Mike Ashley Takeover …Ready and Waiting (25 Viewers)

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

He appointed him and then sacked him

The belief Newcastle are some powerhouse is laughable - they last won a major domestic trophy the year the electric television was invented

This is what I’ve always argued - never got Newcastle’s aura and entitlement to challenging. Even we have won a major trophy more recent than them.

 

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[Flying Fokker]

My opinion. If Ashley does have ambition to own ccfc I suspect he is in no hurry to do so. I think he saw an opportunity to add valuable real estate for a very modest sum to his overall portfolio. Whilst he owns house of fraser its his son in law that runs the group. Of course he has input but is he hands on at the stadium almost certainly not. A relatively cheap investment gives house of fraser all sorts of options and leaves others with big and possibly expensive decisions to make

I think we are at least for some years going to be in the hands of Mr King. With Seppala lurking in the background. Might be intended to be like that but not convinced there isn't a large amount of miscalculation as to how ccfc managed to miss out on the best chance of owning the stadium, it could easily be we never do.

All of this, were it not for the strong possibility that King could sell up/ partner venture with Ashley up to the Premier League. Ashley would be an equal partner with King, Ashley would need a good offer for ACL and then Doug would make a right mess of things.

Joy a silent partner? There Is no reason why this can’t happen given that most clubs have several key players who are invested in their progress/decline. The point you make about it taking years to get to the prem applies to both scenarios!

 

[Cata]

A lease to play there for the club, the fact ACL have totally run out of cash suggests it's by no means a certainty it's a cash cow, and the fact that getting the club debt free, as opposed to Ranson debt free, releases the club from interest generated debt, making it easier to run in a 'sustainable' way and, in theory, means more budget for the playing side.

The Arena needs investment and professional marketing. What would the insects know about running a major venue (answer = nowt) NEC wanted it to make a profit and they would know how to do it. MA? who knows? bulldoze and give it sports direct? anything is possible. Just hope the Sky Blues can hang in there and do well PUSB

 

[SkyblueDad]

The Arena needs investment and professional marketing. What would the insects know about running a major venue (answer = nowt) NEC wanted it to make a profit and they would know how to do it. MA? who knows? bulldoze and give it sports direct? anything is possible. Just hope the Sky Blues can hang in there and do well PUSB

Bulldoze !! Are you for real?

 

[Sick Boy]

This is what I’ve always argued - never got Newcastle’s aura and entitlement to challenging. Even we have won a major trophy more recent than them.

One else understand how they feel about football blah blah - wankers.

 

[chiefdave]

My opinion. If Ashley does have ambition to own ccfc I suspect he is in no hurry to do so. I think he saw an opportunity to add valuable real estate for a very modest sum to his overall portfolio. Whilst he owns house of fraser its his son in law that runs the group. Of course he has input but is he hands on at the stadium almost certainly not. A relatively cheap investment gives house of fraser all sorts of options and leaves others with big and possibly expensive decisions to make

I think we are at least for some years going to be in the hands of Mr King. With Seppala lurking in the background. Might be intended to be like that but not convinced there isn't a large amount of miscalculation as to how ccfc managed to miss out on the best chance of owning the stadium, it could easily be we never do.

If Ashley is interested it makes sense to get an offer in as quickly as possible. We're in a decent position and a few quid in January could see us actually challenge for promotion. he'd be seen as a hero if he took over and a few months later we were in the Prem.

But if he's asked for silly money he'll be quite happy to wait it out.

 

[JulianDarbyFTW]

[citation needed]

What position did he play for us against QPR m8?

 

[shmmeee]

Me too

It’s just a lot easier isn’t it? I mean something else may be happening but it’s almost certainly something no one will guess so I’ll be just as wrong and just as surprised believing that as anything else.

 

[CDK]

I hate the term ‘The jury’s out’. I agree, my skepticism is drawn from 15 years of off-pitch angst. His takeover has So many red flags. His late bid for the stadium, SISU in disguise? There is no point being a white knight if you trot in after the event.

My initial thoughts through the quotes he was a new fall guy fo.r sisu ,but have come to conclude can't see him being so owing to all the statements directed back to him.
So I am happy to watch and wait for the January window to see what he does by his actions .

 

[Cata]

Bulldoze !! Are you for real?

The land is valuable and Sports Direct have been looking for a new location for a hub for a while. So yes I am real. Most things are possible. I did not say likely.

 

[steve cooper]

The problem is, he won't own the land the stadium is built on. I would say to bulldoze it and build a warehouse on the land would be full of problems and not particularly likely to succeed, even if CCC agreed to it.

 

[skybluetony176]

The land is valuable and Sports Direct have been looking for a new location for a hub for a while. So yes I am real. Most things are possible. I did not say likely.

He’s moving to Ansty. It’s a done deal. They’ve already put some of the infrastructure in with reworking existing road junctions etc.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The land is valuable and Sports Direct have been looking for a new location for a hub for a while. So yes I am real. Most things are possible. I did not say likely.

