The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (80 Viewers)

[CCFCSteve]

The Tories have announced a bill basically scraps the protocol and the EU have said they still want to talk as they think they can sort it out and keep the protocol.

It's not posturing on both sides.

I was responding to the threat of the trade war. The legislation is due to take weeks, I’d be shocked if negotiations don’t continue in the background

 

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[CCFCSteve]

The DUP don't care about the economy and the implications for the people of NI.
Their refusal to form an executive means money ring fenced for cutting NHS waiting lists can't be allocated. When parties involved are that entrenched give and take is very difficult.

Yeah, not sure how to deal with the DUP in all this

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah, not sure how to deal with the DUP in all this

They lost, get over it?

 

[CCFCSteve]

They lost, get over it?

Could try that approach I suppose !

As they turned down Mays deal and are now rejecting the protocol I can’t see what solution would ever work for them. let’s hope a sensible compromise might be enough to at least get them back to Stormont though

 

[skybluetony176]

The DUP don't care about the economy and the implications for the people of NI.
Their refusal to form an executive means money ring fenced for cutting NHS waiting lists can't be allocated. When parties involved are that entrenched give and take is very difficult.

I can’t help but think that the DUP are secretly delighted about this issue otherwise they’d have had to have found a less believable reason to not go into power sharing with Sinn Fein sitting in the top seat.

 

[clint van damme]

I can’t help but think that the DUP are secretly delighted about this issue otherwise they’d have had to have found a less believable reason to not go into power sharing with Sinn Fein sitting in the top seat.

You may well be right. If they think this is the way to save the union I think they might be in for a shock.

 

[Sick Boy]

Posturing on both sides. Neither side wants the protocol to be totally scrapped (well, apart from DUP maybe) or needs a trade war, especially at the moment with the war, out of control inflation and potential recession

A trade war is going to hit the UK much harder than the EU.

 

[clint van damme]

A trade war is going to hit the UK much harder than the EU.

No mate, we hold all the cards. They need access to our market of 55 million people more than we need access to theirs of 450 million people.

Cheaper food, cheaper fuel, higher wages and mega trade deals all on their way!

 

[skybluetony176]

No mate, we hold all the cards. They need access to our market of 55 million people more than we need access to theirs of 450 million people.

Cheaper food, cheaper fuel, higher wages and mega trade deals all on their way!

I’m starting to think that BMW aren’t coming to our rescue. It’s almost as if they’ve got bigger fish to fry.

 

[Frostie]

I’m starting to think that BMW aren’t coming to our rescue. It’s almost as if they’ve got bigger fish to fry.

Yeah but our fish are happier now.

 

[CCFCSteve]

A trade war is going to hit the UK much harder than the EU.

As I said, I don’t think it would be in anyones interests to have a trade war especially at the current time. The U.K. and a number of EU countries might well be in recession by the end of this year/early next and additional tariffs on goods is not going to help consumers with inflation/cost of living crisis

 

[clint van damme]

As I said, I don’t think it would be in anyones interests to have a trade war especially at the current time. The U.K. and a number of EU countries might well be in recession by the end of this year/early next and additional tariffs on goods is not going to help consumers with inflation/cost of living crisis

The tories tonight voted unanimously against a windfall tax on oil and gas companies. They don't care what hardship befalls the man in the street.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As I said, I don’t think it would be in anyones interests to have a trade war especially at the current time. The U.K. and a number of EU countries might well be in recession by the end of this year/early next and additional tariffs on goods is not going to help consumers with inflation/cost of living crisis

Perhaps we should be asking those who will be fine whatever happens to pay some more while asking less of those who have no room for manoeuvre with VAT drops and higher minimum wages

 

[stupot07]

The tories tonight voted unanimously against a windfall tax on oil and gas companies. They don't care what hardship befalls the man in the street.

They will U-Turn on the windfall tax within the next 3-6 months and claim it was their idea all along.

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[stupot07]

As I said, I don’t think it would be in anyones interests to have a trade war especially at the current time. The U.K. and a number of EU countries might well be in recession by the end of this year/early next and additional tariffs on goods is not going to help consumers with inflation/cost of living crisis

Its not, but then again for the sake of keeping the union together the EU will need to take a hard line and stand firm to their core principles. If they roll over for the UK, then other countries might start thinking the grass is greener, its in their interests to me leaving as difficult as possible. The really difficulty is the UK wants to have its cake and eat it, and they knew full well what a huge issue NI was.

