Transfer Shouts (51 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

This is it for me. I don't have the energy to get all upset every time we miss out on a player or we haven't signed one after three days of the transfer window being open (not accusing you by the way). Every year the same stuff comes out. It's mad how short everyone's memory is. I'd hope we can be a little more patient and less emotive. SBB obviously has an insider at the club, or works there himself. He's provided great information countless times, as has Better Days. But, he isn't going to have the definitive inside track on what we will be spending this summer. It could be spot on and we have to manage our budget, or it could be we are keeping our cards close to our chest and may have more to play with than has been leaked.

I must admit, my expectations are probably much lower than a lot of people on here. I never thought we were going to go out and replace Josh Pask, Jordan Shipley and Jodi Jones with proven Championship players. It's just unrealistic. Continual improvement and marginal gains. A few signings a season that improve on the season before and we build that way. I also don't expect us to be in the playoffs next season. It will be wonderful if we are. It's such an enjoyable time to be a CCFC fan, I think we sometimes get carried away and that we absolutely have to keep on improving every single season. Of course, we all want that, but football doesn't work that way. I trust that Robins and his team know where they will improve within the means given to them, and come July 30th we will all be sat at a ground very much looking forward to the roller coaster of emotions in the 9 months that lay ahead.

All fair points, I guess my anxiety stems from how long will Robins sit around and play the slow build game before he gets tired of it and goes somewhere with an average budget? And when that happens what happens to us as a club?

i want to see us stable in this division without the crutch of an exceptional manager really. So talk that we can’t increase our budget from here regardless of ticket sales, so we’re just banking on the FisherCoin or whatever to provide a competitive squad.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

It’s not that we haven’t signed anyone. It’s rumours that all we’ve got is frees, loans, and wages we can free up.

Fine if we can shed £50k by getting rid of Waghorn, Kelly and Walker as suggested, but that’s a hell of a long shot, more likely we get half or less gone on a loan deal. Same with replacing Hamer or whoever, if we’ve just got their wages we aren’t likely to be able to do more than replace them and maybe take a gamble on one other.

And if that is all we have dropping £10k+ on a player who has serious question marks and has never nailed down a place at this level is questionable sense.

I'll be disappointed if we don't spend any money on transfer fees if we've sold a lot on transfer fees... although it would depend on who the replacements are - and they don't necessarily have to be in the same position either. loan replacement for Gyokeres would be... underwhelming for sure. But then if we spent money on a centre back, I could luve with that a bit easier.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Off the pitch maybe but he doesn't really offer a great deal on it. Kelly is very much a L1 player and that was shown even when he was starting games during the season 20/21 season.

A bit of rewriting history going on here. Kelly was hugely influential in our staying up in that first season back in the Championship. If you couldn’t see that with the performances he put out, then look at the stats. The points per game won when Kelly played that season were far greater than those gained in matches where he didn’t play. He put in a phenomenal performance in the pivotal match of that season, the away game at Rotherham and was, I feel, the major influence in the upturn in both performance and results at the end of that campaign.

To say he was only ever a League One player flies in the face of facts and of his performances. (It also ignores his signing by and season with Bristol City in the Championship, only ended through serious injury). You also ignore the fact that Robins picked him almost every time he was available that season. If there is one thing that MR has demonstrated time and again in his spell here it is that he doesn’t do sympathy. If you don’t perform, or show the potential to perform, you are out. Past performances certainly won’t keep you at the club going forward.

I think it was significant that Kelly was straight back in the squad as soon as he was fit at the end of last season, and also straight onto the pitch. He also played well in those games and certainly didn’t look out of his depth. Now it may well be that he will be down the pecking order going forward and that Sheaf or even Eccles are ahead of him. Inevitably there will be injuries and we will need to bring on more than adequate replacements. In my view Kelly certainly fits that bill.

I think the most disappointing think about comments like yours are that it appears that in your desire to show the breadth of your footballing knowledge, you are happy to unfairly wipe out the achievements and ability of a player who has been instrumental in our rise through the leagues and who is obviously rated by the most important people, the management team at the club.

