skybluetony176
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I’d rather we’re selling arms to Ukraine than Saudi Arabia.
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USSR invades Ukraine. (35 Viewers)
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Can't remember where I posted that I didn't support Ukraine.
Skybluefaz
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An interesting window into life over in Ukraine.
shmmeee
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Can’t remember where I said you didn’t. I meant it’s not a reason for a country not to support Ukraine.
skybluetony176
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These Russian oligarchs aren’t half unlucky
Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov dies in Indian hotel fall
Meat millionaire Pavel Antov, who recently denied criticising the war in Ukraine, had just turned 65.
www.bbc.co.uk
eastwoodsdustman
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They really ought to stick to bungalows and ground floor flats.These Russian oligarchs aren’t half unlucky
Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov dies in Indian hotel fall
Meat millionaire Pavel Antov, who recently denied criticising the war in Ukraine, had just turned 65.www.bbc.co.uk
Mcbean
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Excellent program last night on the beeb about the small groups of Soldiers in Ukraine on the front line - it was shot I guess just before they made it into Kherson as that was right at the end - people who were teachers architects before made into tactical groups of fighters. Really shows the new drone warfare techniques - some a bit more miss than hit with the older mortar technology
Flying Fokker
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So this is Russia.
shmmeee
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Was in The Herbert today and they’ve got a letter from the women of Volgograd to the women of Coventry in their about how proud they are that their husbands are off fighting fascists…
Took on a whole different tone with current events but also obvious how easy it would be to play on that pride for nefarious reasons.
Took on a whole different tone with current events but also obvious how easy it would be to play on that pride for nefarious reasons.
Otis
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My soon to be ex-wife is from Volgograd.
Isn't that letter an old letter though about Russia fighting off fascists in WWII?
I know there was a letter, because my wife was a translator when a party came over to visit Coventry a few years back .
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I think that's the point he's making - it relates to WWII but could so easily be have been written today.
In a way it's depressing that these things just seem to go on endlessly and we just let the next bunch of egotistical maniacs ruin peoples lives just because they're deluded into thinking they're special. Even sadder still that there will be always be people that fall for it despite all the warnings of history.
Otis
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Ah yes. I just picked up on the "ARE fighting off fascists," and thought Shmmeee was talking in current terms.
I read it three times and couldn't get my head around it.
shmmeee
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Yeah it was from WW2. It’s got the original Russian and a translation. In the peace and reconciliation exhibit.
Otis
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Yeah, I do know about it. You would be surprised just how many Russians from Volgograd there are here in Coventry.
Since my ex came over in 2002, she must have met at least 35 plus.
It is a huge region of Russia though.
tisza
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Officially Coventry and volvograd were twin cities. Council cancelled it last year because of Ukraine.
Otis
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Yes, exactly. I think they have removed the signs for Volgograd place too.
Flying Fokker
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So, not only do the Russians think America is satan
uk.yahoo.com
U.S. policy like Hitler's 'Final Solution': Russia
STORY: Lavrov, who caused an international furore last year with remarks about Hitler, also said Washington was using the same tactic as Napoleon and the Nazis in trying to subjugate Europe in order to destroy Russia.The 'Final Solution' was Hitler's Holocaust blueprint, which led to the...
Flying Fokker
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Vladimir Putin makes ominous threat as he vows to 'end' Ukraine war
Vladimir Putin has pledged to bring the conflict in Ukraine to an end with an "inevitable" Russian victory as he looked to rally troops in St Petersburgh on Wednesday.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Irony being that many of Putin's actions echo Hitler's to a large degree.So, not only do the Russians think America is satan
U.S. policy like Hitler's 'Final Solution': Russia
STORY: Lavrov, who caused an international furore last year with remarks about Hitler, also said Washington was using the same tactic as Napoleon and the Nazis in trying to subjugate Europe in order to destroy Russia.The 'Final Solution' was Hitler's Holocaust blueprint, which led to the...
Flying Fokker
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SBAndy
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Didn’t they try that once already? And that was with proper soldiers that had trained for that particular exercise.
tisza
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Possibly go more towards lviv and isolate Kiev from the west. Disrupt supplies from Poland etc.
It is just weight of numbers. Also possibly trying to draw Ukrainian resources from the South which are being held there for a push towards Kreminna and Melitipol.
Troops already there are ill equipped. So Russia going to have to commit whatever resources they've been holding back. Shit or bust?
Said it (back in the spring) still not easy to move numbers from the North due to the marshy terrain limiting routes. Ukraine has been building defenses around these routes since the last attempt failed.not easy to move large numbers of troops that way.
But the issue is they don't have enough (decent) weapons, ammo, food, logistics, clothes, supplies etc etc for the soldiers they have at the moment
They won't be able to feed and clothe another 500k
Flying Fokker
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A lost nation?
