USSR invades Ukraine. (39 Viewers)

[PVA]

So it carries on for 10 years with more death torture and destruction

Nice

You've just said collateral damage is unfortunate but necessary. Are you OK with innocent civilians dying or not? Or does that just depend on whatever point you're making at the time?

 

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[Grendel]

Got you, it’s reading comprehension issues. Good luck with that.

You are clueless. I bet you supported Blair and his meddling in Iraq

 

[Grendel]

It’s

You've just said collateral damage is unfortunate but necessary. Are you OK with innocent civilians dying or not? Or does that just depend on whatever point you're making at the time?

it’s you that’s prepared for civilians to die not me.

It needs a negotiated settlement and a peace deal not a tortuous elongated war which Russia will carry on and on.

In the end Ukraine will be destroyed and a shell of a country with its economy finished. That’s the reality unless a compromise is reached and territories agreed.

This will not end without peace talks

 

[skybluetony176]

The US would massively disagree with you. They are seeing an incredible return for very little investment.

I think I read/heard somewhere that the US has spent the equivalent of 2 months of their annual military budget supporting Ukraine so far. Ukraine has made Russia military might look second rate thanks in part to that support and not a single American soldier has lost their life. Think of the money and lives that the US lost in the Cold War in comparison, especially in Asia. On that basis it’s the best return on investment in Americas military history.

 

[PVA]

It’s


it’s you that’s prepared for civilians to die not me.

It needs a negotiated settlement and a peace deal not a tortuous elongated war which Russia will carry on and on.

In the end Ukraine will be destroyed and a shell of a country with its economy finished. That’s the reality unless a compromise is reached and territories agreed.

This will not end without peace talks

Oh yes your predictions have been absolutely bang on so far haven't they.

Remember when you said Kiev was going to be taken inside a week?

 

[PVA]

I think I read/heard somewhere that the US has spent the equivalent of 2 months of their annual military budget supporting Ukraine so far.

That was probably my post the other day

And it was about 3 weeks worth last time I checked. Absolute peanuts to them.

 

[PVA]

it’s you that’s prepared for civilians to die not me.

'let them crack on with it'

Fuck off

 

[Grendel]

'let them crack on with it'

Fuck off

You want no talks. You want the war to carry on - more men women and children dying or in abject poverty for decades to come

At least own it

 

[PVA]

You want no talks. You want the war to carry on - more men women and children dying or in abject poverty for decades to come

At least own it

I don't want talks because Russia are untrustworthy bastards and its utterly pointless. As if they'll stick to whatever they agree. I want Russia out of Ukraine.

You literally said you want Russia to crack on and rape and pillage their way through Ukraine so fuck off with your moral high horse, utter c**t.

 

[David O'Day]

Hey Grenners, when are the Russians rolling into Kyiv?

 

[PVA]

What a shock as this thread was a perfectly amenable discussion topic until Grendelov returns.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think I read/heard somewhere that the US has spent the equivalent of 2 months of their annual military budget supporting Ukraine so far. Ukraine has made Russia military might look second rate thanks in part to that support and not a single American soldier has lost their life. Think of the money and lives that the US lost in the Cold War in comparison, especially in Asia. On that basis it’s the best return on investment in Americas military history.

Why are you taking about a return on investment?

 

[Grendel]

What a shock as this thread was a perfectly amenable discussion topic until Grendelov returns.

What you mean is everyone was agreeing with your nonsense view of this war

 

[Grendel]

Why are you taking about a return on investment?

it’s just bizarre!

 

[PVA]

What you mean is everyone was agreeing with your nonsense view of this war

No what I mean is the bloke who wanted Russia to crack on with raping and murdering their way through another country has no right to take any moral superiority.

 

[skybluetony176]

Why are you taking about a return on investment?

