Do you want to discuss boring politics? (13 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If that’s the game, that’s the game. Not sure it is though.

Election campaigns are about getting a message through to people who are only half listening. How they come across to political obsessives and how they come across to the average voter are two very different things.

It very much looks like it is. Each time the Conservatives' job is to convince people to vote against their own self interest, and they've turned it into an art.

 

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[shmmeee]

It very much looks like it is. Each time the Conservatives' job is to convince people to vote against their own self interest, and they've turned it into an art.

Theyre just better at electoral politics. You can whine about the world or you can use it to your advantage. What you aren’t going to do is change the way it works.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Theyre just better at electoral politics. You can whine about the world or you can use it to your advantage. What you aren’t going to do is change the way it works.

Nah. I can move somewhere less stupid.

 

[shmmeee]

Nah. I can move somewhere less stupid.

Good luck. From what I’ve seen you haven’t got many choices.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Good luck. From what I’ve seen you haven’t got many choices.

Scandinavia and Central Europe look decent options. Or more realistically when Scotland go independent and the SNP dissolves itself.

Better those than a permanent Tory rump where the biggest charlatan wins

 

[shmmeee]

Scandinavia and Central Europe look decent options. Or more realistically when Scotland go independent and the SNP dissolves itself.

Better those than a permanent Tory rump where the biggest charlatan wins

TBF I think anywhere with PR instead of FPTP does better at sensible government on the whole.

I know my missus has an many complaints about Dutch politics as we do here. Racists, shitty government, etc. The French seem to be worse. Do like Scandinavia though. Pricey mind.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

TBF I think anywhere with PR instead of FPTP does better at sensible government on the whole.

I know my missus has an many complaints about Dutch politics as we do here. Racists, shitty government, etc. The French seem to be worse. Do like Scandinavia though. Pricey mind.

Maybe in the moderate term future there’ll be the choice of progressive governments in Scotland or a united Ireland to move to while Conservatopia cracks on here.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

One of these days G will offer more than as a rebuttal

 

[Grendel]

One of these days G will offer more than as a rebuttal

Well you aren’t really moving anywhere - other than pretend you are on a keyboard - I doubt Denmark would interest you as we’ve modelled our immigration policy on theirs

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Our Prime Minister, the man who runs our country, actually said this:

"My experience of working from home is you spend an awful lot of time making another cup of coffee and then, you know, getting up, walking very slowly to the fridge, hacking off a small piece of cheese, then walking very slowly back to your laptop and then forgetting what it was you’re doing."



At least he's finally admitted what we all knew - that he's a lazy, workshy prick.

But imagine actually telling the whole country this is how he works while insulting those who work (hard) from home.

There's a couple of bits of that quote that I just can't imagine being right. He would get someone else to make the coffee and bring him the cheese.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well you aren’t really moving anywhere - other than pretend you are on a keyboard - I doubt Denmark would interest you as we’ve modelled our immigration policy on theirs

Which is why I’ve always said ‘if it was up to me’. Though I suspect with a first class Masters in a physical science plus a teaching qualification there are options.

Besides a favourite of the right is ‘well leave if you don’t like it’. Perhaps some of the few left wing havens in England will have to do.

 

[Grendel]

Which is why I’ve always said ‘if it was up to me’. Though I suspect with a first class Masters in a physical science plus a teaching qualification there are options.

Besides a favourite of the right is ‘well leave if you don’t like it’. Perhaps some of the few left wing havens in England will have to do.

Well find a utopia then rather than moan on a football forum

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Nor mine, no mention of a daytime wank or popping on SBT (not at the same time you’ll be pleased to hear)

So THAT'S what WFH stands for!

 

[AOM]

 

[BodicoteSkyBlue]

Funnily enough, thats not my experience of working from home.



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My wife works from home & I can say she works way harder than when in the office.
I regularly tell her off for not taking lunch breaks ect.

 

[Sick Boy]

My wife works from home & I can say she works way harder than when in the office.
I regularly tell her off for not taking lunch breaks ect.

I worked from home for 18 hours yesterday and didn't eat a single piece of cheese.

 

[Grendel]

My wife works from home & I can say she works way harder than when in the office.
I regularly tell her off for not taking lunch breaks ect.

then she should be demanding to go back to the office for an easier life

 

[Grendel]

I worked from home for 18 hours yesterday and didn't eat a single piece of cheese.

Mmmm you are self employed

 

[Sick Boy]

Mmmm you are self employed

I don't see the difference? I have the temptation of making coffee and hacking off pieces of cheese that I wouldn't have if I hired an office.

 

[Grendel]

I don't see the difference? I have the temptation of making coffee and hacking off pieces of cheese that I wouldn't have if I hired an office.

