shmmeee
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Out of interest why would you not have any more? Would that apply if a doctor advised it too?
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Out of interest why would you not have any more? Would that apply if a doctor advised it too?
Skybluefaz
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My two penneth on this:
A. I thought further mutations would lead to milder infection, at least that was my interpretation of the science.
B. We have the vaccine and drugs to treat infection so why bother requiring a test to enter the country?
A. I thought further mutations would lead to milder infection, at least that was my interpretation of the science.
B. We have the vaccine and drugs to treat infection so why bother requiring a test to enter the country?
skybluetony176
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A) I think you’re possibly right.
B) We already have a failing NHS, it’s flu season, last thing we need is people ending up in hospital with covid in large numbers.
clint van damme
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Too late, covid, a nasty flu and RSV all putting an incredible strain on the NHS.
It's going to be a tough winter for the doctors and nurses.
Terry Gibson's perm
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Well if it’s all just a media panic anyway then we obviously don’t need the government to act at all, but I’ll humour you. What if case rates in, say, the West Midlands hit the same levels as they are in China? A local lockdown maybe? A tier system, for old times sake?
If it’s fine for you and me to walk around with Covid, fully vaccinated or otherwise, why is it a problem if someone from another country wants to fly here and do the same?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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A dose of the clap would just make matters worse wouldn't it?They will be ok just a little clap will keep them going
chiefdave
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The official explanation appears to be that we, and other countries, are monitoring and sharing data regarding potential new variants of concern but Chinese data isn't to be trusted. It's true that new variants could be milder, it's also true there could be new variants that evade vaccines and / or are more deadly
Of course that explanation falls down slightly as we're going to stop publishing data in the new year. Although publishing might be the key word there. Is the data still being collected and shared, if it is would be odd to stop publishing it which can't be much work
So we’re slapping travel restrictions on anywhere where we can’t accurately trace new variants or high case rates? Could be a fun spring in the UK once the tier system kicks back in - @Saddlebrains will be delighted.
The government shouldn’t implement “pointless” and expensive policies because of peer pressure or media pressure. If they don’t have the conviction to do anything other than just follow the crowd, what’s the point in voting for them?
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A. Probably but not necessarily
B. Because they are concerned that China is not being open and therefore there us a greater risk of a strain that is resistant to current vaccines. The testing would be an opportunity to pick this up.
Saddlebrains
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Caught it last christmas. Other than being a bit tired i wouldnt have known i had it, only tested as a friend was heavily pregnant and due to come and visit us for the day and i was positive.
Just like to think 2 jabs and a natural infection should be enough at 32 to fight it off. Seems the case so far
OffenhamSkyBlue
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A: There is no way of predicting whether mutations would lead to milder or more severe infection - it's random mutation followed by selective pressure. In many cases a virus WILL mutate to produce a milder infection, because that is the best way of it passing from one host to the next - Omicron has essentially become fixed in the UK population because the vaccine, in combination with that old chestnut "herd immunity", means that (in general) people get a milder disease, don't drop down dead or have to isolate, and are able to pass it on. That is all a virus "wants" to happen.
However, the worry is that a new mutation will occur that leads to a much more serious illness and can potentially evade the vaccines. China's vaccine programme has been, according to all available data, shit - which is why the moment they have released people from their "zero covid" measures, about one-quarter of the entire population have become infected. They can then get infected with multiple variants at the same time which can lead to crossover of genetic information and potentially a new and quite different strain, even perhaps with a new coat protein.
Most of the vaccines are targeted at the Spike protein - if that mutates too far, it MAY evade the vaccine, but it is more likely that it simply won't bind to its natural receptor so won't cause disease.
Sorry for the complicated and slightly circular answer!
Grendel
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Bet masks will be back soon
news.sky.com
New COVID variant 'could be the one to watch out for in 2023' after surge in cases, expert warns
Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, highlighted an Omicron variant after a scientist said cases had more than doubled in the US in a week.
shmmeee
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Bet masks will be back soon
New COVID variant 'could be the one to watch out for in 2023' after surge in cases, expert warns
Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, highlighted an Omicron variant after a scientist said cases had more than doubled in the US in a week.
Should be standard in crowded places over winter anyway TBH. Asians got it right after SARS. But they didn’t make it a weird culture war thing.