 

[Grendel]

I think the close season before our Cup win, Sillett brought in Houchen from Scunthorpe, Painter from Stoke and perhaps Culpin from Nuneaton. Not a stellar ‘window’ (there were no ‘windows’ at that stage), and had there been social media back then, no doubt some would have been calling for Sillett to go.
The only slight disappointment so far is that we may have missed out on JCS, who was okay last season but was a bit injury prone and who wasn’t a real game changer. I’d have been happy if he signed, but not too bothered he hasn’t.

Culpin was before that

Nick Pickering and Dean Emerson?

 

[shmmeee]

I'll be disappointed if we don't spend any money on transfer fees if we've sold a lot on transfer fees... although it would depend on who the replacements are - and they don't necessarily have to be in the same position either. loan replacement for Gyokeres would be... underwhelming for sure. But then if we spent money on a centre back, I could luve with that a bit easier.

For me it has to be minimum one out two of similar quality or rather potential in.

If we’re going two signings, two loans at LCB, LWB, AM, ST that leaves us with holes at CM, CB and maybe AM that need filling. If we sell say Hamer and bring in a CM and a CB then fair enough.

I think really we should sell Hamer and O’Hare now, we aren’t going to be able to offer either improved terms again next season, so their value will only decrease. Györkeres and maybe Sheaf will want a new deal by the end of this season and hopefully we’ll have the next Hamer and O’Hare plus one or two more in other positions.

As far as there’s any model, that’s got to be it: bring them in young, second season offer them a deal if they merit it, then sell before end of third season. Rinse, repeat. Ideally have two or three in each “year”. We could argue the third here is Walker, who didn’t work out and we’ll hope to recoup something on this summer. Next year we’ve got Sheaf and Györkeres up, the year after whoever we sign this summer. If we sell Hamer and O’Hare that could be four high potential players for that year group. Now we can afford 1-2 misses and stay at replenishment rate.

That gives you 8-12 young high potential players and another 8-12 older or cheaper or academy players to fill things out, add continuity and experience, and maybe get the odd gem surprise you.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

A bit of rewriting history going on here. Kelly was hugely influential in our staying up in that first season back in the Championship. If you couldn’t see that with the performances he put out, then look at the stats. The points per game won when Kelly played that season were far greater than those gained in matches where he didn’t play. He put in a phenomenal performance in the pivotal match of that season, the away game at Rotherham and was, I feel, the major influence in the upturn in both performance and results at the end of that campaign.

To say he was only ever a League One player flies in the face of facts and of his performances. (It also ignores his signing by and season with Bristol City in the Championship, only ended through serious injury). You also ignore the fact that Robins picked him almost every time he was available that season. If there is one thing that MR has demonstrated time and again in his spell here it is that he doesn’t do sympathy. If you don’t perform, or show the potential to perform, you are out. Past performances certainly won’t keep you at the club going forward.

I think it was significant that Kelly was straight back in the squad as soon as he was fit at the end of last season, and also straight onto the pitch. He also played well in those games and certainly didn’t look out of his depth. Now it may well be that he will be down the pecking order going forward and that Sheaf or even Eccles are ahead of him. Inevitably there will be injuries and we will need to bring on more than adequate replacements. In my view Kelly certainly fits that bill.

I think the most disappointing think about comments like yours are that it appears that in your desire to show the breadth of your footballing knowledge, you are happy to unfairly wipe out the achievements and ability of a player who has been instrumental in our rise through the leagues and who is obviously rated by the most important people, the management team at the club.

I haven't wiped his achievements though really have I? I've said he's been an important part in our journey since he's been with us. But we've clearly outgrown him as a club - and now due to his position in the squad, worsening injury struggles and overall ability comparative to his team mates within his position, his wages are completely unjustified.

I think you're massively overstating his performances. He came straight back into the side because Robins felt more experience was needed in that position, over perhaps Sheaf who showed quality at times but was clearly very raw during his first season with us.

 

[Saddlebrains]

The loans coming in when we can sack waghorn and walker off

Seperate to anything that happens with Gyopk

Think hes got his wires crossed

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

The loans coming in when we can sack waghorn and walker off

Seperate to anything that happens with Gyopk

Think hes got his wires crossed

It certainly backs up what believer has been saying that we won’t be spending much

 

[Saddlebrains]

It certainly backs up what believer has been saying that we won’t be spending much

Yep, I'm just repeating what believer has said as hes 90% of the time dead on, But some people here and on socials are having a fucking meltdown.

