stevefloyd
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We could have done with 5 centre backs yesterday
Match Thread Wrexham FA Cup match (3 Viewers)
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stevefloyd
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What were they?
larry_david
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Watching Moore just stare at that cross as it goes in again and again and again.
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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What doesnt help is it was Elliot Lee, he’s a fucking pratt
stevefloyd
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to be fair he did dive for it...
after he realised he was actually playing and not on the bench
Covcraig@bury
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Fair play to them , they came here to win and they did just that . Complacency at its best from us just because we’re in the higher league doesn’t give us the right to win .
I remember Alex Ferguson doing the same to us in the cup and we beat them 2-0 . What goes around comes around.
I remember Alex Ferguson doing the same to us in the cup and we beat them 2-0 . What goes around comes around.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Fair play to people who can read articles on the game or other forum comments. I’d rather pretend it never happened to be honest-and a battering at Turf Moor next weekend will do that.
It feels like we’re being punished infinite times for SISU being the ones to take us over 15 and a half years ago and simply put when are we going to get the change in fortunes basically every club saddled with bad owners seems to get in much less time. Conference opponents who can take the piss with their spending against Championship ones who have had no external investment for years and barely have a fit starting 11.
Even if this takeover happens we’re assuming that King will support the manager more than his predecessors. He remains a bit of a wildcard. If he doesn’t the club is going to sink like a stone and be bypassed by Disney FC on the way
It feels like we’re being punished infinite times for SISU being the ones to take us over 15 and a half years ago and simply put when are we going to get the change in fortunes basically every club saddled with bad owners seems to get in much less time. Conference opponents who can take the piss with their spending against Championship ones who have had no external investment for years and barely have a fit starting 11.
Even if this takeover happens we’re assuming that King will support the manager more than his predecessors. He remains a bit of a wildcard. If he doesn’t the club is going to sink like a stone and be bypassed by Disney FC on the way
I don't know why people are blaming Robins for that.
The team he picked was more than good enough to win the game. You can see by the number of chances - we could have scored 8 - that we had enough to score plenty of goals. In fact if you were told before the game that we'd score 3 goals then you'd take that as a guaranteed win.
The problem was at the other end, where a largely first choice defence was absolutely abysmal and aided by an equally rubbish keeper.
Picking Gyokeres and Hamer from the start doesn't stop the defenders forgetting how to play football.
The team he picked was more than good enough to win the game. You can see by the number of chances - we could have scored 8 - that we had enough to score plenty of goals. In fact if you were told before the game that we'd score 3 goals then you'd take that as a guaranteed win.
The problem was at the other end, where a largely first choice defence was absolutely abysmal and aided by an equally rubbish keeper.
Picking Gyokeres and Hamer from the start doesn't stop the defenders forgetting how to play football.
Otis
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Exactly. I didn't think we played that badly the first half, apart from the back line. Such a soft touch and every header was won by their players and we could just not cope with the aerial threat at all.
Like you say, it's not like it was an inexperienced defence last night. Pretty much first choice. It was the defence that cost us and you can't blame Robins for that .
Sure, you can look at the lack of subs earlier, but he was clearly trying to rest players and what we had out there SHOULD have been good enough to win the game.
The defending last night was shocking and pretty much all of it was down to not being able to clear the ball in the air. That's not on Robins at all.
I was shocked watching the highlights back last night, just how dominant Wrexham were in the air.
Grendel
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Gyokeres played 75 minutes
shmmeee
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Yeah he reliably runs back to his position five yards from influencing the game whatsoever. Then when the ball gets passed past him he diligently runs five yards away from the next player. Such discipline.
Grendel
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we’d have won t gane easily if hamer Allen and Gyokeres started the game
Fair enough if he decided to rest then but we could have looked at other things
Dabo had no movement at all so he could easily have started Kane in that game who could have hogged the right wing and fired balls into an extremely suspect keeper - Dabo was no use whatsoever
Burroughs is not a wing back at all and seems incapable of running down the line even when in a favoured left position
A midfield 3 of Kelly palmer and sheaf is asking for trouble - when the opposition have possession the ability to recover is nil. Then they moved wide and neither wing back could prevent crosses or giving away fouls
If he’s not wanting to win the game fair enough but then bringing on Allen and Hamer so late was a nonsense decision
He didn’t react quick enough and started with a formation inviting trouble
Otis
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I do have to say, the midfield line-up did worry me when the team was announced yesterday evening.
