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[pusbccfc]

Please elaborate

CCFC haven't received the money we are owed for food and beverages.

 

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[David O'Day]

Don't football clubs sharing with non football clubs have to have primacy on ground usage as per the EFL rules?

If so that's a valid reason for the EFL to say no

 

[David O'Day]

Very interested to see if/how the club respond to this statement.

Then again, if they're the ones being less than truthful perhaps their silence will be more deafening.

No it won't, my only ITK moment is to say certain people high up at Wasps did tell the council what Boddy says they promised CCFC.

But the major point is the basic lack of care that has gone into the pitch. It's almost as if they can't afford the water bills

 

[Speedies_Chips]

Don't football clubs sharing with non football clubs have to have primacy on ground usage as per the EFL rules?

If so that's a valid reason for the EFL to say no

Primacy has nothing to do with this. The game was postponed due to the state of the pitch, not because Wasps wanted to play on it instead on the same day.

 

[Saddlebrains]

CCFC haven't received the money we are owed for food and beverages.

Interesting. Know how much or why its not public knowledge?

 

[David O'Day]

rangers played 14 days after last rugby 7s

Wigan will be 16 days after last rugby 7s game…

there is a reason why villa pulled out… seems they have been proved right to do so!

And? The point is not the state of the pitch but that it wasn't "days" after the 7's tournament finished but 2 weeks. There was also a Rangers home game before the Hearts game which would be better evidence.

So I repeat, it's not a post about the state of the pitch but the misrepresentation of the time elapsed between the 2014 CWF 7s and that particular match.

 

[David O'Day]

Primacy has nothing to do with this. The game was postponed due to the state of the pitch, not because Wasps wanted to play on it instead on the same day.

No, a reason why we couldn't change fixtures to play away first few games.

Nowhere did I say it was a reason for the game to be postponed.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

No it won't, my only ITK moment is to say certain people high up at Wasps did tell the council what Boddy says they promised CCFC.

But the major point is the basic lack of care that has gone into the pitch. It's almost as if they can't afford the water bills

Yes, which Wasps physically can't refute. As there are comments from Vaughan in the public domain that essentially state further investment would go into pitch maintenance and upkeep, something that clearly hasn't materialised upon our return last season.

Pitch-gate isn't really a sticking point. I doubt the EFL will really care who promised who when regarding a new pitch as ultimately the pitch was deemed unplayable and that was verified by an independent referee. So it hasn't been properly cared for.

That being said the fact the whodunnits and finger pointing is back isn't a particularly great sign regarding how this is going to be resolved between the club and Wasps.

 

[David O'Day]

Yes, which Wasps physically can't refute. As there are comments from Vaughan in the public domain that essentially state further investment would go into pitch maintenance and upkeep, something that clearly hasn't materialised upon our return last season.

Pitch-gate isn't really a sticking point. I doubt the EFL will really care who promised who when regarding a new pitch as ultimately the pitch was deemed unplayable and that was verified by an independent referee. So it hasn't been properly cared for.

That being said the fact the whodunnits and finger pointing is back isn't a particularly great sign regarding how this is going to be resolved between the club and Wasps.

Pretty much this, in the end the contract will contain clauses about the standard of the playing surface and clearly wasps as owners of said pitch have not stuck to these. The fact the pitch was unfit to play is proof enough of that.

 

[skybluepm2]

Very interested to see if/how the club respond to this statement.

Then again, if they're the ones being less than truthful perhaps their silence will be more deafening.

As much as I want to know the answers, I kind of hope they don’t. After recent events, it would appear that the relationship has once again become strained. A line needs to be drawn, bridges built (somehow) and assuming we can get back on the pitch against Wigan, put it behind us. It’s just draining reading all that bollocks and clearly, as per usual, at least one side is bending the truth, or exaggerating the faults.

Whilst Wasps claim that we were informed that a new pitch wasn’t being laid back in May, they did publicly state upon our return last Summer that there would be. Factual by Boddy, but deliberately leaving out the aforementioned amendment. It’ll be interesting to see if he’s called out on that in due course.

Wasps seem to be hanging their hat on the fact that they implied that our first few fixtures should’ve been played away from home, an option which Boddy states was not possible under any circumstances. EFL would have to clarify. Is this their get out clause for compensation? It’s all pretty ambiguous given that the EFL rules state that our fixtures should take precedence, but where does that clause stand when the tenants have a retrospective agreement for a one off event such as the Commonwealth Games, giving them exclusivity to the arena for a fixed period of time?

