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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Defence spending is often circular inward investment. Orders given to BAE, SFL, W Cook etc., these companies pay wages - tax back to gov. Pay rates, VAT, Corp tax etc. back to gov. Employees spend on goods, taxed. Bills, taxed, mortgage int - profits to banks, taxed. Defence and infrastructure spending often kickstarts certain economies. In the 1930’s it was done to combat the Great Depression in USA, Italy, Ger….. hold on…. (Satire)

Which makes you wonder why the supposedly more economically savvy party consistently rejected investment in infrastructure in favour of the complete opposite (austerity) during our recent problems...

 

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[The Philosopher]

“wouldn’t sound out of place” isn’t a direct quote. And no he’s not a journalist. He’s a bloke with an opinion. Who should be allowed to say whatever he wants on his personal channels same as anyone else.

On his own personal channel - maybe. He crossed the line previously by criticising Brexit voters on a BBC show. That’s, IMO, a clear line crossed.

On a BBC show. Not Twitter.

The BBC should have acted back then, didn’t.

 

[torchomatic]

Gary will be back. BBC to apologise to him. So they should.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Braverman said there were 100m people wanting to flood our shores and it could potentially be billions. yet she failed to quote where she got this information from,

Are we supposed to just take her word for it then? Any decent journalist would have backed up these claims with quotes and evidence , but she's not a journalist. She's the fucking Home Secretary!

Same with Lineker then. Though it should be easy to find similarities, history being what it is.

 

[SkyblueDad]

He’s a bbc employee, their salaries are published every year. Personally I can’t believe he doesn’t take a pay cut to support the gender pay gap reduction

Well firstly he isn’t a BBC employee but don’t you see the media tell us and keep repeating what he gets as a free lance for his match of the day contract, but where does it end. How much should he get. He was most probably a millionaire when he retired from playing.
Just been announced
Lineker returns and BBC will apologise for their decisions.

 

[torchomatic]

unless you can find where I’ve said that, please delete this post it’s placing me in a bad light

LOL, etc etc.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Gary will be back. BBC to apologise to him. So they should.

He'll be gone soon after. He's made his point and probably never really knew how much publicity it would create. I can't see either side really wanting to be working together for very long .

 

[The Philosopher]

Which makes you wonder why the supposedly more economically savvy party consistently rejected investment in infrastructure in favour of the complete opposite (austerity) during our recent problems...

Under Cameron and May the Tory party economic and social position was downright lunatic.

Corbyn, ironically, had policies of inward investment that were better. His links to antisemitism and his position on Ireland I won’t get into.

Johnson talked a good game.

Liz Truss put some old fashioned Thatcherite proposals through and was ousted in comedic fashion for the unelected Sunak.

It’s a mess.

 

[shmmeee]

He gets paid far far too much money, however, that is not what we're talking about is it?

Does he earn significantly more than other mainstream anchors?

 

[The Philosopher]

He'll be gone soon after. He's made his point and probably never really knew how much publicity it would create. I can't see either side really wanting to be working together for very long .

As I posted earlier about Croxall, he’ll “win” the day but lose the campaign.

The BBC will bring in Alex Scott or similar.

 

[shmmeee]

On his own personal channel - maybe. He crossed the line previously by criticising Brexit voters on a BBC show. That’s, IMO, a clear line crossed.

On a BBC show. Not Twitter.

The BBC should have acted back then, didn’t.

So something else entirely then?

 

[torchomatic]

As I posted earlier about Croxall, he’ll “win” the day but lose the campaign.

The BBC will bring in Alex Scott or similar.

Probably. Then the gammons will be up in arms over a woman fronting a football show.

There is always something to be outraged about.

 

[jordan210]

Maybe the media can actually show us real news. like US banks failing, Farmer protests in Holland, Riots in Paris.Hancocks whatsapps. Rather than 24/7 news on big ears

 

[PVA]

Total victory for Lineker. Embarrassing climb down from the BBC - it's gone from them trying to sack Lineker to the big wigs doing all they can to hold on to their own jobs. You love to see it.

 

[SkyblueDad]

He’s a bbc employee, their salaries are published every year. Personally I can’t believe he doesn’t take a pay cut to support the gender pay gap reduction

Answer this then Lineker reportedly gets about £25k a week for his match of the day roll, that’s about £15k a week in his pocket should anybody earn that much a week.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Probably. Then the gammons will be up in arms over a woman fronting a football show.

There is always something to be outraged about.

Why would they, other than she's never played mens football before ? That's a relevant point surely ?
Perhaps all the other pundits should be female as well.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well it's all resolved, so everyone can shut up about him now can't they, and instead focus on the downright immorality and illegality of the bill he was referring to...

 

[shmmeee]

Answer this then Lineker reportedly gets about £25k a week for his match of the day roll, that’s about £15k a week in his pocket should anybody earn that much a week.

What should the most be that anyone is allowed to earn? Aren’t you calling for the old 95% top rate of tax essentially? (Not that I’m disagreeing)

 

[The Philosopher]

Why would they, other than she's never played mens football before ? That's a relevant point surely ?
Perhaps all the other pundits should be female as well.