You would have to think that Kelly should be good enough against non-league opposition though.
The team he picked was garbage…..it was that team that included Moore ( needs an eyesight check ), Kelly ( clearly unfit ), Waghorn ( waste of a wage ), Tavares ( He obviously doesn’t rate him himself ) Dabo ( dreadful ) and a mishmash of defenders who clearly can’t win a header.
Our first 11 when all fit are pretty decent together but their back up players are dire and there is a lot of money tied up in that inadequate pack. Im a fan of MR but he signed those players and has wasted scant resources. As for our injury record…..what is causing so many to break down ?!
Otis
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Umm, wasn't nearly everyone saying that we should start with Moore last night?
fernandopartridge
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Your Allen fixation is tedious
I just don’t see where the money is going to come from.
stupot07
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Kelly may have been ok if we'd played the box or in a 3 was with Allen or Hamer. But w ok th 2 strikers and Palmer there is too much ground to cover in there. It was the same last week in the league when we dropped Sheaf and just played Allen and Hamer.
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Otis
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I used to have a fixation on Karen Allen at one point, if that helps any
So much so I even then went out with a girl who's name was Karen Allen.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The 'mishmash of defenders' was basically our current first choice defence (but with Burroughs in for Doyle).
Absolutely. It was a ridiculous team selection if we wanted to win the game. If we didn't why did he bring those players on?
We had a midfield of Sheaf and Kelly and a forward line of Tavares and Waghorn. There are no goals in that.
The message of that team from Robins was I am not bothered but then it us puzzling that he brought Guokeres and Hamer in. He really didn't have a plan at all.
In games like this you either have to go in with the right attitude or accept defeat. Robins did neither.
Why play Allen away at Sheffield United where he is not quite good enough but not against Wrexham when he could have run the show. Playing Kelly with Sheaf was crazy.
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stupot07
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To be fair, having seen the highlights back the only goal Moore was at fault for was the second which I have no idea what he was thinking. I don't think he could have done much else with the other 3. Talking of howlers, look at Allison last night too.
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stevefloyd
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I think I was still drunk when I made that comment or maybe I was being sarcastic
Otis
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Yup. I think the cross just caught him completely unaware. Poor really, but he just totally misjudged it.
pusbccfc
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Fair summary IMO -
"A National League club, even one with Disney financing, takes its place in this year’s fourth round draw. Now, does that actually count as a giantkilling?
Coventry, a club in limbo with a takeover “imminent” since November, have no such access to funding."
Non-league Wrexham secure FA Cup upset at Coventry in seven-goal epic
The National League side pulled off a thrilling 4-3 win at Championship playoff challengers Coventry who were reduced to 10 menwww.theguardian.com
Good point. We are club without a ground with years of poor ownership. They are funded by Hollywood with players yesterday on more than some of ours.
Goals obviously weren't the problem. We could have scored 8. The issue was the defending and it was basically the first choice defence so I don't see how that can be pinned on Robins as a selection problem.
SkyBlueMatt
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They are a very good NL team.
The team he put out should have been good enough. Do you think that apart from the famous 4, our squad is non league level?
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Cata
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Disagree with the ability to recover possession is nil. Ben Sheaf is one of the top rated midfielders in the championship, based on tackling stats not opinion. Of the 321 players assessed on the "Fotmob" app he was 18th with an average of 1.6 successful tackles per 90 minutes and a success rate of 56% If that doesn't sound much, the highest in the league was 2.1 per game. Of course there are other ways of winning possession, such as intercepts etc. I would agree he too had a poor start yesterday, but came goods afterwards.
Since when was Bidwell a centre back? To me that was the issue. Doyle has to start against old fashioned big lumpy strikers and play bidwell in his correct position.
Nick
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If he has made changes at half time then we have more of a chance as well.
He didn't, as usual.
Same as Swansea where everybody in the ground knew there were getting back into it.
They were always going to raise their game for a tie like this. Playing a really disjointed team with a keeper in terrible form, two holding midfielders and two strikers who are extremely unlikely to score is a recipe for disaster.
We didn't have to play a full strength team but one if Allen and Hamer should have played at least. Gyokeres from the start rather than coming in would have made this much easier.
