We've had 12+ years of contibuting mediocracy and utter shit that has led us to this point in which we are at right now, nearly bottom of League 1. It's rediculous to blame all this on Andy Thorn, the man who took the reins of this club when no one else, rightly so, would touch the job with a 10 foot pole with the uncertainty over the clubs future. He should have never been in charge and should have been sacked at the end of the season rather than a couple of games in - that unprofesional act alone surely proves that there are many other factors that have left us in deep shit.
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BurbageSkyBlues
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We get what we deserve, I'm afraid.
The atmosphere from the fans has been vile, starting from that final season in the premiership. The hate and spite that eminated from our 'fans' towards Strachan , and many players, was not helpful. This trait has continued, through almost every manager's tenure, since then. This thread just highlights that mentality - how do we expect the players and managers to perform as a team, when the fans don't act as one?
Perhaps we should look in the mirror, before blaming everyone else?
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The atmosphere from the fans has been vile, starting from that final season in the premiership. The hate and spite that eminated from our 'fans' towards Strachan , and many players, was not helpful. This trait has continued, through almost every manager's tenure, since then. This thread just highlights that mentality - how do we expect the players and managers to perform as a team, when the fans don't act as one?
Perhaps we should look in the mirror, before blaming everyone else?
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mattylad
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I keep saying what's has gone wrong but people don't want to believe it "the players did not want thorn to go neither did shaw or carsley, it was a sisu set up bcos thorn stood up for the players in the contract wrangle so 1st chance this season they booted him and the players have played with there heads up their arses ever since"
Otis
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But the players probably wanted Thorn to stay because it was all pally-pally and like a love-in. Too much a 'mates' atmosphere.
Thorn had to go. Seems clearly apparent. Lack of pace, width, throwing leads away, lacked of tactical nous.
Lord_Nampil
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Is there any one to blame??? Thorn did his best which wasn't good enough, fisher and Waggott did the right thing but did it at the wrong time (should have gone at the end of the season)!! Shaw has not tryed to stop his authority on the team as a result the players haven't responded and we have lost 3 games in a row!
So I'd say not one person is to blame, we just need that management figure in ASAP untill then I don't think we can read too much into the start of the season!
So I'd say not one person is to blame, we just need that management figure in ASAP untill then I don't think we can read too much into the start of the season!
Black6Osprey
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Is it so hard to believe the players are just not up to it? Why do we keep searching for another reason. We seem to have more conspiracies than the X files. The players were playing shit before Thorn went. When half the team had their head in their hands at the end of the Stevenage game I don't expect they were all thinking, poor old Thorny. Fans seem to come out with more shit than SISU. All the crap about bonuses. They are amongst the highest paid players in the league and if one or two of the players who were here last season are unhappy then its only one or two not the whole team. We need to wake up and realise the loan market is our only chance to improve. It makes you realise what a couple of clowns both Thorn and Waggot are that they put together a team that is so slow, lacks width, can't communicate and with no leaders. A few weeks later and Waggot says its so apparent and is whats clearly needed. The pair obviously didn't do their homework when putting this group together.
Brighton Sky Blue
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And those players have left the club whilst the chums remain. If a manager is more best mates with his players it can make him be seen as a soft touch which isn't that much at odds with the weak displays we saw.
Diehard Si
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You are missing my point I fear.
If this team was bottom having played awful in all the games then I would be probably giving up by now. My glimmer of hope' is that during spells of the game the players have put shifts in, played very well, controlled the games completely. That shows they are CAPABLE. They do have the talent there and the ability.
For whatever reason however they are not performing for all of the game, infact they are not even usually performing for half a game. It's 20 min spells here and there.
The frustration therefore is obvious, and something is clearly wrong. Fitness, tactics, self belief or conflict in the ranks... perhaps all of the above. No-one can defend that, it's simply awful and not good enough.
However they are things that CAN be fixed over time, with a new manager, a new attitude and with a few wins. To label the players useless as some people have is only half right at the mo. They are good players they are capable, they are playing VERY badly and at the moment just not performing enough.
I'm not denying this is our lowest point in decades, certainly my living memory. I can see the way out, I'm just hoping the new man finds it possible to do. It won't last forever this run ( just like when you win a few games and think you can go the season un-beaten ).
Brighton Sky Blue
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All teams are capable of occasional brilliance-it's the inconsistency that puts them where they are in the league. Individually I think we have a good side but it's all over the place and missing some authoritative leadership.
SkyBlueScottie
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Yet supposedly they are still in a grump cos their bonus structure has been slashed.....
Brighton Sky Blue
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Care to elaborate with more cutting wit?
Sick Boy
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Based upon the number of applicants for the post recently, we can assume that there would actually have been quite a large number who would have been interested.
Thorn was appointed because it was demanded by the majority of supporters, some were even convinced he was the next John Sillet and one of the games most talented managers. Even now, his legend and the folklore will get passed on.
Sick Boy
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I pity the poor lambs so much.
I applaud the cutting of the bonus structure, why should they get a bonus for turning up and doing their job. They get a bonus if they win, so maybe they should try a bit harder!
1nilandwe...