I was agreeing with PVA who was responding to a specific comment your mate made, and I quote “I’m not seeing much reward from a cost benefit perspective”. If you have an issue with talking about the war in those terms I suggest you take up with your mate not me. Who is now finding his own perspective “bizarre”. Now that is bizarre.

 

[Grendel]

No what I mean is the bloke who wanted Russia to crack on with raping and murdering their way through another country has no right to take any moral superiority.

Did you support the Iraq war?

 

[PVA]

Did you support the Iraq war?

Firstly, what relevance does that have to your support of Russia murdering and raping their way through another country?

Secondly, I was 13 at the time so had no real opinion or understanding of it.

 

[Grendel]

Firstly, what relevance does that have to your support of Russia murdering and raping their way through another country?

Secondly, I was 13 at the time so had no real opinion or understanding of it.

Regarding understanding nothings really changed has it

 

[PVA]

Regarding understanding nothings really changed has it

Well I understand perfectly well that someone who supports the rape and murder of innocent people has no right to take the moral high ground.

Also, please work on your grammar and punctuation.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They are insignificant compared to a war involving opposing nuclear powers, how is that difficult to comprehend?

So is the answer just to let Putin take every country he wants because he threatens nukes? 'Might is right'

If we just say it's insignificant compared to nuclear powers, how many countries do we let him take because they're 'insignificant'? Every single one that isn't a nuclear power?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Ukraine aren’t able to fight back now with out a significant waste of nato milatary hardware and resources

i expect a non nato country to deal with its own mess unless the nato alliance get something back

I’m not seeing much reward from a cost benefit perspective

"Significant waste of military hardware and resources"?

Yeah, bloody wasteful Ukrainians, spaffing it all fighting an invading army.

 

[Grendel]

Well I understand perfectly well that someone who supports the rape and murder of innocent people has no right to take the moral high ground.

Also, please work on your grammar and punctuation.

Punctuation on a football forum? That actually says a lot about you.

You seem to be mentioning rape and murder frequently as if that’s going to make me rather ashamed.

I hate to break this to you - and I guess it’s like when you were told the tooth fairy doesn’t exist - but rape torture (oh no my punctuation) and death strangely happens in war.

Your chums in the US rather enjoy that - a good old dose of Nepalm as well when it suits. That cuddly guy JFK - who I’m sure you’d see as a good guy - really liked it and once consider (couldn’t be bothered to correct) dropping a nuclear bomb on India.

You are at Astute levels of irony here. You think it’s somehow clever to assign rape and torture across to me whilst backing a US strategy that will actively encourage it and very much consider it the price worth paying.

 

[PVA]

Punctuation on a football forum? That actually says a lot about you.

You seem to be mentioning rape and murder frequently as if that’s going to make me rather ashamed.

I hate to break this to you - and I guess it’s like when you were told the tooth fairy doesn’t exist - but rape torture (oh no my punctuation) and death strangely happens in war.

Your chums in the US rather enjoy that - a good old dose of Nepalm as well when it suits. That cuddly guy JFK - who I’m sure you’d see as a good guy - really liked it and once consider (couldn’t be bothered to correct) dropping a nuclear bomb on India.

You are at Astute levels of irony here. You think it’s somehow clever to assign rape and torture across to me whilst backing a US strategy that will actively encourage it and very much consider it the price worth paying.

I'm not trying to shame you, I just think you're a fucking bellend with some appalling viewpoints and the most hypocritical person I think I've ever come across

And what does thinking your grammar is appalling say about me?

 

[Grendel]

So is the answer just to let Putin take every country he wants because he threatens nukes? 'Might is right'

If we just say it's insignificant compared to nuclear powers, how many countries do we let him take because they're 'insignificant'? Every single one that isn't a nuclear power?

Ukraine are not in NATO - there is zero nuclear threat as Putin will not step foot on NATO soil unless we start to send troops into Ukraine. Pakistan is a nuclear power and an ally to Putin? Shall we involve some other countries who are allied to Russia?

