Manager interviews ongoing - from the official (2 Viewers)

[sky blue john]

Where did I say that? :thinking about:

All I am saying that this appointment needs to be the right one for the future not just for a short term fix.

Have explained why I am totally uninspired by Brown. For me his star is on the wane. One great spell, downhill since.

It's not just Brown. Feel exactly the same way about Ince too amongst others.

A manager is paid to inspire the players not the fans !!!
This is a problem in the mordern game to many people trying to get involved and its fans expectations like yours Otis that gets managers sacked.
Just leave the manager to get on with his job whoever it will be. He will have a big enough task just turning the players into a team !!!

 

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[theprince]

Was very unlucky with Bullard who got seriously crocked second match in, can't blame Brown for that

 

[Grendel]

A manager is paid to inspire the players not the fans !!!
This is a problem in the mordern game to many people trying to get involved and its fans expectations like yours Otis that gets managers sacked.
Just leave the manager to get on with his job whoever it will be. He will have a big enough task just turning the players into a team !!!

If a manager inspires players into positive performances which improve results he will surely by definition become popular with supporters.

 

[Otis]

The danger is that Brown is another Dowie or Coleman. Someone who demonstrated brief success at one club which was not again repeated. I know a few Hull fans and they say he became a laughing stock by the end of his tenure then. I would really be concerned at his ability to resolve the many issues at the club.

Very easy to see why people would be against Brown but for the likes of Chris Wilder for instance.

Brown - 3 managerial positions, sacked from all 3.

Wilder - 2 managerial positions, never sacked.

Brown win ratio's, last 3 clubs

15%
33%
29%


Wilder win ratio's, 2 clubs

38%
46%


One on the wane, the other on the rise. Brown's last achievement .... 3 years ago.

 

[WestEndAgro]

Shaw is likely to be in charge against Tranmere, according to SSN , no new appointment this week with interviews / discussions continuing.

 

[Otis]

A manager is paid to inspire the players not the fans !!!
This is a problem in the mordern game to many people trying to get involved and its fans expectations like yours Otis that gets managers sacked.
Just leave the manager to get on with his job whoever it will be. He will have a big enough task just turning the players into a team !!!

If the manager doesn't inspire the fans they will stop going.

 

[Otis]

Shaw is likely to be in charge against Tranmere, according to SSN , no new appointment this week with interviews / discussions continuing.

Good.

Would almost be certain that someone from the club is looking what the fans are saying about the candidates. Hopefully that will push Brown out of the reckoning!

 

[Shooting2win]

We cannot give the job to Shaw!!! What is he possibly not doing now that he would do if he had the job full time?!! He's in the job at the minute that he wants; he's got all the resources, players and staff that he'd have if he gets the job and he's not succeeding now! The performances ive witnessed under him as caretaker were in no way inspiring or oozed confidence and that is what we need the permanent manager to do.

I pray they get this decision right!

 

[@richh87]

Very easy to see why people would be against Brown but for the likes of Chris Wilder for instance.

Brown - 3 managerial positions, sacked from all 3.

Wilder - 2 managerial positions, never sacked.

Brown win ratio's, last 3 clubs

15%
33%
29%


Wilder win ratio's, 2 clubs

38%
46%


One on the wane, the other on the rise. Brown's last achievement .... 3 years ago.

That season staying up in the Premier League really killed his Hull stats. I suppose he should have won that league just to make his stats look a bit better in your world

Thank God Chris Wilder (is that his name? Does anybody really know who he is?) is available. We wouldn't want to hire someone who took a shit team to the Premier League, not when Chris Wilder??! is available.

 

[@richh87]

The danger is that Brown is another Dowie or Coleman. Someone who demonstrated brief success at one club which was not again repeated. I know a few Hull fans and they say he became a laughing stock by the end of his tenure then. I would really be concerned at his ability to resolve the many issues at the club.

I don't think Hull fans would describe him as a laughing stock.

[video]http://youtu.be/7hcKyasPFHI[/video]

 

[Sick Boy]

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=297&fid=148&act=1&mid=2114111416

Thought he'd finish up at a better club than Coventry. Good manager IMO. Good luck Phil!!

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

That season staying up in the Premier League really killed his Hull stats. I suppose he should have won that league just to make his stats look a bit better in your world

Thank God Chris Wilder (is that his name? Does anybody really know who he is?) is available. We wouldn't want to hire someone who took a shit team to the Premier League, not when Chris Wilder??! is available.

Maybe he should have lost the play off final and spent another season smashing the championship apart to improve his win %

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

whilst we are talking of win % Ian Dowie had nearly a 41% win at Coventry

 

[@richh87]

Maybe he should have lost the play off final and spent another season smashing the championship apart to improve his win %

Haha, yep - if he really wanted to impress Otis that's exactly what he should've done.

 

[Otis]

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=297&fid=148&act=1&mid=2114111416

But this is exactly the point!

Hull fans in the main say positive things about him, Preston fans in the main say very negative things about him.