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Exactly! It's worked for the Tories so why not for us?!?! Slash slash slash. I bet they're all on disability as well!!! (Insert David Bell joke here). And I'm pretty sure some of them are immigrants! Get rid of them all and their flavoursome cuisine!
lordsummerisle
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You're right we should all come out in support of professional footballers poor wages.
Can see them now warmimg their hands round a oil-drum fire outside the Ricoh, with "Stop the cuts" banners.
The best dressed strikers in the world, in their Armani suits, having to drive to their million pound home to their shame in last years Ferrari.
"Up the Workers" "You have nothing to lose except your chains".
1nilandwe...
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Alternatively, they could turn up to work for a company which is well run and which honours the contracts which have been signed.
Surely you must see that cutting your whole workforce's wages just before they go out to work for you is an insane thing to do? Hardly the way to get them to run into the ground for you in front of a crowd baying for blood, for a club which lets face it, the vast majority of them couldn't give 2 shits about. Hardy the way to motivate them and show that you've got their interests at heart, and you're not going to pull the rug from under their carpets in 6 months time leaving them without a job.
I read a comment that some of the players want to use Arsenal as a shop window to get a move away. I cannot blame them one bit. What is the incentive for them to stick around at this toxic hole of a club?
Surely you must see that cutting your whole workforce's wages just before they go out to work for you is an insane thing to do? Hardly the way to get them to run into the ground for you in front of a crowd baying for blood, for a club which lets face it, the vast majority of them couldn't give 2 shits about. Hardy the way to motivate them and show that you've got their interests at heart, and you're not going to pull the rug from under their carpets in 6 months time leaving them without a job.
I read a comment that some of the players want to use Arsenal as a shop window to get a move away. I cannot blame them one bit. What is the incentive for them to stick around at this toxic hole of a club?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Oh ok so Thorn forced Gael out of the club so his chums could remain :facepalm:
btw last time I checked ROD was still at the club unless someone else came on as sub yesterday
This pally, mates and chums atmosphere and we don't take training seriously is just speculation because the players said they like him and they add a y onto everyone's name
Mucca Mad Boys
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Mucca Mad Boys
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Wahey, bit of Karl Marx thrown in there!
But I don't think footballers can be classed as the exploited proletariat!
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Priceless.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I wonder why they liked him so much, eh?
Throughout his reign the players didn't look fit enough, even this season, after Thorny's gruelling pre-season they still don't look fit enough. The club's demise last season and this season is collective of course, but he has to take a large part of the blame. It is unbelievable that even now some defend him, despite the damage that he has contributed to the club....it makes me so angry!!
I think the real person to be blamed has to be Jimmy Hill,if he didn't put money in the club & get it run properly & bring it into the 1st division proper we wouldn't have this problem now .
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Yea of course he has some blame, we were shit for some reason. But to say we didn't take training seriously is just speculation.
Steve Harrison is a very experienced coach and worked under many managers, I would guess he would have a large input into training methods as well. So I can't see a man with his experience taking training lightly
Brighton Sky Blue
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Yes, that's clearly what I meant. What I and others are just driving at is that Thorn failed to command proper respect or discipline-a soft touch, in other words.
sky blue john
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FFS leave the man alone your all idiots if you think he is responsible for the last three results !!!!
You got what you wanted he is no longer here.
Part of the problem is unrealistic supporters who think all the freebies we signed in the
Summer are world beaters !!!
Also the team we had last year is a million times better than the existing one !!!!
You got what you wanted he is no longer here.
Part of the problem is unrealistic supporters who think all the freebies we signed in the
Summer are world beaters !!!
Also the team we had last year is a million times better than the existing one !!!!
sky blue john
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Also Alex Ferguson couldn't do anything with the group of players we currently have !!!
The real people to blame are the owners selling our best players and replacing with shit.
Whoever is the next manger the owners will have to support them in the loan and transfer market else expect more of the same folks.
The real people to blame are the owners selling our best players and replacing with shit.
Whoever is the next manger the owners will have to support them in the loan and transfer market else expect more of the same folks.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Nobody has said that to be fair. Is it unrealistic to deem them better than League One relegation fodder though?
Brighton Sky Blue
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What complete twaddle.
Sick Boy
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It is one of my favourites.
Coventry City FC- The lower league version of Liverpool & Newcastle combined.
sky blue john
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your deluded !!!
we had hundreds of posts saying that we
had a team that was automatic or play off material and better than last year. All we needed was a better manager. Memory failing you ?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The idea that the best manager in the history of English football could do no better than a total novice...come on :facepalm:
RichieGunns
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They have the skill, they have the ability! They've shown this on several, all be it limited, occassions.
There is something very wrong within our club. Something that isn't being tackled, its just being swept under the carpit.
I hope, really i do, that this situation gets sorted soon because if i doesn't, we wont have a club anymore...
I think we need to move on. Harping on about Thorn this, Thorn that is not going to make our situation any better.
It's done, its happened, we can't change it, no ones got a time machine to go back and make sure it doesn't happen (though i know some would probably go a lot further back than Thorn, I'd go back to before Richardson and makes sure he never got his hands on our club).
We have to look to the future, however bad it may look right now we have to stop looking back!