Theres a huge difference - I worked from home for 14 years and yeah it’s a piece of piss

His comments really are looking at the middle class haves and the working class have nots. The white collar chaps have the benefits of Wfh - and there are huge benefits - and the oiks (who you’d assume are labour voters) have to trudge in every day while office boy crawls Out of bed to start his day - it’s an obvious class divide statement and whose on the side of working classes? It’s a bit crass but the messaging is obvious

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well find a utopia then rather than moan on a football forum

Erm it’s off topic

 

[BodicoteSkyBlue]

then she should be demanding to go back to the office for an easier life

To be fair if she was to work in the office it would be in Truro. That’s a hell of a commute!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Theres a huge difference - I worked from home for 14 years and yeah it’s a piece of piss

His comments really are looking at the middle class haves and the working class have nots. The white collar chaps have the benefits of Wfh - and there are huge benefits - and the oiks (who you’d assume are labour voters) have to trudge in every day while office boy crawls Out of bed to start his day - it’s an obvious class divide statement and whose on the side of working classes? It’s a bit crass but the messaging is obvious

yep you’ve convinced me Boris fuckin johnson the Etonian shagger is in it to improve the lives of the working class give the head a wobble matey

 

[stupot07]

Theres a huge difference - I worked from home for 14 years and yeah it’s a piece of piss

His comments really are looking at the middle class haves and the working class have nots. The white collar chaps have the benefits of Wfh - and there are huge benefits - and the oiks (who you’d assume are labour voters) have to trudge in every day while office boy crawls Out of bed to start his day - it’s an obvious class divide statement and whose on the side of working classes? It’s a bit crass but the messaging is obvious

The class issue is bollocks.
Pilots,
Judges
Barristers
Solicitors
GPs
Police detectives
Surgeons,
Stoke brokers in the City
Teachers
University lecturers
Scientists
Surveyors
Etc, all have to go into the work place to do their job

Its solely about, do you work in an office and if you could do that work at home. A bin man for example, really doesn't give a shit if I work from home or not.


Johnson is worried about his friends real estates, as companies rationalise their office space and start to lease less office space.

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[Grendel]

The class issue is bollocks.
Pilots,
Judges
Solicitors
GPs
Police detectives
Surgeons,
Stoke brokers in the City
Teachers
University lecturers
Scientists
Etc, all have to go into the work place to do their job

Its solely about, do you work in an office and if you could do that work at home. A bin man for example, really doesn't give a shit if I work from home or not.


Johnson is worried about his friends real estates, as companies rationalise their office space and start to lease less office space.

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ok if that’s what you think let’s see how it plays out

 

[stupot07]

ok if that’s what you think let’s see how it plays out

It's the way it is, but Johnson and the daily mail will spin it as a class war. They thrive on divide and rule.

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[PVA]

Theres a huge difference - I worked from home for 14 years and yeah it’s a piece of piss

His comments really are looking at the middle class haves and the working class have nots. The white collar chaps have the benefits of Wfh - and there are huge benefits - and the oiks (who you’d assume are labour voters) have to trudge in every day while office boy crawls Out of bed to start his day - it’s an obvious class divide statement and whose on the side of working classes? It’s a bit crass but the messaging is obvious

What absolute fucking rubbish and why am I not surprised you are against WFH. God forbid anyone has nice things that make their life easier. Typical tory.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If that’s the game, that’s the game. Not sure it is though.

Election campaigns are about getting a message through to people who are only half listening. How they come across to political obsessives and how they come across to the average voter are two very different things.

Yeah, Blair's tough on crime, touch on the causes of crime. Even Corbyn's 2017 For the Many, Not the Few.

2019 was a muddle for Labour.

 

[Grendel]

What absolute fucking rubbish and why am I not surprised you are against WFH. God forbid anyone has nice things that make their life easier. Typical tory.

Nice things that make middle class peoples lives easier where’s factory worker has to slog to work as he’s a bit thick . Trap set fell into

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Nice things that make middle class peoples lives easier. Trap set fell into

Made teaching a living hell but yes crack on

 

[Grendel]

Made teaching a living hell but yes crack on

Many teachers I know liked it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Talking of WFH, I was speaking to a young lad who works at one of the big legal practices yesterday. He said his department operates on Tuesday and Thursdays everyone in, flexible for rest of week however, they encourage the team to be in as much as possible. A sensible policy and fair play, I asked how much he goes in, expecting him to say maybe another day a week but he said pretty much every day as that’s where he learns most/gets more done

Surely stuff like this is just common sense. Some people are more productive in the office, some at home, some roles need/benefit from wider team interaction, some don’t. I’d probably add that if an individuals productivity is lower WFH then flexible working privileges for them should be dropped.

This is so obvious it amazes me there are even debates. Surely true flexible working is flexibility to be in, or out of an office?

 

[PVA]

Nice things that make middle class peoples lives easier where’s factory worker has to slog to work as he’s a bit thick . Trap set fell into

It's not a class thing.

And so everyone has to have things as difficult as possible? No one is allowed to do something which may make their life easier?

As I said, typical fucking Tory. Make life as difficult as possible for everyone.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Many teachers I know liked it?

I assume the ones you know are in senior management-in fact they are as you said so previously.

For me it was being on a screen making lessons, delivering them or marking for 12+ hours a day. Plus I teach a practical subject-it's not possible to do so remotely for months

 

[Grendel]

It's not a class thing.

And so everyone has to have things as difficult as possible? No one is allowed to do something which may make their life easier?

As I said, typical fucking Tory. Make life as difficult as possible for everyone.

how can a factory worker make life easier while his white collar worker in the same business can by staying at home?

How will your oh so precious labour party address that?