Hence my comment saying he once did well and now his star's on the wane.

Some people on here describe him as a miracle worker and very good manager and my answer to that continually is:

1. If he's this miracle worker and really good manager why has he been sacked from the 3 managerial positions he has held?

2. Why was he such a failure at Preston, a team in this same division as us?

3. If he's such a good manager why hasn't he been snapped up by someone else? And why has he been out of work since last November? Been plenty of vacancies elsewhere.
Surely he'd be in high demand wouldn't he?

4. His win ratio (let's forget about Hull at the moment, cos people keep telling me it was unfair as it was in the Premier against much better opposition) in his last tenure was 29%. That is going to get us nowhere at all.


When the vacancy here came up hardly anyone even mentioned Phil Brown and hardly anyone recommended him.

There was a 'who should be next City manager' poll on here two weeks ago. 283 people voted. Just 5 people voted for Phil Brown.

Only 5 people voted for this miracle worker? Two weeks ago no-one mentioned him and now all of a sudden the guy is a 'miracle worker?' How stupid were we all not to select him!

Read some of the comments of the Preston board and they think he is a clueless clown.

People can point to Brown taking Hull up to the Premier. Peter Reid took Sunderland up to the Premier twice. Does that make him a good manager? He might have been some time ago. Star now very much on the wane and has been for quite a while. Which is exactly my point. You can't just point to something that happened 3 years ago and hold it out like some sort of beacon.

Iain Dowie took Palace up to the Premier. Good manager? One season of success, downhill since.

Just don't see how anyone can just look at Phil Brown's taking Hull up to the Premiership in isolation without looking at the whole picture.

Success followed by failure and no more success after that initial success.

Only 5 out of 283. That tells you everything.

If he had had success, then failure then success again then I would have an entirely different view of him.

 

[Diehard Si]

Micky Adams and Aidy both won promotion too

 

[Gaz]

No one on here has ever said Brown is a miracle worker Otis,, you shouldn't make things up just to support your view.

Also Harry Redknapp was sacked in his last job, so does that make him a rubbish manager who's star is on the wane too ?

 

[Otis]

No one on here has ever said Brown is a miracle worker Otis,, you shouldn't make things up just to support your view.

Also Harry Redknapp was sacked in his last job, so does that make him a rubbish manager who's star is on the wane too ?

Err .... Rich87 said he was a miracle worker.

Somewhere on this thread I think. He definitely said it. Why would you think I just made that up? I was quoting someone!

As for Redknapp ..... success, failure, success, failure, success. Proves he can do it I would think. Success followed by failure and then failure and nothing after that points to something quite different.

 

[Otis]

@rich87

What about Hull City miracle worker Phil Brown?


There you go, Gaz. Made it up did I?

 

[@richh87]

Yeah at Hull he worked miracles. And?!

I'm getting tired of hearing this 'star is on the wane bollocks'. Management is about decision making - they're not athletes who get old and past it - or singers whose musical style goes out of fashion.

By your Redknapp logic if Phil Brown has a stormer here then it proves he was very good all along.

 

[@richh87]

Anyway, I'm spending too much time defending him - considering it's Dennis Wise I want.

 

[stevo_ccfc]

For me Holloway's "star was on the wane" before he got the Blackpool job, a gobby long ball merchant who played horrible football and had been sacked from Leicester after only 6 months. Then after a year out of the game it was all change, and the rest we know

 

[stupot07]

For me Holloway's "star was on the wane" before he got the Blackpool job, a gobby long ball merchant who played horrible football and had been sacked from Leicester after only 6 months. Then after a year out of the game it was all change, and the rest we know

Hmmm not really - Leicester is his only blip on his CV, and your forgetting that Leicester was a step up from Plymouth in terms of size, finance and expectations.

Brown on the other hand had been in the PL relegated and sacked then went to a smaller club and got relegated into League One and sacked.

 

[Otis]

Hmmm not really - Leicester is his only blip on his CV, and your forgetting that Leicester was a step up from Plymouth in terms of size, finance and expectations.

Brown on the other hand had been in the PL relegated and sacked then went to a smaller club and got relegated into League One and sacked.

Yep, totally disagree with that also.

I have always rated Holloway. He's done alright pretty much everywhere he's been.

 

[Otis]

Yeah at Hull he worked miracles. And?!

I'm getting tired of hearing this 'star is on the wane bollocks'. Management is about decision making - they're not athletes who get old and past it - or singers whose musical style goes out of fashion.

By your Redknapp logic if Phil Brown has a stormer here then it proves he was very good all along.

They don't get past it?

Please explain Peter Reid to me then? Two promotions with Sunderland and was the bees knees at one point in time.

Would anyone now touch Peter Reid with a barge pole?

 

[ricohman]

In defence of holloway, who havent leicster sacked in recent years

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

So who do we think is the final 3?

 

[Otis]

So who do we think is the final 3?

As I said on another thread, it's a melon, a banana and Phil Brown.

Phil Brown is 3rd favourite at the moment.