Do you want to discuss boring politics? (164 Viewers)

[PVA]

On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?

Brown was the first change of prime minister in 10 years.

Sunak is the second change in a month.

Labour had a 4 point lead in the polls when Brown took over.

Conservatives are 30 odd points behind.

 

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[shmmeee]

On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?

No you didn’t. You voted for a person who happened to tell you which party they belonged to. There is a chance you could have voted for a person with no party but couldn’t have voted for a party without a person. That’s PR.

 

[Grendel]

Brown was the first change of prime minister in 10 years.

Sunak is the second change in a month.

Labour had a 4 point lead in the polls when Brown took over.

Conservatives are 30 odd points behind.

which is totally irrelevant and nothing to do with the political system

 

[PVA]

which is totally irrelevant and nothing to do with the political system

Two prime ministers booted out in disgrace within the space of a few months is irrelevant? OK.

 

[Grendel]

Two prime ministers booted out in disgrace within the space of a few months is irrelevant? OK.

No you compared brown and said his justification there was only one change and also an opinion poll lead

If you think it’s a goer campaign to the labour MP in your area and ask for a law to be passed in parliament that triggers an election of opinion polls are a certain percentage in favour of the opposition at any point in time

go for it

 

[Grendel]

Two prime ministers booted out in disgrace within the space of a few months is irrelevant? OK.

oh and yes as the constitution stands it’s irrelevant

 

[PVA]

oh and yes as the constitution stands it’s irrelevant

I didn't say constitution demands an election so once again you've taken 2+2 and made 86 like you always do.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm a lot happier with a parliamentary democracy electing Sunak as leader rather than abdicating the decision to the party's members, for sure.

 

[Grendel]

Brown was the first change of prime minister in 10 years.

Sunak is the second change in a month.

Labour had a 4 point lead in the polls when Brown took over.

Conservatives are 30 odd points behind.

oh sorry when you stated this I assume that you were stating there was a legitimate argument for a general election

You now agree there isn’t - good

 

[Grendel]

I'm a lot happier with a parliamentary democracy electing Sunak as leader rather than abdicating the decision to the party's members, for sure.

Party members should never be allowed to elect leaders as IDS Truss Corbyn and Edward Milliband prove

 

[PVA]

oh sorry when you stated this I assume that you were stating there was a legitimate argument for a general election

You now agree there isn’t - good

There is a legitimate argument for a general election. About 70% of the electorate agrees with me.

That still doesn't mean that constitution demands one.

You really do struggle with nuance don't you.

 

[Sick Boy]

Party members should never be allowed to elect leaders as IDS Truss Corbyn and Edward Milliband prove

…and Johnson.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'm a lot happier with a parliamentary democracy electing Sunak as leader rather than abdicating the decision to the party's members, for sure.

What’s funny is hearing party members whining that they didn’t have a say. Err, yes you did. 6 weeks ago and you picked an ideological, incompetent, mentalists. You mentalists.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Party members should never be allowed to elect leaders as IDS Truss Corbyn and Edward Milliband prove

Hmm, I'd actually say that Ed Milliband is maybe a bit harsh being lumped in with the others - he actually shows flair and ability now he's not constrained by the Spin Doctors. Lump him in the William Hague category as a talented politician who ended up in charge at the wrong time, and probably too early.

Nonetheless, when it's left to the MPs it's fair to say that whatever your politics, they do at least tend to elect an adult to be in charge of their party.

 

[PVA]

Appointing Braverman just days after she broke the ministerial code ffs.

I suppose it's to appease the headbangers on the right.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Appointing Braverman just days after she broke the ministerial code ffs.

I suppose it's to appease the headbangers on the right.

Outrageous really

 

[duffer]

On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?

I would happily vote for a constitution that required a general election if the ruling party changed their PM. Would you?

Also, I'd happily include in that constitution a binding ministerial code that meant anyone who brought their office into disrepute by, say, lying or committing a criminal offence could be removed immediately and barred from further office for a least a few years. Would you?

 

[duffer]

Outrageous really

It's the Tories mate. The party of law and order, of common decency, of fiscal responsibility, remember?

Now doff your hat, tug your forelock, and be on your way - it's not for the likes of you to question the likes of us.

 

[Grendel]

There is a legitimate argument for a general election. About 70% of the electorate agrees with me.

That still doesn't mean that constitution demands one.

You really do struggle with nuance don't you.

There isn’t. You struggle with reality.

 

[PVA]

There isn’t. You struggle with reality.

You certainly do if you think there is no reason for a general election at the moment. You're very much in the minority.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

There isn’t. You struggle with reality.

The reality is that the last two Prime Ministers have had disastrous records in office. What confidence can the country have in this one?

 

[clint van damme]

The reality is that the last two Prime Ministers have had disastrous records in office. What confidence can the country have in this one?

Just the 2?

 

[skybluetony176]

Just the 2?

This year.

 

[David O'Day]

You certainly do if you think there is no reason for a general election at the moment. You're very much in the minority.

he normally is, he's a troll so just don't bite

 

[Skybluefaz]

On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Just the 2?

Since the last election, which was the point.

Obviously the two before were terrible too, although by comparison with Johnson and Truss they don't look quite so bad now.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?

Oh dear

 

[shmmeee]

There isn’t. You struggle with reality.

What mandate does the government have if it’s abandoning its manifesto?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

There isn’t. You struggle with reality.

You struggle with decency.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Aye. Wants to write more books

She's writing a Austen-style family saga about a naive MP who falls hopelessly in love with a unscrupolous colleague who swindles his way to the top and takes advantage of her.

It's called Liar and Liability.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I think one of the bonus's in all this with any luck is that Jacob Rees-Mogg may be returning to the backbenches.

 

[fernandopartridge]

My prediction for 2024:

Pitiful turnout and an effective re-run of the 2010 election with two sides pledging austerity "because all the money (that we are the sole issuer of) has run out".

I cannot see the huge Labour majority predicted currently but it should win back the 'red wall'.

 

[shmmeee]

Breakingviews - Breakingviews: Delusions of grandeur are root of Britain’s chaos

The mess Britain is in can be partly explained by the fact that its politicians think it is more special than it really is. Prime Minister Liz Truss and her short-lived “Trussonomics” came hot on the heels of Brexit. Both are symptoms of a country that hasn’t fully come to terms with the loss of...

www.reuters.com

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Breakingviews - Breakingviews: Delusions of grandeur are root of Britain’s chaos

The mess Britain is in can be partly explained by the fact that its politicians think it is more special than it really is. Prime Minister Liz Truss and her short-lived “Trussonomics” came hot on the heels of Brexit. Both are symptoms of a country that hasn’t fully come to terms with the loss of...

www.reuters.com

That’s just them talking the country down!! Lol
It’s a huge problem. We have lots of Nigerians and Indians at our church who talk fondly of British influence around the world and I think we are great in lots of ways. Brexit and trusseconomics are focusing on the wrong things that go to making us great

Not forgetting our empire ability to be fuckwits we are still admired for our welcome and our just ness and our sense of fair play and our support for those less fortunate

Truss and Boris thinks we’re great for our warfare and our money. It’s a shame and a problem

 

[skybluetony176]

She certainly found out who her friends are. Therese Coffey apparently and that’s it.