Evo1883
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Just want to say its worth mentioning , I too had a heart issue at an extraordinarily young age not long after my vaccine
It's hard to completely disregard what a cardiologist is saying here , although I appreciate he has some opinions on diets and statins which I don't agree with totally
It's hard to completely disregard what a cardiologist is saying here , although I appreciate he has some opinions on diets and statins which I don't agree with totally
Brighton Sky Blue
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The cardiologist has clearly missed the research paper based upon tens of millions of vaccinations which showed that the vaccine does indeed offer a statistically significant rise in cardiovascular 'incidents'. The only problem for him is that the same paper showed that a Covid infection did that even more so.
If more excess cardiovascular deaths are happening, it's frankly more likely to be the virus itself.
Evo1883
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So it's a hard one for me , because my heart issue happened 7 days after having covid and about 28 days after my jab ...
I'm sat here not really knowing what to think , it's hard
Brighton Sky Blue
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In your case it's hard to say. But the evidence from a huge number of jabs tells us that Covid increases your risk of heart problems to a greater extent than the vaccine, across all ages.
Sky Blue Pete
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Course but the evidence is there for all to see and it’s not from the outlier voices
Esoterica
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Statins are virtually useless in preventing heart attacks. Cholesterol is used by the body to repair itself and Statins, by lowering 'bad' cholesterol, have the side effect of stopping the body getting the 'good' cholesterol to where it's actually needed, like the brain or damaged arteries. High cholesterol levels are often seen in heart attack/disease patients, but it's actually the body trying to repair the underlying damage not the cause of the issue.
David Diamond is a neuroscientist and professor at the University of South Florida - 15 years ago he was identified as being at a very high risk of a heart attack and spent the next 15 years researching cardiovascular disease, nutrition, cholesterol. His findings are really amazing and if you have a spare hour here and there, his lectures are well worth a watch. (he's not some facebook Mum injecting bleach up his nose, I promise). Diet is key, which is essentially what the guy in the twitter video is saying too.
nicksar
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My Wife has Covid for the 2nd time and has been really unwell,she tested clear this morning but is still feeling unwell....Me?... no symptoms whatsoever and I've been testing daily and all negative (was exactly the same last time she had it),worth adding we have slept in the same bed all week.
Last Christmas literally everyone in my extended family had Covid bar myself.
Last Christmas literally everyone in my extended family had Covid bar myself.
skybluetony176
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Is there a lazier, bigger freeloader in the UK than Boris Johnson?
Sick Boy
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I caught it a few months ago and had managed to avoid it since the start of the pandemic, even when my GF had it and we slept in the same bed. Around the time I caught it I had flown something like 8 times in a month and was expecting to catch it then...instead, I think I ended up catching it at my local on a Friday night and then got symptoms the following Monday.
Since catching it I have been ill several times...the last time I was properly ill was probably 2012...it's very strange.
Evo1883
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COVID-19 most likely leaked from Wuhan lab, says US Energy Department
A classified intelligence report concluded that the virus which sparked the pandemic probably came from a Chinese lab but was not part of a weapons program.
skybluetony176
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Can’t say I’m surprised. I read an article last year about scientists being unable to find a single case in wild animals thought/suggested to be behind the original outbreak.COVID-19 most likely leaked from Wuhan lab, says US Energy Department
A classified intelligence report concluded that the virus which sparked the pandemic probably came from a Chinese lab but was not part of a weapons program.
COVID-19 most likely leaked from Wuhan lab, says US Energy Department
A classified intelligence report concluded that the virus which sparked the pandemic probably came from a Chinese lab but was not part of a weapons program.
If true they should be forking out significant sums in international reparations, not for the leak itself but the cover up and delays in responses caused by it. Not only might it have been better contained (long shot due to highly contagious nature of virus) but providing specifically what had been leaked and the data behind it, might’ve enabled pharmaceutical companies to produce quicker and better vaccines. Not doing so has probably lead to hundreds of thousands or millions more deaths, not to mention 100s billions in the cost of lockdowns. They and Russia are perfect bedfellows
Sick Boy
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If their data was that helpful, surely they'd have been able to produce better vaccines themselves.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Shows how grateful we should be to have genuinely world class scientific expertise in this country.
As BSB indicates, depends on the quality of their scientists, what restrictions they’ve been working under etc. I’m no scientist (obviously) but id be shocked if exactly what had been released/leaked was immediately shared with scientists around the world, vaccines couldn’t have produced even quicker (it was a miracle what they did anyway).
Brighton Sky Blue
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Besides the limitation of technology, I'd say the biggest barrier to scientific progress is people not sharing when experiments don't work. This is like that but on a far more damaging scale. If they had shared all their data it could have made governments (at least those who were interested) implement more appropriate safeguards from the beginning and accelerate the time taken for a vaccine to come.