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[CCFCSteve]

Coffey just spotted arriving at No.10. Maybe Truss needs some antibiotics.

Truss called, the enforcer is currently kicking the shit out of Brady

 

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[BodicoteSkyBlue]

Graham Brady has just turned up at No. 10.

Hopefully with the Grim Reaper a few steps behind.

 

[clint van damme]

Things Starmer says you agree with: likely just positioning for the crowd. Not happening.

Things Starmer says you disagree with: definitely happening and even if just playing politics he shouldn’t.

I said I'll wait and see. I never said it won't happen.

 

[CCFCSteve]

 

[skybluetony176]

Truss called, the enforcer is currently kicking the shit out of Brady

Too Thelma and Louise

 

[skybluetony176]

Hunt doesn’t want the top job, wants to remain as chancellor.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah I don’t really get the frustration at Labour not calling a VONC every week - strikes me as the political equivalent of demanding that Robins brings on Tavares every 10 minutes in the match thread.

The government is on the ropes and is as weak as it's going to get. Why wait 2 years and allow them to recover?

 

[shmmeee]

Do we get a caretaker if she goes today? Surely they haven’t chosen a successor? PM Coffey?

 

[shmmeee]

The government is on the ropes and is as weak as it's going to get. Why wait 2 years and allow them to recover?

A VONC wouldn’t pass.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A VONC wouldn’t pass.

Not the point

 

[shmmeee]

Not the point

Whos waiting two years then? As I say they passed a confidence vote yesterday and are likely to have got rid by the end of today, no time now.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Whos waiting two years then? As I say they passed a confidence vote yesterday and are likely to have got rid by the end of today, no time now.

VONC by proxy is not an actual VONC

 

[skybluetony176]

Apparently Jake Berry has arrived now. Whatever’s happening must be serious.

 

[chiefdave]

Things Starmer says you agree with: likely just positioning for the crowd. Not happening.

Things Starmer says you disagree with: definitely happening and even if just playing politics he shouldn’t.

isn't it more a case of people judging him from his track record?

the ten pledges he made in his leadership campaign and then largely went back on have stuck with a lot of people so now when he says something there's a section of people who aren't confident he will action the things he's promising

 

[Ian1779]

Do we get a caretaker if she goes today? Surely they haven’t chosen a successor? PM Coffey?

Never in Roald Dahl’s wildest dreams would he have expected one of his characters would make it into Downing Street.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Never in Roald Dahl’s wildest dreams would he have expected one of his characters would make it into Downing Street.
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Kenneth Clarke?

 

[SBT]

The government is on the ropes and is as weak as it's going to get. Why wait 2 years and allow them to recover?

Well that's literally my question. As others say, a VONC might not pass right now, which is significant. If it forces Tories to close ranks around the PM in order to avoid an election then that might be another reason to hold off.

Again, I'm guessing that just as scoring goals in football matches requires more sophisticated tactics than "bring on all your strikers as quickly as possible", there might be a strategy at play for the opposition beyond "call a confidence vote every time the government looks shaky". Doesn't stop people shouting for it from the sidelines though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well that's literally my question. As others say, a VONC might not pass right now, which is significant. If it forces Tories to close ranks around the PM in order to avoid an election then that might be another reason to hold off.

Again, I'm guessing that just as scoring goals in football matches requires more sophisticated tactics than "bring on all your strikers as quickly as possible", there might be a strategy at play for the opposition beyond "call a confidence vote every time the government looks shaky". Doesn't stop people shouting for it from the sidelines though.

I know you like your Tavares analogies but this is somewhat different.

 

[Ian1779]

Well that's literally my question. As others say, a VONC might not pass right now, which is significant. If it forces Tories to close ranks around the PM in order to avoid an election then that might be another reason to hold off.

Again, I'm guessing that just as scoring goals in football matches requires more sophisticated tactics than "bring on all your strikers as quickly as possible", there might be a strategy at play for the opposition beyond "call a confidence vote every time the government looks shaky". Doesn't stop people shouting for it from the sidelines though.

