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I never thought I'd find myself defending Rees-Mogg(!) but he was defending the government's position on specifics, namely focussing on an Australia deal, and taxation causing issues rather than Brexit. Now, he studiously avoided the issues with trading with the EU and its complexities, but his answer was nothing I wouldn't expect a politician to do - focus on the things that make it look better.
That's not a reason to defend him. It was a deflection and disingenuous as he was trying to debunk the central point that the audience member was making by referring to a much smaller issue. This goes to the route of our problems ever since the Brexit debate which is the fundamental lack of honesty in political debate.
 

SBT

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I never thought I'd find myself defending Rees-Mogg(!) but he was defending the government's position on specifics, namely focussing on an Australia deal, and taxation causing issues rather than Brexit. Now, he studiously avoided the issues with trading with the EU and its complexities, but his answer was nothing I wouldn't expect a politician to do - focus on the things that make it look better.
The argument that trade becoming more complicated with Europe is fine because we can make up for it by trading with Australia and New Zealand instead isn’t going to hold up for long, I fear.
 
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The argument that trade becoming more complicated with Europe is fine because we can make up for it by trading with Australia and New Zealand instead isn’t going to hold up for long, I fear.
It won't, and by defending his rhetorical position, I'm not defending Brexit.

But...

That's what politicians do, and have done for long before Brexit on both sides of the political divide - defend their position by pointing out what they've done as a positive. In this case, the Australia deal is being mooted as a positive, and the scale of duty on alcohol is being positioned as a taxation issue rather than a Brexit red tape issue. At no point does he say that importing from the EU is indeed easier post Brexit... and nor would anybody expect him to.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I never thought I'd find myself defending Rees-Mogg(!) but he was defending the government's position on specifics, namely focussing on an Australia deal, and taxation causing issues rather than Brexit. Now, he studiously avoided the issues with trading with the EU and its complexities, but his answer was nothing I wouldn't expect a politician to do - focus on the things that make it look better.
So he's still a disingenuous c***.
 

Grendel

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Rees Moggs just a waste of space. Even if it was a one in ten chance of a cold snap, there’s still a one in ten chance to prepare for 🤷‍♂️ Also I’d have thought the pressure was immediate ie we’ve had the coldest period and it’s due to get a bit milder next week so struggling to see where the black outs are coming from…it’s not like it’s due to depleted storage as we don’t have any !

Im guessing there’s a likelihood of the smart meter control (paying people to to stop/minimise usage) between 5 and 7pm if things are stretched. Not sure why they haven’t just asked everyone to do 18c max between those hours and not to use certain high energy appliances. Feels like a typical MoS panic ranty headline…hope so anyway
 

Grendel

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And an exclusive that Meghan Markle contributed to the death of the Queen. I’d imagine Andrew’s antics were far more stressful for her - what a fucking rag.

You seem well versed in its content - do you subscribe
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Rees Moggs just a waste of space. Even if it was a one in ten chance of a cold snap, there’s still a one in ten chance to prepare for 🤷‍♂️ Also I’d have thought the pressure was immediate ie we’ve had the coldest period and it’s due to get a bit milder next week so struggling to see where the black outs are coming from…it’s not like it’s due to depleted storage as we don’t have any !

Im guessing there’s a likelihood of the smart meter control (paying people to to stop/minimise usage) between 5 and 7pm if things are stretched. Not sure why they haven’t just asked everyone to do 18c max between those hours and not to use certain high energy appliances. Feels like a typical MoS panic ranty headline…hope so anyway
I did wonder who/what we would blame after we couldn’t blame the EU. So far I make it

Megan Markle
Crazy Commie Corbyn
Beer Korma
Weather forecasters
People getting smuggled across the Channel
Militant rail workers
Militant nurses
Militant posties
The Queen’s death
 

shmmeee

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I did wonder who/what we would blame after we couldn’t blame the EU. So far I make it

Megan Markle
Crazy Commie Corbyn
Beer Korma
Weather forecasters
People getting smuggled across the Channel
Militant rail workers
Militant nurses
Militant posties
The Queen’s death

It’s only because they want credit for low unemployment we haven’t had the unemployed.

Next up single mums and teenagers?
 

chiefdave

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It's about time the Tories were given a fair crack of the whip at governing the country with such talent waiting in the backbenches


The most worrying thing about this is that you've got an MP who thinks when people talk of a lack of beds in the NHS they mean there's physically not beds

The reality is there's hospitals with wards full of beds closed because they don't have the staff and / or funding to keep them in use
 

skybluetony176

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I did wonder who/what we would blame after we couldn’t blame the EU. So far I make it

Megan Markle
Crazy Commie Corbyn
Beer Korma
Weather forecasters
People getting smuggled across the Channel
Militant rail workers
Militant nurses
Militant posties
The Queen’s death
We’re still blaming the EU, not least for the excellent oven ready, just pop it in the microwave deal that Boris did. Not Boris’ fault, the EU forced us to sign it despite us holding all the cards.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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We’re still blaming the EU, not least for the excellent oven ready, just pop it in the microwave deal that Boris did. Not Boris’ fault, the EU forced us to sign it despite us holding all the cards.
I found it very interesting to hear on Question Time that ‘none of the politicians want to blame Brexit’. Well in the case of the Tories it’s their pet project but Labour are too scared of losing seats to come out and say what even Tory voters are starting to accept.
 

Ian1779

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Surely there’s a case to give nurses a significant pay rise just to attract them back into the NHS from agencies getting rid of the dependency on agency nurses. £3B a year the NHS is having to spend on agency nurses. That needs factoring into the cost of nurses pay rises.
I don’t know what the rate of mark up is in nursing, but I know for supply teachers it’s an average of 45% of the daily rate, which is an absolutely outrageous amount.
 

SBT

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Someone has to speak up, though; so much of the news is dominated by right-wing tabloids pushing the agendas of a privileged select few.
There are some issues that undoubtedly should be raised in an otherwise unrelated TV broadcast - either ones that affect us all (racism) or are specific to the setting (Qatari human rights abuses). I'm not sure an industrial dispute between one particular sector and today's British government rises to that standard. Speaking out is important, and it's not like I think there should be hard and fast rules about it, but I don't want to give carte blanche to any old presenter to get on their soapbox in any setting. Roy Keane piping up next and urging Rishi to smash the unions wouldn't have been appropriate either.
 

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