It’s my prediction for their next move. Replacing him with say, Jimmy Bullard will be seen as revenge. By saying “we’ve listened feel that we need more diversity to better reflect modern Britain” is a position or almost immunity. Few would dare criticise the appointment of say, Alex Scott for fear of being called racist, sexiest, gammon etc.

 

[shmmeee]

Im not too bothered by Lineker but the amount of piss he boils simply by existing amuses me.

 

[WestEndAgro]

Probably. Then the gammons will be up in arms over a woman fronting a football show.

There is always something to be outraged about.

 

[The Philosopher]

What should the most be that anyone is allowed to earn? Aren’t you calling for the old 95% top rate of tax essentially? (Not that I’m disagreeing)

Lineker is a contractor to avoid tax rules. HMRC are after him for £5m due to (being careful here) being prudent with his tax status.

The house always wins. The State owned BBC have egg on their faces. Lineker would do well to not crow too loudly.

 

[SkyblueDad]

Mate I’ve no idea what you’re going on about

In your post number 285 you say “personally you can’t believe he doesn’t take a pay cut to support the gender pay gap”
I’ll assume from that statement you think Lineker earns too much from the BBC, am I correct ?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

He’s asking for an example of someone who’s been suspended by the BBC because it’s the best/most direct comparison to Lineker’s case. You can hardly be upset at people for not speaking up before if there haven’t been any comparable cases to speak out about. So again - who are the ones we missed?

Cancel culture and the free speech debate is not confined to the BBC. It has been going on for years and there are infinite examples.

To be ignorant of that just looks like a deliberate attempt to slow walk the general debate and I don't believe you or the other poster are really that clueless.

'We didn't know there were any other attempts to cancel people in the past so we're just speaking up about it all now' is an almost humorous take and I don't think you can be taken seriously in this conversation with it.

 

[Jamesimus]

Does he earn significantly more than other mainstream anchors?

I don't know if it's significantly more tbh. I personally think people talking about it are now shifting the goal posts somewhat!

 

[Grendel]

Probably. Then the gammons will be up in arms over a woman fronting a football show.

There is always something to be outraged about.

Probably bring in Claire Balding

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well it's all resolved, so everyone can shut up about him now can't they, and instead focus on the downright immorality and illegality of the bill he was referring to...

Maybe you are right regarding this, but what would be your alternative ideas for tackling this situation? I'm genuinely interested.

There seems to be a lot of criticism for this bill, which might be warranted and come into the categories that you say, but I'm not seeing many alternative suggestions put forward.

 

[David O'Day]

In your post number 285 you say “personally you can’t believe he doesn’t take a pay cut to support the gender pay gap”
I’ll assume from that statement you think Lineker earns too much from the BBC, am I correct ?

that's boosh, he's on a wum

 

[Grendel]

F-ff to GB News then.... with the other neanderthals ! Ignorant t!t.

How very tolerant of your Charles. Someone who clearly wants to look at both sides of the argument.

 

[David O'Day]

the bbc have caved in then

 

[Deleted member 5849]

 

[Jamesimus]

Maybe you are right regarding this, but what would be your alternative ideas for tackling this situation? I'm genuinely interested.

There seems to be a lot of criticism for this bill, which might be warranted and come into the categories that you say, but I'm not seeing many alternative suggestions put forward.

There are lots of alternatives being discussed online. Most involve investment in terms of the processing of claims, a job which has been made immeasurably harder post Brexit (sorry to bring it up haha).

Safe accessible routes (takes away the need for a trafficker / middle man), a change in the way asylum seekers are housed (currently often housed together in large hotels in small little-England communities like Skegness), partly due to NIMBY middle class issues I imagine and constituency issues. Integration and language courses (I believe Germany did this with Syrian refugees to relative success?).

These kind of schemes offer actual returns. When you think about the amount of money we've spent to try and send a few hundred migrants to Rwanda and the money for the French detention centre, both seem a little wild.

Apologies for the shitey grammar at work, but there's actual suggestions from people that do this kind of thing as work / study which are much more detailed.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

There are lots of alternatives being discussed online. Most involve investment in terms of the processing of claims, a job which has been made immeasurably harder post Brexit (sorry to bring it up haha).

Safe accessible routes (takes away the need for a trafficker / middle man), a change in the way asylum seekers are housed (currently often housed together in large hotels in small little-England communities like Skegness), partly due to NIMBY middle class issues I imagine and constituency issues. Integration and language courses (I believe Germany did this with Syrian refugees to relative success?).

These kind of schemes offer actual returns. When you think about the amount of money we've spent to try and send a few hundred migrants to Rwanda and the money for the French detention centre, both seem a little wild.

Apologies for the shitey grammar at work, but there's actual suggestions from people that do this kind of thing as work / study which are much more detailed.

Processing of claims has been cut (wilfully?) over many, many years.

And it must be remembered, you cannot be an illegal asylum seeker, you can't.

 

[Jamesimus]

Processing of claims has been cut (wilfully?) over many, many years.

And it must be remembered, you cannot be an illegal asylum seeker, you can't.

I am unsure of the first part, but probably! The second part I know, but lots of people don't I guess.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I am unsure of the first part, but probably! The second part I know, but lots of people don't I guess.

Nothing is ever perfect, but we're actually talking ridiculously small numbers in the wider context - it's far easier to improve the processing of asylum seekers than just about everything else that government attempts to do.