Brighton Sky Blue
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2 years is a long time in politics. Denying the country an election despite changing PM not once but twice, who knows how it goes if he portrays economic credibility
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2 years is a long time in politics. Denying the country an election despite changing PM not once but twice, who knows how it goes if he portrays economic credibility
rob9872
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On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
fernandopartridge
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You vote for a personOn my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
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On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
Brown was the first change of prime minister in 10 years.
Sunak is the second change in a month.
Labour had a 4 point lead in the polls when Brown took over.
Conservatives are 30 odd points behind.
shmmeee
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On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
No you didn’t. You voted for a person who happened to tell you which party they belonged to. There is a chance you could have voted for a person with no party but couldn’t have voted for a party without a person. That’s PR.
Two prime ministers booted out in disgrace within the space of a few months is irrelevant? OK.
Grendel
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No you compared brown and said his justification there was only one change and also an opinion poll lead
If you think it’s a goer campaign to the labour MP in your area and ask for a law to be passed in parliament that triggers an election of opinion polls are a certain percentage in favour of the opposition at any point in time
go for it
I didn't say constitution demands an election so once again you've taken 2+2 and made 86 like you always do.
NorthernWisdom
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I'm a lot happier with a parliamentary democracy electing Sunak as leader rather than abdicating the decision to the party's members, for sure.
Grendel
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Party members should never be allowed to elect leaders as IDS Truss Corbyn and Edward Milliband prove
There is a legitimate argument for a general election. About 70% of the electorate agrees with me.
That still doesn't mean that constitution demands one.
You really do struggle with nuance don't you.
Sick Boy
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…and Johnson.
skybluetony176
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What’s funny is hearing party members whining that they didn’t have a say. Err, yes you did. 6 weeks ago and you picked an ideological, incompetent, mentalists. You mentalists.
NorthernWisdom
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Hmm, I'd actually say that Ed Milliband is maybe a bit harsh being lumped in with the others - he actually shows flair and ability now he's not constrained by the Spin Doctors. Lump him in the William Hague category as a talented politician who ended up in charge at the wrong time, and probably too early.
Nonetheless, when it's left to the MPs it's fair to say that whatever your politics, they do at least tend to elect an adult to be in charge of their party.
Sky Blue Pete
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duffer
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On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
I would happily vote for a constitution that required a general election if the ruling party changed their PM. Would you?
Also, I'd happily include in that constitution a binding ministerial code that meant anyone who brought their office into disrepute by, say, lying or committing a criminal offence could be removed immediately and barred from further office for a least a few years. Would you?
duffer
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It's the Tories mate. The party of law and order, of common decency, of fiscal responsibility, remember?
Now doff your hat, tug your forelock, and be on your way - it's not for the likes of you to question the likes of us.
You certainly do if you think there is no reason for a general election at the moment. You're very much in the minority.
The reality is that the last two Prime Ministers have had disastrous records in office. What confidence can the country have in this one?
clint van damme
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Just the 2?
skybluetony176
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This year.
David O'Day
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Skybluefaz
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On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
Since the last election, which was the point.
Obviously the two before were terrible too, although by comparison with Johnson and Truss they don't look quite so bad now.
Brighton Sky Blue
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On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
Oh dear
shmmeee
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What mandate does the government have if it’s abandoning its manifesto?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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You struggle with decency.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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She's writing a Austen-style family saga about a naive MP who falls hopelessly in love with a unscrupolous colleague who swindles his way to the top and takes advantage of her.
It's called Liar and Liability.
Philosorapter
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I think one of the bonus's in all this with any luck is that Jacob Rees-Mogg may be returning to the backbenches.
fernandopartridge
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My prediction for 2024:
Pitiful turnout and an effective re-run of the 2010 election with two sides pledging austerity "because all the money (that we are the sole issuer of) has run out".
I cannot see the huge Labour majority predicted currently but it should win back the 'red wall'.
Pitiful turnout and an effective re-run of the 2010 election with two sides pledging austerity "because all the money (that we are the sole issuer of) has run out".
I cannot see the huge Labour majority predicted currently but it should win back the 'red wall'.
