Do you want to discuss boring politics? (152 Viewers)

[Ian1779]

Please Starmer, just fuck off, fuck off as far as you can, and when you think you've fucked off as far as you can, one last push, and fuck off some more.

Currently a tidal wave of reactionary nonsense from the tories and his response is to continue his spat with Cobyn.
Just let him stand in the seat he's represented for decades and get on with actually opposing the government you useless prick.

I’m staring to reckon this personal vendetta of his stems back to Corbyn blocking him taking a second job when he was in Shadow Cabinet.

 

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[shmmeee]

His point is I assume it’s an argument for PR. The party has 12.6% of the vote. By your argument you should just disband the Lib Dems who do exactly what you describe but due to the system secure safe seats and get a few MPs

In that election they’d have had about 40% of the number of MPS labour would have surely?

I mean I would disband the Lib Dem’s. Pick a fucking side.

But the idea there’s not a diverse mix of political opinion from far left to far right in parliament without PR is nonsense.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Talking of pathetic, the government's latest offer to teachers in England is as follows

A 4.5% rise, only 0.5% of which is to be funded by the government-all the rest to come out of school budgets.
The offer only stands if all unions either recommend their members to accept, or are neutral.

NEU is recommending all members to reject this offer. In fact it isn't an offer, it's an insult. English teachers are now the worst paid in the UK- for comparison

Wales offered 6.5%
Scotland offered 7+

 

[Ian1779]

Talking of pathetic, the government's latest offer to teachers in England is as follows

A 4.5% rise, only 0.5% of which is to be funded by the government-all the rest to come out of school budgets.
The offer only stands if all unions either recommend their members to accept, or are neutral.

NEU is recommending all members to reject this offer. In fact it isn't an offer, it's an insult. English teachers are now the worst paid in the UK- for comparison

Wales offered 6.5%
Scotland offered 7+

They can get fucked with that miserly bollocks.

And as always they sneak in the fact that it comes out of existing budgets so they fund nothing.

NASUWT needs to grow some balls and re-ballot it’s members for strike action.

 

[Grendel]

Oh dear these latest developments regarding Corbyn are going to really confuse poor old @PVA

 

[PVA]

Oh dear these latest developments regarding Corbyn are going to really confuse poor old @PVA

And why is that?

 

[Grendel]

And why is that?

So what’s your opinion then? I know you will read the room before being brave enough to comment - you like backers. Could be tough for you.

 

[PVA]

So what’s your opinion then? I know you will read the room before being brave enough to comment - you like backers. Could be tough for you.

Why is it confusing for me?

 

[Grendel]

Why is it confusing for me?

well because you are grade A stupid and need to gauge a room before commenting

 

[PVA]

well because you are grade A stupid and need to gauge a room before commenting

I pity you. What a sad existence

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They can get fucked with that miserly bollocks.

And as always they sneak in the fact that it comes out of existing budgets so they fund nothing.

NASUWT needs to grow some balls and re-ballot it’s members for strike action.

What's abundantly obvious is that the Tories just don't care about education. Willing to contribute a whopping 0.5% extra?

As for you, I'd suggest you change unions

 

[Grendel]

I mean I would disband the Lib Dem’s. Pick a fucking side.

But the idea there’s not a diverse mix of political opinion from far left to far right in parliament without PR is nonsense.

Seems with Mr Corbyn now banished from his party the alternate voice in labour no longer exists

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Seems with Mr Corbyn now banished from his party the alternate voice in labour no longer exists

Also some polling suggesting he would defeat any official Labour candidate

 

[Grendel]

Also some polling suggesting he would defeat any official Labour candidate

Whatever your view on him the fact Blair tolerated him for years but Starmer wants to banish him - despite Corbyn giving him an olive branch in shadow cabinet - says a lot about Starmer. It’s all pathetic really. Denying the former leader the option to stand for a party he’s been a member of all his life - is it necessary?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Whatever your view on him the fact Blair tolerated him for years but Starmer wants to banish him - despite Corbyn giving him an olive branch in shadow cabinet - says a lot about Starmer. It’s all pathetic really. Denying the former leader the option to stand for a party he’s been a member of all his life - is it necessary?

