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[Brighton Sky Blue]

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The same police force who did everything it could to not investigate Johnson and the Tories? The same force who wouldn't release details of who'd been fined in case it 'influenced voters'? That's exactly the point - voters should have the information to make an informed decision about who they're voting for. Anf the same force who are now looking into Starmer with seemingly much less to go on than when they steadfastly refused to investigate Johnson? And your worry is that they're Labour!

In fairness part of this comes down to them asking Rees-Mogg for the recommended fine. £50 in his time is a hefty sum.

 

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[shmmeee]

When it comes to council elections the Labour candidates here knock on your door to insult you for not voting for them. Their sales pitch as candidates being ‘I’m a Corbynista’. For the general election, the sitting MP ignores his constituents. His party leader enjoys sneering and general smarminess.

Perhaps it isn’t always about demanding perfection from the party, just for the candidates and figureheads to not be pricks.

How were the Tories?

 

[PVA]

Perhaps it isn’t always about demanding perfection from the party, just for the candidates and figureheads to not be pricks.

That's fair enough, but again, given the courts found the government unlawfully killed thousands of people and funneled billions of pounds into their own pockets, is a slight chuckle while saying the word Coventry really not worth voting Labour for?

 

[shmmeee]

That's fair enough, but again, given the courts found the government unlawfully killed thousands of people and funneled billions of pounds into their own pockets, is a slight chuckle while saying the word Coventry really not worth voting Labour for?

Best keep the Tories, a Labour candidate gave me a funny look. This is exactly what I mean. And people complain about those who choose Boris cos he’s a laugh this is the other side of the same coin.

 

[PVA]

Best keep the Tories, a Labour candidate gave me a funny look. This is exactly what I mean. And people complain about those who choose Boris cos he’s a laugh this is the other side of the same coin.

I agree. I'm with you, it boggles the mind.

 

[CCFCSteve]

She's an absolute embarrassment. Worse than the fawning Dorries who at least is (officially) a tory.

That’s a bit OTT Clint/PVA. It’s not an inaccurate article..Tories done bad…on worse end of scale but probably not enough to get MPs to send in letters. Labour has done well but more to do and the Starmer police investigation has now muddied waters a bit with regard to partygate. Pretty much the same as the rough consensus on here

 

[CCFCSteve]

Unlike this

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's fair enough, but again, given the courts found the government unlawfully killed thousands of people and funneled billions of pounds into their own pockets, is a slight chuckle while saying the word Coventry really not worth voting Labour for?

Is it worth voting for an MP who ignores his constituents and for councillors who berate you on the doorstep? Locally, does that make sense?

 

[SBAndy]

Just for balance.



It's a modern day Greek tragedy all round, to be honest with everyone.

That’s seriously embarrassing. Just highlights how ill-prepared these candidates are for discussion on the doorstep and feeds into BSB’s point. Of course it’s a ‘gotcha’ scenario but think of it as a platform that could actually elevate your stance and profile. Far too many Labour councillors that I’ve encountered lack the necessary people skills for the job.

 

[Grendel]

That’s seriously embarrassing. Just highlights how ill-prepared these candidates are for discussion on the doorstep and feeds into BSB’s point. Of course it’s a ‘gotcha’ scenario but think of it as a platform that could actually elevate your stance and profile. Far too many Labour councillors that I’ve encountered lack the necessary people skills for the job.

You should see a certain labour person and persons partner in the old shepherd it’s like a scene from Benidorm

 

[Sick Boy]

Just for balance.



It's a modern day Greek tragedy all round, to be honest with everyone.

The video is from 7 years ago.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

For the general election, the sitting MP ignores his constituents.

I have to say, in my dealings with him I've found him very good.

 

[Grendel]

The video is from 7 years ago.

nothings improved. Labour councillors I’ve met in Coventry are literally what he is. He could actually be milkman muttonchop

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I have to say, in my dealings with him I've found him very good.

He has ignored all of our correspondence.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

How many people here at a work place have cracked open the beers had a Ruby then “got back to work”?

Several times over the years...team building events. Didn't do it in full lock down in 2020 though! Sep 2020 we sat in office garden socially distanced.
First week in April 2021 things started to relax schools went back after 2nd lockdown and council/public service offices started opening up.
This highlights context of Boris's relentless law breaking and Statmers one rule break.

 

[Grendel]

Several times over the years...team building events. Didn't do it in full lock down in 2020 though! Sep 2020 we sat in office garden socially distanced.
First week in April 2021 things started to relax schools went back after 2nd lockdown and council/public service offices started opening up.
This highlights context of Boris's relentless law breaking and Statmers one rule break.

Wow you admit he broke the law

 

[clint van damme]

That’s a bit OTT Clint/PVA. It’s not an inaccurate article..Tories done bad…on worse end of scale but probably not enough to get MPs to send in letters. Labour has done well but more to do and the Starmer police investigation has now muddied waters a bit with regard to partygate. Pretty much the same as the rough consensus on here

She's literally head of PR for the tories!

 

[skybluetony176]

Wow you admit he broke the law

It was a work event.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Wow you admit he broke the law

Yes Boris did break the law several times when we were restricted to our homes. Genuinely don't know facts about Starmer, but as you know country was starting to get back to normal at that time so a million times less serious if he broke a rule/guidance.

 

[Grendel]

Yes Boris did break the law several times when we were restricted to our homes. Genuinely don't know facts about Starmer, but as you know country was starting to get back to normal at that time so a million times less serious if he broke a rule/guidance.