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[robbiekeane]

I still have random moments where I genuinely cannot believe we actually voted to leave the EU.

Absolutely unforgiveable of David Cameron to even give our idiot population the decision

 

[CCFCSteve]

The tories tonight voted unanimously against a windfall tax on oil and gas companies. They don't care what hardship befalls the man in the street.

Bizarre position to take in the current climate. They know the additional profiteering* that’s going on and I’d imagine a large number of them actually agree with the policy, yet voted against it because it was raised by Labour.

*I don’t mind companies generating extra profits but as I mentioned the other day I understand a lot of petrol companies are doubling the usual profit per litre at the moment. It’s like there is a cartel with price fixing going on and it’s making an already bad problem even worse.

 

[skybluetony176]

Bizarre position to take in the current climate. They know the additional profiteering* that’s going on and I’d imagine a large number of them actually agree with the policy, yet voted against it because it was raised by Labour.

*I don’t mind companies generating extra profits but as I mentioned the other day I understand a lot of petrol companies are doubling the usual profit per litre at the moment. It’s like there is a cartel with price fixing going on and it’s making an already bad problem even worse.

It’s even more bizarre when the head of BP has publicly dismissed the Tories “reasoning” for not doing it.

 

[CCFCSteve]

It’s even more bizarre when the head of BP has publicly dismissed the Tories “reasoning” for not doing it.

I heard. I still think/hope it will come in some form

Edit - I think BP said their short term/10 year low carbon investment plans wouldn’t change with a windfall tax. I’d imagine that everyone wants these ramped up even further though. If they did then at least there’d be some kind of argument for no windfall tax but I don’t think they’ve change their position so may as well introduce the tax. Not sure about Shell

 

[skybluetony176]

I heard. I still think/hope it will come in some form

Edit - I think BP said their short term/10 year low carbon investment plans wouldn’t change with a windfall tax. I’d imagine that everyone wants these ramped up even further though. If they did then at least there’d be some kind of argument for no windfall tax but I don’t think they’ve change their position so may as well introduce the tax. Not sure about Shell

It’s a one off windfall tax. BP aren’t going to change their next ten years investment plan in ten years time based on a one off event ten years prior. In fact I doubt anything is going to stop BP’s low carbon investment plan simply because fossil fuel technology is a dying technology and I would think that BP understand that if they don’t invest in low carbon technology the gig is up for them. So whichever way the government sells it it’s a cop out. The only concern that the government can possibly have wether they admit it or not is they don’t want to take a course of action that’s going to effect dividends payouts. There’s no other possible reason in reality.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Bizarre position to take in the current climate. They know the additional profiteering* that’s going on and I’d imagine a large number of them actually agree with the policy, yet voted against it because it was raised by Labour.

*I don’t mind companies generating extra profits but as I mentioned the other day I understand a lot of petrol companies are doubling the usual profit per litre at the moment. It’s like there is a cartel with price fixing going on and it’s making an already bad problem even worse.

The way the companiees go about profiting from price rises is totally unacceptable. Whenever the unit price increases they add that amount onto the price at the pump immediately, just when the price goes down they only put the price down by a fraction of the price decrease. Thereby everytime the price goes up they end up making more money, so they secretly love it when the price goes up.

Like you say it's like a cartel.

 

[skybluetony176]

What’s that saying about rats and ships?

Stanley Johnson becomes French to keep link with EU

Stanley Johnson - an ex-European Parliament member - says becoming French is "precious" to him.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[skybluetony176]

WE KNOW WHAT WE VOTED FOR!

Brexit poll: Staggering results show 94% of readers feel let down by Brexit promises | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

BREXIT promises have not been delivered, according to a new poll of Express.co.uk readers.

www.express.co.uk

Funny how it’s turning into the shit fest everyone you shouted this at warned you it would be. 94% of Express readers didn’t know what they voted for.

 

[chiefdave]

WE KNOW WHAT WE VOTED FOR!