It’s Starmer getting high off the fumes of winning over a few Daily Mail readers. I really really don’t want to vote for his Labour but in a swing seat I have not much choice.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s Starmer getting high off the fumes of winning over a few Daily Mail readers. I really really don’t want to vote for his Labour but in a swing seat I have not much choice.

You don’t

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You don’t

What a time to be alive

 

[Grendel]

You don’t

Still think he’s a man of integrity?

 

[Ian1779]

You don’t

You’re really selling it for a guy whose main policy by 2024 will probably be ‘Stop the Boats… more efficiently’

 

[PVA]

Also some polling suggesting he would defeat any official Labour candidate

And yet he was rejected in the two most important polls, comprehensively so last time.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You’re really selling it for a guy whose main policy by 2024 will probably be ‘Stop the Boats… more efficiently’

Have to

 

[Grendel]

Have to

man of integrity?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

man of integrity?

Me? I try

 

[Ian1779]

And yet he was rejected in the two most important polls, comprehensively so last time.

You should offer to be the Labour candidate in Islington North and see how you get on.

 

[clint van damme]

And yet he was rejected in the two most important polls, comprehensively so last time.

Which is of no relevance to what's been discussed here

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And yet he was rejected in the two most important polls, comprehensively so last time.

He has stood for the party for 40 years. No other former Labour party leader to my knowledge has been struck off as a party candidate. His constituents clearly still want him and it will be an embarrassment for Starmer that he never had to risk in the first place.

 

[clint van damme]

He has stood for the party for 40 years. No other former Labour party leader to my knowledge has been struck off as a party candidate. His constituents clearly still want him and it will be an embarrassment for Starmer that he never had to risk in the first place.

Exactly, let him represent the same constituency he has for 40 years and bump his gums on the back benches occasionally while concentrating on more important issues.

 

[PVA]

Which is of no relevance to what's been discussed here

He is poison to a lot of the electorate. This probably isn't the best way to go about it, I agree there, but the Labour Party has a better chance of winning the election without him (which I know a lot in here won't like to hear).

 

[clint van damme]

He is poison to a lot of the electorate. This probably isn't the best way to go about it, I agree there, but the Labour Party has a better chance of winning the election without him (which I know a lot in here won't like to hear).

I doubt Corbyn representing Islington will have any major effect on the outcome of a GE.
He represented it through new Labour's 3 terms

 

[Ian1779]

He is poison to a lot of the electorate. This probably isn't the best way to go about it, I agree there, but the Labour Party has a better chance of winning the election without him (which I know a lot in here won't like to hear).

It’s nonsense. If the electorate won’t put Labour in because Corbyn is pottering around in North London it says far more about Starmer’s inability to offer any kind of incentive or reason to vote for him.

Do better

 

[Grendel]

He is poison to a lot of the electorate. This probably isn't the best way to go about it, I agree there, but the Labour Party has a better chance of winning the election without him (which I know a lot in here won't like to hear).

He had a higher percentage of votes in 2017 than Blair and Thatcher you dimwit

 

[Ian1779]

He had a higher percentage of votes in 2017 than Blair and Thatcher you dimwit

Shhmmeee will be along soon to deny the existence of 2017.

 

[Grendel]

It’s nonsense. If the electorate won’t put Labour in because Corbyn is pottering around in North London it says far more about Starmer’s inability to offer any kind of incentive or reason to vote for him.

Do better

Its the most stupid comment I’ve seen from him and that says a lot

 

[PVA]

I doubt Corbyn representing Islington will have any major effect on the outcome of a GE.
He represented it through new Labour's 3 terms

But, as pathetic as it is, 'but Corbyn' is still an attack line used by the Tories.

Labour will win the election with or without Corbyn in my opinion. But they're doing everything they can to make sure of it.

 

[Grendel]

Shhmmeee will be along soon to deny the existence of 2017.

His decline in 2019 was ironically as he let Starmer create the labour Brexit plan.