It shall probably come down to pitch maintenance, or rather the lack of it, since the end of the season and between events. Robins was fairly vocal about the state of the pitch in his post match interview after Sunderland, so although we only had access to the stadium a couple of days before the first home fixture, I wonder if we’d tried to make inroads with Wasps earlier that week, or more crucially through the Summer.

I can see this boiling down to the finances and pursuing what will be a pretty substantial reimbursement for loss of income, not to mention a fine for being unable to fulfil our first fixture.

I just hope that we’ve covered ourselves in the Contract, particularly surrounding the tenancy agreement and guaranteed pitch condition otherwise we could be staring at a pretty big hole.

Sod it, I do want to know the answers. Looking forward to big Dave’s reply tomorrow morning.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Im saying Sisu have not and never have had any intention of buying land. Their history is to mislead, delay, lie and obfuscate

This is hardly a discovery - a world is not flat moment - most supporters would agree. Why this causes you such angst I have no idea.

Suprised you're not making excuses for them. You do for the other organisation that uses that playbook...

 

[Nick]

Yes, which Wasps physically can't refute. As there are comments from Vaughan in the public domain that essentially state further investment would go into pitch maintenance and upkeep, something that clearly hasn't materialised upon our return last season.

Pitch-gate isn't really a sticking point. I doubt the EFL will really care who promised who when regarding a new pitch as ultimately the pitch was deemed unplayable and that was verified by an independent referee. So it hasn't been properly cared for.

That being said the fact the whodunnits and finger pointing is back isn't a particularly great sign regarding how this is going to be resolved between the club and Wasps.

Hmm, another thread for you to jump on (now the O'Hare stuff is dead due to his injury) and hammer?

Sunderland game was alright.

 

[MAFF]

And? The point is not the state of the pitch but that it wasn't "days" after the 7's tournament finished but 2 weeks. There was also a Rangers home game before the Hearts game which would be better evidence.

So I repeat, it's not a post about the state of the pitch but the misrepresentation of the time elapsed between the 2014 CWF 7s and that particular match.

Fine then 14 "days." Still doesn't take away from the overall point that wasps failed to care for the pitch whatsoever post 7s final.

Is our pitch going to look like Rangers' did in 4 days time?

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Hmm, another thread for you to jump on (now the O'Hare stuff is dead due to his injury) and hammer?

Sunderland game was alright.

I was abroad for the Sunderland game.

Returned just in time for the Rotherham game though... Although you still wouldn't have seen me on the match thread as I do tend to actually watch rather than sit on my phone for the entire game

 

[mark82]

If Wasps can prove their statement to be true then we will be on the end of some serious repercussions from the EFL

Not if it was genuinely the EFL that said we couldn't play first 'X' games away.

 

[mark82]

I don’t think that’s the point behind their statement at all and it seems we didn’t even bother to get an inspection for tomorrow’s game. They are calling there own in for the next one - the last one seemed to say it wasn’t any good for league two which was a pretty strange remark

Was match officials that deemed the surface unplayable. Guessing they'll be bringing in the specialist to advise on what needs doing to get it up to EFL standard. Games going ahead will still be down to match officials.

 

[Greggs]

Please elaborate

Wasps owe him food and catering money and he thinks news will come out in a few weeks.

 

[David O'Day]

Fine then 14 "days." Still doesn't take away from the overall point that wasps failed to care for the pitch whatsoever post 7s final.

Is our pitch going to look like Rangers' did in 4 days time?

no, but was still misleading

 

[alexccfc99]

Unless Wasps completely go to the wall and CCFC swoop in to take a stake in the arena

I would hedge my bets on City leaving The Arena again before the 10 year lease is out, the two clubs do not and never will get along and a long term relationship with them was never viable

 

[MalcSB]

As much as I want to know the answers, I kind of hope they don’t. After recent events, it would appear that the relationship has once again become strained. A line needs to be drawn, bridges built (somehow) and assuming we can get back on the pitch against Wigan, put it behind us. It’s just draining reading all that bollocks and clearly, as per usual, at least one side is bending the truth, or exaggerating the faults.

Whilst Wasps claim that we were informed that a new pitch wasn’t being laid back in May, they did publicly state upon our return last Summer that there would be. Factual by Boddy, but deliberately leaving out the aforementioned amendment. It’ll be interesting to see if he’s called out on that in due course.