Been common knowledge for weeks on here from Believer a loan ST is coming in when one of waghorn/walker go

Nixons got that info too, and decided its Gyoks replacement, conveniently forgetting that the loan info has been there wayyy before any interest in Gyok

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

The loans coming in when we can sack waghorn and walker off

Seperate to anything that happens with Gyopk

Think hes got his wires crossed

Potentially. A sale may be needed in order to finance Plange coming in but that might not necessarily equate to him being a direct replacement for Gyokeres.

But on the flip side of that, Palace wouldn't be sending Plange here unless there was a promise of consistent game time.

 

[Grendel]

Yep, I'm just repeating what believer has said as hes 90% of the time dead on, But some people here and on socials are having a fucking meltdown.

Been common knowledge for weeks on here from Believer a loan ST is coming in when one of waghorn/walker go

Nixons got that info too, and decided its Gyoks replacement, conveniently forgetting that the loan info has been there wayyy before any interest in Gyok

He’s also said at least one of the big transfer fee players will be sold to fund the salaries and we won’t be spending any of that on transfer fees

 

[Saddlebrains]

I'm currently arguing with him on Twitter

He seems to think hes the one that broke the Loan striker news, when Believer told us here on May 6th

Which, also conveniently ties himself up in knots by saying the loan is a replacement for Gyok, but how can he be when the loan striker was already said to us as being close a month before any Boro interest in gyok?

The blokes senile

 

[Grendel]

I'm currently arguing with him on Twitter

He seems to think hes the one that broke the Loan striker news, when Believer told us here on May 6th

Which, also conveniently ties himself up in knots by saying the loan is a replacement for Gyok, but how can he be when the loan striker was already said to us as being close a month before any Boro interest in gyok?

The blokes senile

If plange signs he will play

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

If plange signs he will play

It’s a bit demoralising really if we’re being dictated to over a striker who scored 4 goals last season

 

[fernandopartridge]

I know Boddy will say "I told you so" but selling Gyokeres would be a massive "fuck you" to everybody who bought an early bird season ticket

 

[Saddlebrains]

If plange signs he will play

Maybe. If we go 2 up top and Gyokjs still here, Gyok and Plange would do damage

 

[Deleted member 5849]

For me it has to be minimum one out two of similar quality or rather potential in.

I think we have to be realistic that it's going to be potential, and that any movement out will lead to a step down in quality in the immediate term. Of course the hope is you fund two or three decent players medium term from the sale of one - a loan forward replacement wouldn't be that future of course. Buy us in a decent centre back, a decent goalkeeper, and we'd probably be stronger overall... although losing Gyokeres would be a big blow in terms of outlet - not sure we'd get somebody with his strength to chase and harry into corners, and also come out with the ball!

 

[SleepyGinger]

Yeah I think Nixons heard MBoro want Gyok and we want Plange and he’s out 2 and 2 together. Not saying he’s wrong though.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Well hes blocked me now for pointing out he was talking bollocks and it didnt add up

 

[rexo87]

Well hes blocked me now for pointing out he was talking bollocks and it didnt add up

It's how he works so that he can't be made to look really stupid. Anyone arguing with him is just blocked

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[Liquid Gold]

Can I add that I’m not expecting to see us sign a load of experienced championship players.

What I want is us to go for players like O’Hare, Hamer and Gyokeres who are young, hungry and talented.

Last year we were looking at Twine, would have been a great signing but because our budget was fuck all we had to settle for the Bright gamble.

If we want the best young players from lower down or youth squads then we need a competitive budget to pick them up and then we need to reinvest our profits into finding more of them, if we just replace like for like and stand still then it’s hardly a formula for long term success, stability or interest.

I’m not panicking about this window, I think we’ll have a reasonable season. It just feels like if the limit of our owners ambitions is to milk off transfers and have us stay stable with our one off manager then it all seems a bit pointless. He’ll be off eventually, interest will dwindle and we’ll look back at an opportunity missed.

 

[ovduk78]

Culpin was before that

Nick Pickering and Dean Emerson?

Pickering was bought at the same time as Alan Brazil after we sold Terry Gibson to Man Utd. I think Emerson was after we played Rotherham in league cup but not sure if it was 85/86 or 86/87.

 

[Samo]

Can I add that I’m not expecting to see us sign a load of experienced championship players.

What I want is us to go for players like O’Hare, Hamer and Gyokeres who are young, hungry and talented.

