dutchman
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They know where the votes will come from and it's not from the very vocal minority in this forum.
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Ian1779
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Starmer and Reeves have put more energy and effort into selecting their outfits for Murdoch’s summer party than they have proposing solutions for the current cost of living crisis.
skybluetony176
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Sounds like the Boris/Lebedev story is about to take on new meaning. I did wonder if a load of new stories might come out about him now his political aspirations are dead and usefulness of the idiot is diminished.
clint van damme
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I appreciate the point you're making but we're in unprecedented times, people are struggling, we've had over a decade of austerity, (which isn't an economic policy its a political ideology), we need a real alternative not just toning down this neo liberal bollocks a notch or two.
This country is absolutely broken, its a mess.
There is no doubt starmer/Labour need to start getting their case and policies across to the public better but their smashing Tories in the polls and are obviously focussing on ‘you can trust us not to fuck things up’ on economy etc to attract swing or wavering voters. Id imagine once in power people will probably see a slightly more* radical approach, maybe even some new stuff around manifesto time. It’s pretty transparent what their plan is but it’s all that’s needed at the moment as inflation/rates mean sunaks got no chance,,so not sure why the upset
*as we saw with truss markets won’t allow major radical stuff, whatever side you’re on
*as we saw with truss markets won’t allow major radical stuff, whatever side you’re on
shmmeee
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To steel man: They’re being ultra conservative in their language, but not actually confirming or denying anything.
I completely agree though that that’s not even the right tactic right now. Everything is fucked.
shmmeee
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You can be radical without being mental. Truss and Corbyn faced the same problem of uncapped borrowing with no revenue raising which spooked people. No one is saying we can’t tax and redistribute.
Yeah, my point is when you’re 20+ points up in polls, is there any need to. The key for me is who comes up with a credible short and long term growth/productivity plan. Without that we’re fucked and there’s no chance of anything more radical on the spending side….not sure either side have a solution though
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skybluetony176
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Would make a ton more sense than joining that pacific trade group that they’re bragging about. Would go a long way to repairing some of the damage done to trade by brexit.
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Yeah, tax and spend was orthodox until not so long ago. Hard to sell extra taxes to people as well mind you.
shmmeee
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Chicken and egg though.
Childcare is a good productivity enhancer, but requires spend so got kiboshed.
Infrastructure desperate needs spend across the board, from allowing WFH with easy occasional access to the office in places that have lost work, to house prices stopping effective physical flexibility in Labour, to the fucking pot holes everywhere.
Green infrastructure and the decent jobs that come with it.
There’s plenty of long term solid investments that aren’t that risky. Housing is the obvious one, so clearly going to pay for itself.
We’ve ended up with a country that makes not much, without easy access to bigger markets services want, and with consumers spending all their spare cash on housing and energy so they can’t support a leisure economy either. Somethings got to give and there’s no easy “big bang” deregulation sugar highs left.
fernandopartridge
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I'm not that bothered about the subject matter but the continual u-turns just make them look like they have no real idea of what their drivers are
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Ian1779
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Maybe it’s this one that really appeals….I'm not that bothered about the subject matter but the continual u-turns just make them look like they have no real idea of what their drivers are
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skybluetony176
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Another element to the story coming out.
Would anyone be surprised if it turned out that Boris was officially a Russian asset? He’s a duplicitous character at the best of times.
Would anyone be surprised if it turned out that Boris was officially a Russian asset? He’s a duplicitous character at the best of times.
clint van damme
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skybluetony176
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Best case scenario is he was too stupid to realise.
duffer
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I'm not a big one for conspiracy theories, but I'm fairly confident that Russia was very keen to support anyone and anything that was behind Brexit.
Boris's trip to Italy, where he ditched his official security, was hugely suspicious and wildly inappropriate for any member of Government. If he'd been a Labour MP we'd never have heard the end of it. If it had been Corbyn the Daily Mail would have self-combusted!
Boris's trip to Italy, where he ditched his official security, was hugely suspicious and wildly inappropriate for any member of Government. If he'd been a Labour MP we'd never have heard the end of it. If it had been Corbyn the Daily Mail would have self-combusted!
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory at all, it's pretty factual!
And I remember one of this thread's Tory voters being apoplectic about security issues regarding Corbyn's links with Russia but brushed off Johnson's links as nothing.
fernandopartridge
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More evidence of the pure destruction of austerity politics
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Follows on nicely from the story this morning that we're all less likely to survive heart attacks and the like thanks to depriving the NHS of cash!
skybluetony176
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They were warning about this 3 years ago. Even more worrying was they were predicting it across the whole sector of medical research, not just cancer research, not just themselves as an individual charity.
UK cancer research could see £167m drop in funding as a result of charity income loss - NCRI
Due to the impact of the Covid-19 pandemic, cancer research charities are predicting their spending on research could drop by 46%, equating to £167m. Charities…Read More
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fernandopartridge
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Would love to have a government that took health seriously, not just the NHS but the social determinants of health. This country really is a classic case study in how we don't sort the latter at everybody's overall cost.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Announcing policies and then u-turning almost immediately? That sound exactly like a party in government!
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's almost like all the policy thinkers have deserted the sinking Tory ship and blagged themselves positions with Labour.
There just appears no long term plan or strategy. As mentioned on here previously social care and nhs should be combined/integrated and health should be a cross party matter. That would be at least a start
skybluetony176
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Might be part of a bigger play but potentially MHancock has grown a set of principles, currently giving evidence to the Covid enquiry. He’s finally admitted that the government didn’t know if care homes had the the right protection describing the situation as terrible. He’s apologised directly to the families present and said that the government was more concerned about having enough body bags and where were we going to bury them (let the bodies pile high said Boris lad). He seems to be treating the enquiry as a confession.
clint van damme
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Or a chance to throw Johnson under the bus
Yeah, wouldn’t trust anything that snivelling shit says. He knows he fucked up, he’ll just try to apportion as much blame elsewhere as possible. He was well out his depth.
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And he's the one who said they had put a protective ring around care homes.
haha, probably could be applicable to either, however Johnson still probably doesn’t think he did anything wrong (in his life)
Exactly. From memory he lied about this to Johnson when Johnson was ill with covid.