Flying Fokker
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Reading ‘The Gates of Europe- Serhii Plokhy
Amazon product ASIN 0141980613
it’s a thorough overview of the history of what is now Ukraine. Vikings, Mongols, Turks, Byzantium Crusaders, lithuanian,poles, (All ad 800 to 1300). God knows what else there is between then and The Crimean War.
Me thinks they will try and pile in to Kiev. From Belarus, perhaps using elite forces from that country and bag carriers from Russia? Either way, we could be in for a busy 12 months in Europe. That whole East/west are has such a lot of history. The Balkans, Slavic countries, clashing faith groups and old alliances. Countries like Lithuania (Much of Ukraine was annexed by them hundreds of years ago), will be looking at this as well. In my view, it may come to NATO feet on the ground (Oficially). No special operation, just defending the borders. it‘s absolutely spot on that Russia does not have the weapons for conventional war. I also think that Crimea needs to be cut off. Maybe it will be as a result of Russia‘s new offensives, but the sooner that happens, the better. Here’s hoping that the west weapon supply is in full swing.
tisza
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Difficulty going straight from Belarus to Kiev is the terrain. This time of year it's marshland with few serviceable roads through it. Know the area.
If they are setting up for a longer conflict then starving supplies from west would mean needing to cut through more towards lviv.
If they push through to Melitipol then the bridge from Russia to Crimea becomes vulnerable. That severely isolates Crimea.
Still don't see NATO getting involved unless significant change in circumstances. German reluctance to let Poland supply tanks shows how far away that might be.
Flying Fokker
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Yes, I think some of the issues last year were caused by the time of the invasion as well. The Winter Olympics?
I just want Russia out of there.
just saw this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-64343274
tisza
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It's a key area. Wait too long and it could be too late.
Influx of Leopards could deter incursions from Belarus.
Germany wants to lead Europe but now can't make leadership decisions.
New tactic…500k nude Russians running around in the fields
‘They have us over a barrel’: Inside the US and German standoff over sending tanks to Ukraine | CNN Politics
The Biden administration is stuck in a standoff with Germany over whether to send tanks to Ukraine ahead of a key meeting of Western defense leaders in Germany on Friday.
At least UK, Poland, Finland and Baltic states are doing our/their bit in trying to get the rest to up the ante. Germany haven’t even given other countries the go ahead to send their own leopards ?!
Flying Fokker
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Picked this up off The Pinkun.
The history of the Crimea is extremely complicated. It was Russian before it was Ukranian, but retains a strong ethnic Russian populace. Note the highlighted first sentence of the last paragraph.
"In 1783, the Russian Empire annexed Crimea after an earlier war with Turkey. Crimea's strategic position led to the 1854 Crimean War and many short lived regimes following the 1917 Russian Revolution. When the Bolsheviks secured Crimea it became an autonomous soviet republic within Russia. During World War II, Crimea was downgraded to an oblast. In 1944 Crimean Tatars were ethnically cleansed and deported under the orders of Joseph Stalin, in what has been described as a cultural genocide. The USSR transferred Crimea to Ukraine on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1954.
After Ukrainian independence in 1991 the central government and Crimea clashed, with the region being granted more autonomy. The Soviet fleet in Crimea was also in contention but a 1997 treaty allowed Russia to continue basing its fleet in Sevastopol. In 2014, the Russians occupied the peninsula and organized an illegal referendum in support of Russian annexation, but most countries recognize Crimea as Ukrainian terr
The history of the Crimea is extremely complicated. It was Russian before it was Ukranian, but retains a strong ethnic Russian populace. Note the highlighted first sentence of the last paragraph.
"In 1783, the Russian Empire annexed Crimea after an earlier war with Turkey. Crimea's strategic position led to the 1854 Crimean War and many short lived regimes following the 1917 Russian Revolution. When the Bolsheviks secured Crimea it became an autonomous soviet republic within Russia. During World War II, Crimea was downgraded to an oblast. In 1944 Crimean Tatars were ethnically cleansed and deported under the orders of Joseph Stalin, in what has been described as a cultural genocide. The USSR transferred Crimea to Ukraine on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1954.
After Ukrainian independence in 1991 the central government and Crimea clashed, with the region being granted more autonomy. The Soviet fleet in Crimea was also in contention but a 1997 treaty allowed Russia to continue basing its fleet in Sevastopol. In 2014, the Russians occupied the peninsula and organized an illegal referendum in support of Russian annexation, but most countries recognize Crimea as Ukrainian terr
Flying Fokker
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Having read about Russia stating that NATO is at war with Russia, I came across a couple of academic assessments of what Russia does and its having conditioned their society.
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