You know he doesn’t own the freehold right? He can’t just bulldoze the stadium

 

[shmmeee]

The problem is, he won't own the land the stadium is built on. I would say to bulldoze it and build a warehouse on the land would be full of problems and not particularly likely to succeed, even if CCC agreed to it.

Considering part of ACLs mission and the lease terms are about developing the land around and it’s use as a conference centre and arena, there’s no way they can bulldoze it. God knows where this mental rumour has come from.

 

[You'll Never Beat McPake]

So if CCFC have a lease to play at CBS for another 8 years, surely that means (and I can't see this happening anyway) any thoughts of demolishing the stadium can't happen until after this time.

 

[shmmeee]

So if CCFC have a lease to play at CBS for another 8 years, surely that means (and I can't see this happening anyway) any thoughts of demolishing the stadium can't happen until after this time.

They can’t happen in the next 242 years…

 

[steve cooper]

They can’t happen in the next 242 years…

And I won't care by then

 

[shmmeee]

And I won't care by then

Be more worried about whether the pitch is waterlogged from flooding and if we can evict the gang of bandits who have commandeered it for farming rats for food I’d imagine.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They can’t happen in the next 242 years…

When we move to Warwick Uni, then they might have to have a re-think.

(In all seriousness, our illustrious owner needs to decide what his next cunning plan is, and announce whatever his sliding scale of plans for the next 50 years for us is, really.)

 

[shmmeee]

When we move to Warwick Uni, then they might have to have a re-think.

(In all seriousness, our illustrious owner needs to decide what his next cunning plan is, and announce whatever his sliding scale of plans for the next 50 years for us is, really.)

Back the manager and see if he can make it to the promised land before he leaves and we go back to a midtable L1 side?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Back the manager and see if he can make it to the promised land before he leaves and we go back to a midtable L1 side?

Pretty much what it boils down to. See what this club can do when it's not forced to work with a handicap every season.

 

[robbiethemole]

You know he doesn’t own the freehold right? He can’t just bulldoze the stadium

He can if a dodgy Council CEO gave him the green light to (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

 

[The Philosopher]

Rightly or wrongly the idea of having a stadium at Warwick Uni was the least crazy of the SISU plans.

We’ve talked about it on this forum: having the best of the student footballers, our players getting decent education for when they retire (some kind of course they could do outside of training), being able to get around the visa system and attract foreign players on a student card (yep - think about that angle) physio courses etc. I could go on and on.

I thought and still think it can be done in 8 years.

If the Uni was going to part fund then great.

However, at that time we were playing at StAn’s and being back in at the Ricoh / CBS looked dubious.

It’s all about money. Land for distribution has rocketed over the years. Just in time working practices, the cost of fuel / haulage meaning that location is everything. Just off the M6 bang in the centre of the U.K.?

I think it highly unlikely that the cost of building a stadium at Warwick Is Uni (£100m?) could be offset by the value of the CBS and Arena Land, but I must say this whole thing has been unpredictable.

If I were to learn that MA brought the land, the club, was moving to Warwick Uni and the CBS area was going to be a Fraser distribution and warehousing hub and the Council were chipping in £50m (they were giving the Wasps £30m?) to create 2000 jobs at Rowleys Green, well, it seems mad, but…..

 

[itsabuzzard]

Back the manager and see if he can make it to the promised land before he leaves and we go back to a midtable L1 side?

That's what I'd do if I had uggins of the folding stuff.

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[Rosco19]

NUFC fan.....I come in peace

Mike Ashley should not be allowed anywhere near your club or ground and god forbid if he ends up buying both as for some reason everyone outside of Newcastle / North East thinks he's the Pied Piper.
He is a bloodsucking leech who will suck the life out of your club not at first but very slowly so you don't notice and in the beginning will be drinking with the fans / trying to be one of the boys, but in reality is a fat Cockney Spiv. Yes he would pump money in / pay debts (in reality money just gets moved around between his various companies / interrst free loans / dividends paid to him) which will be great in short term to secure your club.
If you made to the premier league just be happy with shit football and a 17th place finnish because that would be all youd get as all he's after is the £170 million tv money every year with little or no expendituree, and a relagtion every few years is ok as parachute payment comes in handy.

You have been warned......good luck I have a soft spot for the sky blues as wifes family support them

 

[Danceswithhorses]

NUFC fan.....I come in peace

Mike Ashley should not be allowed anywhere near your club or ground and god forbid if he ends up buying both as for some reason everyone outside of Newcastle / North East thinks he's the Pied Piper.
He is a bloodsucking leech who will suck the life out of your club not at first but very slowly so you don't notice and in the beginning will be drinking with the fans / trying to be one of the boys, but in reality is a fat Cockney Spiv. Yes he would pump money in / pay debts (in reality money just gets moved around between his various companies / interrst free loans / dividends paid to him) which will be great in short term to secure your club.
If you made to the premier league just be happy with shit football and a 17th place finnish because that would be all youd get as all he's after is the £170 million tv money every year with little or no expendituree, and a relagtion every few years is ok as parachute payment comes in handy.

