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[David O'Day]

Clint called it

they are doing well in the red wall compared to 2018 when the loses and gains will be against

i have already said this

 

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[Grendel]

they are doing well in the red wall compared to 2018 when the loses and gains will be against

i have already said this

Ira o day vs John Curtice. Tough contest

 

[David O'Day]

 

[Philosoraptor]

And as well as the long anticipated Forde Inquiry for Labour coming up between now and the next local elections. I can't see this getting any better for Labour.

I would say currently, the Tories are at the bottom of their cycle. Labour are around the top of theirs.

 

[David O'Day]

As I have grenners on block I can only guess what drivel he is coming up with.

I bet the old soak has already is already half cut and ranting on about Gerry Adams or some such shit.

Get a job Grenners (not that pretend one you made up in Marketing)

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm by no means spinning on behalf of Starmer and all those right wing dullards around him but it could be a blessing in disguise to not be the visible local authority in the 'red wall' over the next few years, given the turbo charged austerity in the face of very high inflation that's due to come.

 

[SBT]

And as well as the long anticipated Forde Inquiry for Labour coming up between now and the next local elections. I can't see this getting any better for Labour.

I would say currently, the Tories are at the bottom of their cycle. Labour are around the top of theirs.

I think if you have a look at the Bank of England's forecasts yesterday you can see that there is an incredible amount of economic pain coming this country's way. Whoever takes the flak for that has a long way to drop yet.

 

[David O'Day]

doing badly everywhere outside london






Curtice is comparing 2018 to 2018 which last night he said that was bad analysis. Oh well I guess everyone needs an angle.

Basically that was ok for Labour, about as expected. It's not go back to your constituencies time but a lot of the rot of 2019 and 2021 has stopped. Just last year they would of lost most of these.

Also a great night for the lib dems and they should really scare the tories as they can beat the tories in places Labour never could even and their Zenith.

 

[shmmeee]

 

[David O'Day]

I'm by no means spinning on behalf of Starmer and all those right wing dullards around him but it could be a blessing in disguise to not be the visible local authority in the 'red wall' over the next few years, given the turbo charged austerity in the face of very high inflation that's due to come.

Yeah it's grim. Dowden was just doubling down on cuts and taxes rises even though he accepts we will see double digit inflation and job loses caused by a recession.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Do you not realise that the shouty pile ons attemping to oppress any views that aren't your own, are in part responsible for the more stubborn to likely to nail their colours to the mast.

Some of the racists rightly excluded from the site, but so little argument from anyone right of centre now on here, that this has become so much an echo chamber now and increasingly futile swimming against the tide.

Fwiw my take on yesterday's polling ... I'd say what's happening after the perceived issues with the government, that the general apathy in voters even now not motivated enough to get out and vote should worry you more than those who did vote Conservative.

Last paragraph I completely agree with and am very sensitive to echo chambers

 

[skybluetony176]

I'm by no means spinning on behalf of Starmer and all those right wing dullards around him but it could be a blessing in disguise to not be the visible local authority in the 'red wall' over the next few years, given the turbo charged austerity in the face of very high inflation that's due to come.

Was thinking the same. Labour took some bashing at the last GE because of perceived failures at local level. Didn’t matter that it was a Tory central government enforcing austerity cuts that Labour councils had to make the tough decisions with. It’s going to be difficult to blame Labour when the local and national government are the people you voted in are the ones making the cuts.

 

[Grendel]

Lol IRA O Day is Starmers spin doctor

 

[Grendel]

As I have grenners on block I can only guess what drivel he is coming up with.

I bet the old soak has already is already half cut and ranting on about Gerry Adams or some such shit.

Get a job Grenners (not that pretend one you made up in Marketing)

IRA and his political acumen defeats John Curtice expect to seem him on election night in two years time

 

[SBT]

How can you both be this hammered this early on a Friday?

 

[Grendel]

doing badly everywhere outside london






Curtice is comparing 2018 to 2018

 

[Liquid Gold]

I didn't have any elections my way this time but if I did I'd have gone green having gone Labour every time since 2015.

I just want them to offer something, not the offer of not being something else. Define what you're going to give the country. They're just so bland and lifeless at the moment. Maybe it's a brilliant strategy to appear calm and confident during this government's madness and will come good when it matters but it really isn't for me.

 

[Northants Sky Blue]

200+ seat loss is win-win:

-Tories will stick with Johnson who come 2024 is an even bigger liability.
-Refocus Labour minds that economy will win GE (windfall tax etc) & ignore laughable culture war goading

Also cant see Tories keeping trousers on to avoid further by-elections, potentially giving Burnham a shot

 

[David O'Day]

200+ seat loss is win-win:

-Tories will stick with Johnson who come 2024 is an even bigger liability.
-Refocus Labour minds that economy will win GE (windfall tax etc) & ignore laughable culture war goading

Also cant see Tories keeping trousers on to avoid further by-elections, potentially giving Burnham a shot

Now now let's not be having sensible comments on here

 

[David O'Day]

NI will be interesting.

Looks like if the polls are anywhere near right SF are going to be the biggest party and O'Neill.

 

[Liquid Gold]

200+ seat loss is win-win:

-Tories will stick with Johnson who come 2024 is an even bigger liability.
-Refocus Labour minds that economy will win GE (windfall tax etc) & ignore laughable culture war goading

Also cant see Tories keeping trousers on to avoid further by-elections, potentially giving Burnham a shot

Bunham is a conundrum to me.