 

[Grendel]

I'm not trying to shame you, I just think you're a fucking bellend with some appalling viewpoints and the most hypocritical person I think I've ever come across

And what does thinking your grammar is appalling say about me?

Well you don’t shame me. You are just a deluded fool with zero concept of history and naive in the extreme.

“I was 13” I mean

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So you think Putin will mobilise his army and start marching through the EU and turn it into the next USSR?

Well it’s a theory I suppose

Right now, no. His aim is to rebuild the USSR.

But imagine he does that. He's going to feel like he has been right all along and in fact the world needs to be taken away from western ideals into Russian ones. And after his success he's clearly the right person to do it.

You're really underestimating the mentality of people like Putin. With each success they feel emboldened to go one step further because clearly they're right.

People said Hitler would stop after Austria. Then after the Sudetenland. That worked out didn't it?

Face it, you're Chamberalin waving that peace of paper claiming peace in our time.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It’s


it’s you that’s prepared for civilians to die not me.

It needs a negotiated settlement and a peace deal not a tortuous elongated war which Russia will carry on and on.

In the end Ukraine will be destroyed and a shell of a country with its economy finished. That’s the reality unless a compromise is reached and territories agreed.

This will not end without peace talks

It won't be a country at all if Putin has his way.

 

[Grendel]

Right now, no. His aim is to rebuild the USSR.

But imagine he does that. He's going to feel like he has been right all along and in fact the world needs to be taken away from western ideals into Russian ones. And after his success he's clearly the right person to do it.

You're really underestimating the mentality of people like Putin. With each success they feel emboldened to go one step further because clearly they're right.

People said Hitler would stop after Austria. Then after the Sudetenland. That worked out didn't it?

Face it, you're Chamberalin waving that peace of paper claiming peace in our time.

So when Stalin after the war carved up Eastern Europe that wasn’t peace in our time

it was exactly that wasn’t it? (Small i)

 

[Grendel]

Right now, no. His aim is to rebuild the USSR.

But imagine he does that. He's going to feel like he has been right all along and in fact the world needs to be taken away from western ideals into Russian ones. And after his success he's clearly the right person to do it.

You're really underestimating the mentality of people like Putin. With each success they feel emboldened to go one step further because clearly they're right.

People said Hitler would stop after Austria. Then after the Sudetenland. That worked out didn't it?

Face it, you're Chamberalin waving that peace of paper claiming peace in our time.

this is total bollocks by the way

 

[Sick Boy]

I don't want talks because Russia are untrustworthy bastards and its utterly pointless. As if they'll stick to whatever they agree. I want Russia out of Ukraine.

You literally said you want Russia to crack on and rape and pillage their way through Ukraine so fuck off with your moral high horse, utter c**t.

The only way for it to end is going to be through peace negotiations - it has the potential to go on for years and years otherwise.

 

[PVA]

The only way for it to end is going to be through peace negotiations - it has the potential to go on for years and years otherwise.

Ukraine and its people would disagree, they don't want talks.

Russia would probably end up asking for talks before Ukraine would.

 

[Sick Boy]

Ukraine and its people would disagree, they don't want talks.

Russia would probably end up asking for talks before Ukraine would.

The only way Ukraine is able to have that stance/would be able to disagree would be from funding being continued. If they repeatably refused peace negotiations, i'm not sure how long citizens in some countries in the west would consent to the ongoing funding.

 

[PVA]

The only way Ukraine is able to have that stance/would be able to disagree would be from funding being continued. If they repeatably refused peace negotiations, i'm not sure how long citizens in some countries in the west would consent to the ongoing funding.

Yes obviously if funding is pulled then that changes significantly.

But the US has been very clear that they support Ukraine in refusing peace talks which involve Russia keeping any territory that is not theirs.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It won't be a country at all if Putin has his way.

Well how on earth could it be part of Putin's USSR then if it is fact no longer a state?