You have been warned......good luck I have a soft spot for the sky blues as wifes family support them

To be fair, 17th in the Premier league is something we can only dream of.
I know that Newcastle fans demand way more than that, but it's all about expectations, and ours are 'modest'.
We all know what MA is like, but believe it or not, most here would think he would be a massive improvement over our most recent owners SISU, who took us down to the depths of tier 4, and sucked the life out of us like vampires.
The fact we're back in tier 2 is pretty much all down to Mark Robins, and the excellent staff he has assembled around him.

 

[rexo87]

NUFC fan.....I come in peace

Mike Ashley should not be allowed anywhere near your club or ground and god forbid if he ends up buying both as for some reason everyone outside of Newcastle / North East thinks he's the Pied Piper.
He is a bloodsucking leech who will suck the life out of your club not at first but very slowly so you don't notice and in the beginning will be drinking with the fans / trying to be one of the boys, but in reality is a fat Cockney Spiv. Yes he would pump money in / pay debts (in reality money just gets moved around between his various companies / interrst free loans / dividends paid to him) which will be great in short term to secure your club.
If you made to the premier league just be happy with shit football and a 17th place finnish because that would be all youd get as all he's after is the £170 million tv money every year with little or no expendituree, and a relagtion every few years is ok as parachute payment comes in handy.

You have been warned......good luck I have a soft spot for the sky blues as wifes family support them

You've sold it well, genuinely. You do realise we've been down to league 2 with 2 groundshares outside of our city?

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[Jcap]

Considering part of ACLs mission and the lease terms are about developing the land around and it’s use as a conference centre and arena, there’s no way they can bulldoze it. God knows where this mental rumour has come from.

Come on this is SBT, you should know better...

 

[Flying Fokker]

Rightly or wrongly the idea of having a stadium at Warwick Uni was the least crazy of the SISU plans.

We’ve talked about it on this forum: having the best of the student footballers, our players getting decent education for when they retire (some kind of course they could do outside of training), being able to get around the visa system and attract foreign players on a student card (yep - think about that angle) physio courses etc. I could go on and on.

I thought and still think it can be done in 8 years.

If the Uni was going to part fund then great.

However, at that time we were playing at StAn’s and being back in at the Ricoh / CBS looked dubious.

It’s all about money. Land for distribution has rocketed over the years. Just in time working practices, the cost of fuel / haulage meaning that location is everything. Just off the M6 bang in the centre of the U.K.?

I think it highly unlikely that the cost of building a stadium at Warwick Is Uni (£100m?) could be offset by the value of the CBS and Arena Land, but I must say this whole thing has been unpredictable.

If I were to learn that MA brought the land, the club, was moving to Warwick Uni and the CBS area was going to be a Fraser distribution and warehousing hub and the Council were chipping in £50m (they were giving the Wasps £30m?) to create 2000 jobs at Rowleys Green, well, it seems mad, but…..

Must admit, I’d never thought of the second paragraph. But it doesn’t need to change much to have a training ground there.

 

[shmmeee]

He can if a dodgy Council CEO gave him the green light to (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

No. He can’t.

 

[MalcSB]

Given the running costs of the entire Arena, we may actually be better off with a long lease of the stadium bowl at reasonable cost with access to match day revenues, rather than the risk of not being able to sell all the exhibition / conference / concert “space” whilst still carrying the full overhead. Whilst there is the potential for profit that could be ploughed in to the team, there is a significant risk - it’s not as if ACL was particularly profitable.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Given the running costs of the entire Arena, we may actually be better off with a long lease of the stadium bowl at reasonable cost with access to match day revenues, rather than the risk of not being able to sell all the exhibition / conference / concert “space” whilst still carrying the full overhead. Whilst there is the potential for profit that could be ploughed in to the team, there is a significant risk - it’s not as if ACL was particularly profitable.

I suggested something similar on here a while ago, carve out a sub-lease for the stadium bowl and the conferencing space immediately attached to the bowl.

 

[Greggs]

NUFC fan.....I come in peace

Mike Ashley should not be allowed anywhere near your club or ground and god forbid if he ends up buying both as for some reason everyone outside of Newcastle / North East thinks he's the Pied Piper.
He is a bloodsucking leech who will suck the life out of your club not at first but very slowly so you don't notice and in the beginning will be drinking with the fans / trying to be one of the boys, but in reality is a fat Cockney Spiv. Yes he would pump money in / pay debts (in reality money just gets moved around between his various companies / interrst free loans / dividends paid to him) which will be great in short term to secure your club.
If you made to the premier league just be happy with shit football and a 17th place finnish because that would be all youd get as all he's after is the £170 million tv money every year with little or no expendituree, and a relagtion every few years is ok as parachute payment comes in handy.

You have been warned......good luck I have a soft spot for the sky blues as wifes family support them

not all of us can be owned by a country

 

[Saddlebrains]

Must say I'm in total shock hes still not brought us, everyone on here and twitter claims its a done deal.......

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Must say I'm in total shock hes still not brought us, everyone on here and twitter claims its a done deal.......

Don’t think anyone here has said that