Grendel
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you said people don’t protest
If you want people looting and smashing things up good for you
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you said people don’t protest
If you want people looting and smashing things up good for you
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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shmmeee
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How so? This is just moving them out of hotels because people have been protesting about them being in hotels.
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I'm not arguing the decision to raise it, I'm arguing the bypassing of a democratic prrocess to do it.He did but on the flip side, he said he planned to raise the pension age during the presidential election campaign and was re-elected
I’m no fan of Macron or the presidential system but he’s not doing this for his own benefit. Difficult decisions are rarely popular. Many people prefer for the can to be kicked down the road, leave the problem for someone else to deal with and that’s when you end up with the Johnson’s of this world promising the Earth and delivering very little
Grendel
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I assume he has powers to do it in their republican constitution surely?
Yeah, mine was a general point about the French really. They chose to have a republic, they re-elected a president who said he planned to reform pensions/raise pension age…and now they’re rioting when their elected president uses his presidential powers to implement the changes he forewarned them about
Also general point that unfortunately as we all live longer there’s going to have to be more tough calls to be made surrounding pension age, higher taxes for social care and health etc, the sooner politicians are honest with the public about this, the better
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Ian1779
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I’m sure people will be protesting about the hotels going out of business now…… any minute.
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As a small aside, I read the headline and thought yes, it was ridiculous she was doing a list.
Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?
Liz Truss resignation honours list criticised by ex-aides
The former PM, who spent 49 days in office, has reportedly nominated four people for peerages.
www.bbc.co.uk
Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?
Littlewood getting a nod after bigging up the mini-budget is pretty funny.As a small aside, I read the headline and thought yes, it was ridiculous she was doing a list.
Liz Truss resignation honours list criticised by ex-aides
The former PM, who spent 49 days in office, has reportedly nominated four people for peerages.www.bbc.co.uk
Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?
Northants Sky Blue
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Thing is those 4 were architects of a catastrophic budget which will cost us taxpayers billions and billions
Instead of becoming law-making Lords they should be doing a long stretch in Broadmoor
Instead of becoming law-making Lords they should be doing a long stretch in Broadmoor
As a small aside, I read the headline and thought yes, it was ridiculous she was doing a list.
Liz Truss resignation honours list criticised by ex-aides
The former PM, who spent 49 days in office, has reportedly nominated four people for peerages.www.bbc.co.uk
Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?
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Grendel
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Tony probably stopped voting for ukip when they removed the whip from him
Grendel
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As you approve one assumes of a republic where a little napoleon can do what he likes
JAM See
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Yawn.
shmmeee
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I do. I just want better nomination processes and no peerages for life.
fernandopartridge
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Yep, the smug c**t
JAM See
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Nobody has a 'job for life', except the lawmakers in the HoL.
It's a crony riddled gravy train that has actual embedded political power.
It's not fit for purpose. It was a temporary solution enabled by the Parliament Act 1911, and the fact that it's still bumbling along today is a disgrace.
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shmmeee
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Yeah jobs for life shouldn’t exist but that wasn’t your main complaint it was that they were unelected.
Its far more fit for purpose than an elected second chamber which would be an absolute joke as well as a serious weakening of the law making process IMO.
Frankly anyone anti Brexit should be glad the Lords exists.
JAM See
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If I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to you.
skybluetony176
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chiefdave
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You can see why Kwarteng with his brilliant grasp of the difference between dollars and pounds
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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How can it be a weakening of the law-making process when it can be effectively controlled by the party in government with new appointments. Just gets bigger and bigger and costs more? Plus the government can overrule them and push legislation through anyway, using the excuse they have no mandate as they're unelected.
At least an elected chamber might better reflect the overall mood of the population and thus have a mandate.
Obviously it would depend on how it was implemented but I can't see how having an unelected upper chamber chosen by the parties in power is better. Why not just go back to making it controlled by the crown and landowners?
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yeah, would rather have some more ‘normal’ people in the HofL…rather than just packed with politicians.
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Bizarre timing but an interesting article below kind of covering some of this stuff. It’s not really about Johnson so much as how as a voting public we and most of the West, want things without the cost/consequence so end up with people like Johnson
yeah, would rather have some more ‘normal’ people in the HofL…rather than just packed with politicians.
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Yeah, mine was a general point about the French really. They chose to have a republic, they re-elected a president who said he planned to reform pensions/raise pension age…and now they’re rioting when their elected president uses his presidential powers to implement the changes he forewarned them about
Also general point that unfortunately as we all live longer there’s going to have to be more tough calls to be made surrounding pension age, higher taxes for social care and health etc, the sooner politicians are honest with the public about this, the better
Bizarre timing but an interesting article below kind of covering some of this stuff. It’s not really about Johnson so much as how as a voting public we and most of the West, want things without the cost/consequence so end up with people like Johnson
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Grendel
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fernandopartridge
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But the elected chamber would just be a reflection of the other elected chamber, so completely pointless?
Grendel
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it seems he wants President Johnson
skybluetony176
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Depends on what system we’d use to vote them in. If it’s FPTP then it would be pointless. If it was a different system that represented vote share then it would have a better bearing on what people voted and therefore a legitimacy.
Grendel
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Ah so would want a stalemate system where no legislation gets past a second chamber
skybluetony176
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You seem to be suggesting that doesn’t happen already. Only now it happens through an unelected system.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Maybe King Charles could get off his arse and write some legislation himself. Of course he might have to lift his own pen to do it