Brexit poll: Staggering results show 94% of readers feel let down by Brexit promises | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

BREXIT promises have not been delivered, according to a new poll of Express.co.uk readers.

www.express.co.uk

Funny how it’s turning into the shit fest everyone you shouted this at warned you it would be. 94% of Express readers didn’t know what they voted for.

This comment pretty much sums it up, "No, we definitely haven’t got the Brexit we voted for and were promised. But I’d still vote Leave again and again and again."

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Thank you Mark for removing the vile racist posts by ADM. Even sadder that he thinks racist comments about someone who isn't even involved in the conversation are ok.

Anyone defended the posts is basically a racist as well.

What a squealing whimp you are, IRA boy. And to warn others off as well is hilarious.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not immediate family killed but my family has been targeted by the IRA on more than one occasion. You would struggle to find anyone in my family that would use that term. It’s as horrible as it gets.

I too had some distant (Catholic) family member targeted by the IRA in the 70s

 

[skybluetony176]

I too had some distant (Catholic) family member targeted by the IRA in the 70s

Nothing in the 70’s My great grandfather was kidnapped by the local militia of the original IRA back in the 1920’s IIRC. The legend is he was the local pubs best customer and the landlord who was an active IRA member negotiated the safe release of his best customer. My great grandfather was a prominent local Protestant businessman and had served in the Inneskilling Fusilier’s which made him a target for both reasons. Had an uncle and aunt who were serving RUC officers targeted in the 80’s my uncle lucky to escape with his life. My aunt lost her house, they set it on fire then phoned a coding bomb warning through closing the road and the house burned to the ground while the fire brigade waited on bomb disposal. There never was a bomb and the guy who committed the attack is actually now related to my family, one of my cousins married his daughter. An uncle fled to England after receiving several warnings, he was a UDR man and finally a plot was foiled against a cousin who was a UDR man when a catholic neighbour tipped of my aunt about the plot. He was connected indirectly to the IRA and a close family friend and couldn’t standby and watch a young man he’d known from birth be mudered, made life very difficult for him in the local catholic community for a good while. Still wouldn’t use the word Taig thinking I’m being clever though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What a squealing whimp you are, IRA boy. And to warn others off as well is hilarious.

Someone’s been a naughty bhoy.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Someone’s been a naughty bhoy.

Hope the teaching is better now. Genuinely.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hope the teaching is better now. Genuinely.

Thanks for asking, it’s better now we’re back in the classroom proper but there have been some distressing things to deal with on other colleagues’ behalf. Agreeing to be the union rep may not have been the wisest in that respect.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Thanks for asking, it’s better now we’re back in the classroom proper but there have been some distressing things to deal with on other colleagues’ behalf. Agreeing to be the union rep may not have been the wisest in that respect.

Lockdown has made things bloody difficult for kids and teachers all round. Union rep may be okay in the long run if you take to it. Give it time.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Lockdown has made things bloody difficult for kids and teachers all round. Union rep may be okay in the long run if you take to it. Give it time.

It’s very interesting dealing with senior management face to face and getting things changed for the better. The flip side has been a number of messy and sad disciplinary cases which to me appear as older teachers being forced out the school. Some are now facing being struck off afterwards.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s very interesting dealing with senior management face to face and getting things changed for the better. The flip side has been a number of messy and sad disciplinary cases which to me appear as older teachers being forced out the school. Some are now facing being struck off afterwards.

It probably appears like that as that’s exactly what’s happening

 

[chiefdave]

Who had earthquake disaster relief charity being drafted in to support stranded lorry drivers on their Brexit bingo card

Disaster charity drafted in to rescue lorry drivers stuck in post-Brexit queues

RE:ACT Disaster Response has agreed a £180,000 six-month contract with Kent County Council to ease stuck truckers’ nightmare waits to board ferries and Eurotunnel shuttles

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[skybluetony176]

Who had earthquake disaster relief charity being drafted in to support stranded lorry drivers on their Brexit bingo card

Disaster charity drafted in to rescue lorry drivers stuck in post-Brexit queues

RE:ACT Disaster Response has agreed a £180,000 six-month contract with Kent County Council to ease stuck truckers’ nightmare waits to board ferries and Eurotunnel shuttles

www.mirror.co.uk

Don’t think even project fear had that one. Always said it was optimistic.