You said Starmers one rule break?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

She's an absolute embarrassment. Worse than the fawning Dorries who at least is (officially) a tory.

The sooner her and Clare Balding are exiled the better.

 

[duffer]

Got several “left wing” people in this thread doing it. It’s not right wing media, both sides expect Labour to be perfect to be worth voting for.

Tories are the default and Labour have to be everything to everyone to be worth a shot.

I'm left-wing, without a doubt. At least these days.

(Technically I'm actually left of centre, but politics has shifted so far to the right these days that people think I believe in a five year plan for Tractors, comrade!)

Anyhow, there's no misinformation here. Starmer deserves to be properly investigated in the same way that Boris should be. If he's found to be innocent fair enough. Is there anything misleading about that?

 

[shmmeee]

I'm left-wing, without a doubt. At least these days.

(Technically I'm actually left of centre, but politics has shifted so far to the right these days that people think I believe in a five year plan for Tractors, comrade!)

Anyhow, there's no misinformation here. Starmer deserves to be properly investigated in the same way that Boris should be. If he's found to be innocent fair enough. Is there anything misleading about that?

I wasn’t saying the Starmer thing is misinfo, obviously if he gets an FPN he needs to resign based purely on his own stance so far. From what I’ve seen I doubt he will get fined, so he should say now he would resign as a show of standards.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Calls for him to resign if fined.

New questions over Starmer event after memo leaked

Police are probing whether the Labour leader broke Covid rules at an MP's office in Durham in 2021.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Northants Sky Blue]

A 500 seat humping and that's the headline.
Shame he's probably finished - another 6 months he could put a 30% ceiling on the Tories and ruin them

 

[oakey]

Politics is in a very strange place.
The future of our government is in the hands of
- how 2 police forces apply the Covid laws
- how the tabloid hacks report and spin their decisions
- how much attention the electorate pay to the findings and tabloid spin
- how our politicians respond to all the above.
That's too many spinning plates for me to have any clue to how this will all play out.
I can't remember a time in which there was so little faith in our system being able to see us through.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A 500 seat humping and that's the headline.
Shame he's probably finished - another 6 months he could put a 30% ceiling on the Tories and ruin them

'Working Royals only'

Those banquets won't eat themselves folks

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Politics is in a very strange place.
The future of our government is in the hands of
- how 2 police forces apply the Covid laws
- how the tabloid hacks report and spin their decisions
- how much attention the electorate pay to the findings and tabloid spin
- how our politicians respond to all the above.
That's too many spinning plates for me to have any clue to how this will all play out.
I can't remember a time in which there was so little faith in our system being able to see us through.

Would labour benefit from starmer standing down if he gets a fpn??

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Would labour benefit from starmer standing down if he gets a fpn??

I don't think so-nobody obvious to replace him. Though as crude as it sounds the party could do with a leader from outside London

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

When it comes to council elections the Labour candidates here knock on your door to insult you for not voting for them. Their sales pitch as candidates being ‘I’m a Corbynista’. For the general election, the sitting MP ignores his constituents. His party leader enjoys sneering and general smarminess.

Perhaps it isn’t always about demanding perfection from the party, just for the candidates and figureheads to not be pricks.

While your grievances are well worth noting, I would say that the final sentence applies just as much to Tories. So why are they not held to the same standards?

It's like people expect Tories to be bastards so more readily excuse them for shitty and condescending behaviour. Blue rosette and posh accent gets far more leeway.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I don't think so-nobody obvious to replace him. Though as crude as it sounds the party could do with a leader from outside London

But if he didn't stand down you know he and the party would face much heavier criticism than Johnson, even though he's PM and his offences were worse and more numerous.

He would have to set a precedent for showing up Johnson and therefore would have to fall on his sword to prevent the party being dragged down and show Johnson up. Though it'd probably be spun as being a weak leader. Damned if he does...

 

[CCFCSteve]

Politics is in a very strange place.
The future of our government is in the hands of
- how 2 police forces apply the Covid laws
- how the tabloid hacks report and spin their decisions
- how much attention the electorate pay to the findings and tabloid spin
- how our politicians respond to all the above.
That's too many spinning plates for me to have any clue to how this will all play out.
I can't remember a time in which there was so little faith in our system being able to see us through.

Crazy times. I still have faith (blind ) in the long term but both sides, left and right, have almost encouraged this by focusing more on populist issues/arguments in recent times rather than just getting on and doing a good job for the country, whether that’s in office or in opposition

I’m a simple man and just want good, credible policies and decent quality MPs to deliver them…surely that’s not too much to ask ?!

I haven’t seen much from either in recent years….bit depressing really…but times change so hopefully things will get better

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Crazy times. I still have faith (blind ) in the long term but both sides, left and right, have almost encouraged this by focusing more on populist issues/arguments in recent times rather than just getting on and doing a good job for the country, whether that’s in office or in opposition

I’m a simple man and just want good, credible policies and decent quality MPs to deliver them…surely that’s not too much to ask ?!

I haven’t seen much from either in recent years….bit depressing really…but times change so hopefully things will get better

Media is poisonous. Good honourable people don’t make it into the papers so we are not aware of them and everyone believers that they are all as bad as each other.

 

[David O'Day]

so the big gotcha is they planned a break time

even really thick people people like grenners must see how desperate this is

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

so the big gotcha is they planned a break time

even really thick people people like grenners must see how desperate this is

It’s just awful but humans are so malleable. My lads paper round is 90% daily mail. It’s like injecting lie serum into a whole community