Last year we were looking at Twine, would have been a great signing but because our budget was fuck all we had to settle for the Bright gamble.

If we want the best young players from lower down or youth squads then we need a competitive budget to pick them up and then we need to reinvest our profits into finding more of them, if we just replace like for like and stand still then it’s hardly a formula for long term success, stability or interest.

I’m not panicking about this window, I think we’ll have a reasonable season. It just feels like if the limit of our owners ambitions is to milk off transfers and have us stay stable with our one off manager then it all seems a bit pointless. He’ll be off eventually, interest will dwindle and we’ll look back at an opportunity missed.

I'm sure it will not have escaped Joy's notice that we picked those players up for relative peanuts and they are now worth many millions. Obviously there are no guarantees but future success relies on repetition of that process. If she trusts MR's judgement that is.

 

[SBAndy]

Can I add that I’m not expecting to see us sign a load of experienced championship players.

What I want is us to go for players like O’Hare, Hamer and Gyokeres who are young, hungry and talented.

Last year we were looking at Twine, would have been a great signing but because our budget was fuck all we had to settle for the Bright gamble.

If we want the best young players from lower down or youth squads then we need a competitive budget to pick them up and then we need to reinvest our profits into finding more of them, if we just replace like for like and stand still then it’s hardly a formula for long term success, stability or interest.

I’m not panicking about this window, I think we’ll have a reasonable season. It just feels like if the limit of our owners ambitions is to milk off transfers and have us stay stable with our one off manager then it all seems a bit pointless. He’ll be off eventually, interest will dwindle and we’ll look back at an opportunity missed.

It’s also the issue with people getting hung up on “keeping hold of the big 3”. If we want to progress in the medium term we *need* to sell and reinvest. Hamer, O’Hare or Gyokeres get to their last year of contract and we’re fucked.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Pickering was bought at the same time as Alan Brazil after we sold Terry Gibson to Man Utd. I think Emerson was after we played Rotherham in league cup but not sure if it was 85/86 or 86/87.

Yup, that was a sell a star, reinvest across the squad with Brazil and Pickering. We also brought in Jim McInally, who ended up having a pretty decent career... just not with us!

As an aside, Pickering's career is an odd one. England caps, League Cup final, cup winner, decent spell with Derby... but seemed to burn himself out pretty quickly.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Culpin was before that

Nick Pickering and Dean Emerson?

Think Emerson was a few months into the season but might be wrong.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Think Emerson was a few months into the season but might be wrong.

He was indeed after the season started. We played Rotherham in the League Cup and signed him and Kevan Smith off the back of it.

 

[ovduk78]

Yup, that was a sell a star, reinvest across the squad with Brazil and Pickering. We also brought in Jim McInally, who ended up having a pretty decent career... just not with us!

As an aside, Pickering's career is an odd one. England caps, League Cup final, cup winner, decent spell with Derby... but seemed to burn himself out pretty quickly.

Did we get Davie Bowman at the same time as McNally, both from Forest?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Did we get Davie Bowman at the same time as McNally, both from Forest?

Nope, Bowman had come from... Hearts? a fair while before. They both went to Dundee utd at the same time.

 

[Liquid Gold]

It’s also the issue with people getting hung up on “keeping hold of the big 3”. If we want to progress in the medium term we *need* to sell and reinvest. Hamer, O’Hare or Gyokeres get to their last year of contract and we’re fucked.

Definitely.

We should be looking to sell Hamer and replace with 4 players of similar quality though. Not 1 player and deal with it as has been alluded to.

 

[Northeast sky blue]

It’s also the issue with people getting hung up on “keeping hold of the big 3”. If we want to progress in the medium term we *need* to sell and reinvest. Hamer, O’Hare or Gyokeres get to their last year of contract and we’re fucked.

I don't think its a matter of keeping the big 3, more of a concern on what sort of budget Robins will get to reinvest, if some people on here are to be believed it will be very little

 

[ovduk78]

He was indeed after the season started. We played Rotherham in the League Cup and signed him and Kevan Smith off the back of it.

I remember seeing Kevan Smith play and sure he was, along with Kevin Mcdonald, the slowest player I've ever seen.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Aden Flint has signed for Stoke

 

[SBAndy]

Aden Flint has signed for Stoke

Christ. Get Rory Delap back in there as well.