Wasps seem to be hanging their hat on the fact that they implied that our first few fixtures should’ve been played away from home, an option which Boddy states was not possible under any circumstances. EFL would have to clarify. Is this their get out clause for compensation? It’s all pretty ambiguous given that the EFL rules state that our fixtures should take precedence, but where does that clause stand when the tenants have a retrospective agreement for a one off event such as the Commonwealth Games, giving them exclusivity to the arena for a fixed period of time?

It shall probably come down to pitch maintenance, or rather the lack of it, since the end of the season and between events. Robins was fairly vocal about the state of the pitch in his post match interview after Sunderland, so although we only had access to the stadium a couple of days before the first home fixture, I wonder if we’d tried to make inroads with Wasps earlier that week, or more crucially through the Summer.

I can see this boiling down to the finances and pursuing what will be a pretty substantial reimbursement for loss of income, not to mention a fine for being unable to fulfil our first fixture.

I just hope that we’ve covered ourselves in the Contract, particularly surrounding the tenancy agreement and guaranteed pitch condition otherwise we could be staring at a pretty big hole.

Sod it, I do want to know the answers. Looking forward to big Dave’s reply tomorrow morning.

It is entirely possible that Wasps have signed two mutually exclusive agreements, one giving CWG exclusivity beyond the start of the football season, the other giving football fixtures primacy. That would be Wasps problem and could be the reason they negotiated the early, but fruitless, release of the pitch.

I also find it surprising that it has taken over 72 hours for Wasps to come out with this Statement. They must have realised there would be some flak heading in their direction.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

So sick of this shit.

This season has got relegation written all over it.

 

[David O'Day]

So sick of this shit.

This season has got relegation written all over it.

why?

 

[skybluepm2]

It is entirely possible that Wasps have signed two mutually exclusive agreements, one giving CWG exclusivity beyond the start of the football season, the other giving football fixtures primacy. That would be Wasps problem and could be the reason they negotiated the early, but fruitless, release of the pitch.

I also find it surprising that it has taken over 72 hours for Wasps to come out with this Statement. They must have realised there would be some flak heading in their direction.

Good point. Zero acknowledgment of error from their perspective, unsurprisingly in a public statement.

The flak is coming at them from all angles at present and the walls appear to be closing in. I just hope SISU are clever in their approach, without putting the club, (and our home) in jeopardy. One thing’s for sure; there’s never a dull moment supporting the Sky Blues!

 

[chiefdave]

Primacy has nothing to do with this. The game was postponed due to the state of the pitch, not because Wasps wanted to play on it instead on the same day.

I think the EFL primacy regulations also require the club to have the ability to cancel other events at the arena.

 

[alexccfc99]

So sick of this shit.

This season has got relegation written all over it.

I’m not feeling as bright as I was about this season, I’ve made a thread even stating that

But I’d be very shocked if we were relegated

 

[steve cooper]

So sick of this shit.

This season has got relegation written all over it.

I don't think we should be worrying about relegation at this stage. We haven't lost any of our best players yet. Time to start worrying if that happens and they are not replaced.

 

[covmark]

So sick of this shit.

This season has got relegation written all over it.

Jesus wept

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[robbiekeane]

You don't get many independent agronomists in football...

Not enough if you ask me!

 

[robbiekeane]

Can't wait for us to get promoted and SISU fuck off, then we buy the stadium off wasps and they can go back to where they came from

 

[CDK]

All this shit makes us look amateurs at football club management.

 

[Balli001]

I think the EFL primacy regulations also require the club to have the ability to cancel other events at the arena.

Think it's cancelled events within 48 hours of the match

 

[MalcSB]

Think it's cancelled events within 48 hours of the match

Which eff3ctively happened as the pitch as handed back before the end of the “exclusivity agreement”.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Very interested to see if/how the club respond to this statement.

Then again, if they're the ones being less than truthful perhaps their silence will be more deafening.

Someone needs to pick up the phone and talk and not to a journalist

 

[TomRad85]

I know football fans can be very strange at times (see our Facebook group, the Sunderland Forum for notable examples), but Rugby folk, specifically the sort that only follow Rugby are weird as fuck, and Wasps fans from Coventry take it to a whole new level. The responses to the statement are delusional.

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[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Someone needs to pick up the phone and talk and not to a journalist

Indeed. But I can't imagine much conversing is going on between both parties.