Every MP that has called for her to go and then backs her in a VONC provides a pile of ammunition for Labour to use once we get to an election footing.

 

[chiefdave]

likely to have got rid by the end of today

seems increasingly unlikely she can ride it out so what happens next. surely they can't have another leadership election this soon but equally they can't just parachute someone in.

general election seems the obvious answer but are they going to call an election it seems pretty clear they're going to lose. maybe they will, I think there's an argument that handing over to Labour for the next few years while they sort themselves out and then run the next campaign on 'look at the mess Labour have made', as there's no way everything can be sorted in one term, is their best option at the moment.

all that of course is before you consider the dire lack of talent in the party or parliament as a whole.

 

[Grendel]

Every MP that has called for her to go and then backs her in a VONC provides a pile of ammunition for Labour to use once we get to an election footing.

It worked well before - amazingly successful

 

[SBT]

Every MP that has called for her to go and then backs her in a VONC provides a pile of ammunition for Labour to use once we get to an election footing.

I thought the aim was to avoid waiting two years for an election?

 

[Ian1779]

I thought the aim was to avoid waiting two years for an election?

It is - but doing one now won’t affect that timescale.

 

[Ian1779]

It worked well before - amazingly successful

Not helped by Labour shitting the bed on Brexit shortly afterwards.

 

[SBT]

It is - but doing one now won’t affect that timescale.

Well presumably forcing Tory MPs into a position where they have to publicly back a Prime Minister they'd otherwise be happy to cut loose does affect the timescale quite a bit?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I thought the aim was to avoid waiting two years for an election?

The aim is to further crank up the political pressure on the government. Government approval is as low as it ever has been since 2010, there's open discontent in the party, the economy's in a mess. Forcing MPs to say they have confidence in the PM when this is going on makes any subsequent leadership challenge look even worse.

Go for the jugular

 

[skybluetony176]

Downing Street statement in 10 minutes.

 

[Ian1779]

Well presumably forcing Tory MPs into a position where they have to publicly back a Prime Minister they'd otherwise be happy to cut loose does affect the timescale quite a bit?

Does it? The whole purpose would be surely to pin this group of MP’s to this wholly incompetent leader…. Just showing that their actions are only for their own ‘personal interest’ rather than in any national one.

 

[skybluetony176]

The lectern is out.

 

[bezzer]

Downing Street statement in 10 minutes.

The podium is ready, Resignation coming up?

 

[fernandopartridge]

This could be absolutely huge depending on how it’s done:

To be honest it would be easier to nationalise the care sector rather than relying on myriad tiny SMEs to do it, they'll just fold rather than get on board with a national pay bargain. Even if they're not nationalised they are just not paid enough by commissioning organisations who have had their budgets to pay smashed in real terms over the past 12 years.

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[wingy]

The lectern is out.

Off centre and sloping.

 

[wingy]

To be honest it would be easier to nationalise the care sector rather than relying on myriad tiny SMEs to do it, they'll just fold rather than get on board with a national pay bargain. Even if they're not nationalised they are just not paid enough by commissioning organisations who have had their budgets to pay smashed in real terms over the past 12 years.

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Seemed ok when run by LA's.

 

[SBT]

Does it? The whole purpose would be surely to pin this group of MP’s to this wholly incompetent leader…. Just showing that their actions are only for their own ‘personal interest’ rather than in any national one.

Well pinning this group of MPs to their leader ensures that an election doesn’t happen for another two years. Alternatively you let Tory MPs eat each other alive, keep your powder dry and see if they do your own dirty work for you (like, in say, 10 minutes from now).

If this really is such a foolproof political tactic, isn’t it surprising that it’s never been used in modern parliamentary history before?

 

[PVA]

Wouldn't be surprised if she played the mental health card to garner a bit of sympathy.

I'm so giddy for a general election