He's about the perfect mix of left and centre and straight talking that you want to see now. I would likely vote for him.

But when he ran in 2015 he was about as bland estate agent suit politician as you can imagine.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I just want them to offer something, not the offer of not being something else. Define what you're going to give the country. They're just so bland and lifeless at the moment. Maybe it's a brilliant strategy to appear calm and confident during this government's madness and will come good when it matters but it really isn't for me.

I think they have been sitting tight to an extent and focussed on coming across as credible and competent, but as I said the other day, this is now the time for policies and ‘what we would do differently’

The suggestion of some sort of windfall tax was a start. People can debate the pros and cons but at least it was an alternative partial solution to a current issue. For starmer to start picking up more support this is what’s needed

I felt it was a fuck up to major on partygate recently unless they’d been whiter than white (which appears not to be the case). If the ‘resign’ calls were after the investigation was completed and numerous fines issued, any minor indiscretions could be ignored/argued against…instead, at least for the time being, they’ll get cries of ‘hypocrite’…strategic error

 

[duffer]

Do you not realise that the shouty pile ons attemping to oppress any views that aren't your own, are in part responsible for the more stubborn to likely to nail their colours to the mast.

Some of the racists rightly excluded from the site, but so little argument from anyone right of centre now on here, that this has become so much an echo chamber now and increasingly futile swimming against the tide.

Fwiw my take on yesterday's polling ... I'd say what's happening after the perceived issues with the government, that the general apathy in voters even now not motivated enough to get out and vote should worry you more than those who did vote Conservative.

Pointing out things like hypocrisy and corruption aren't a shouty pile on.

My take on it is that the reason most average Tory voters are a bit shy about admitting it on open forums is that they can't face genuine debate.

At best they can come up with a few (generally spurious or ad hominem) reasons for not voting Labour, but their reasons for voting Tory are either vague or based on arguments that don't stand up to much scrutiny.

Once exposed, rather than modify their opinion it's easier to shout 'cancel culture' and disappear.

Stubborness is a pretty weak excuse for voting Conservative or indeed for any party, but I'd completely agree that it seems to trump rational analysis for a lot of voters.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Pointing out things like hypocrisy and corruption aren't a shouty pile on.

My take on it is that the reason most average Tory voters are a bit shy about admitting it on open forums is that they can't face genuine debate.

At best they can come up with a few (generally spurious or ad hominem) reasons for not voting Labour, but their reasons for voting Tory are either vague or based on arguments that don't stand up to much scrutiny.

Once exposed, rather than modify their opinion it's easier to shout 'cancel culture' and disappear.

Stubborness is a pretty weak excuse for voting Conservative or indeed for any party, but I'd completely agree that it seems to trump rational analysis for a lot of voters.

It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.

 

[shmmeee]

Choose your fighter:

“Labour lead on vote share in an election for the first time in a decade = Labours back”

“Labour has recovered in red wall compared to 2019 = Labours on the way back”

“Labour has gone slightly back outside London compared to 2018 = Labours in decline”

“Labour haven’t won 800 seats = Labour is fucked”

 

[Liquid Gold]

Choose your fighter:

“Labour lead on vote share in an election for the first time in a decade = Labours back”

“Labour has recovered in red wall compared to 2019 = Labours on the way back”

“Labour has gone slightly back outside London compared to 2017 = Labours in decline”

“Labour haven’t won 800 seats = Labour is fucked”

John Prescott

 

[MusicDating]

It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.

Yup and as long as the Tories can get enough people to think like this, they'll get back in. Other Tory policies are just lip service, these are the voters they're concerned with.

 

[CCFCSteve]

John Prescott

Angela the growler Rayner

 

[Evo1883]

It became fashionable to hate on Labour, I admit I too was caught up I'm it , I suppose it's only when you see the sheer shit hole we now find ourselves heading towards that you realise its a bit more serious than " he's a funny fat twat HAHAHAHHA old Boris me old mukka" and we need real leadership and Compassion in this country not the fucking waster we have now

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.

It isn't even true on its own terms

 

[PVA]

Yup and as long as the Tories can get enough people to think like this, they'll get back in. Other Tory policies are just lip service, these are the voters they're concerned with.

They make people think that they leave them and their family better off because they might save a few quid in tax, but really they're no better off at all because all the public services they rely on and just about everything else is absolutely fucked

'I pay £20 a month less tax under the Tories! Vote Tory!'
'Woah an 18 month wait for my operation'

 

[skybluetony176]

 

[duffer]

It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.

That's entirely possible, but often even that argument doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.

Even if you're voting Tory to pay lower taxes, which of course at the moment we're not, what happens if you fall ill or lose your job?

Overall, what has been the impact of the Conservative government on your real wages (i.e. in comparison to inflation).

How will your kids manage to afford a house, what happens when your mum needs extra care?

There's a ton of real world evidence which suggests that for a large proportion of the country, voting Conservative isn't even best for the entirely selfish.

 

[skybluetony176]

Rumours abound that Boris wants a snap GE this year because things are only going to get worse for the economy.

 

[Sick Boy]

Rumours abound that Boris wants a snap GE this year because things are only going to get worse for the economy.

He can frame it as him against the establishment and the cap doffers will fall for it.