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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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CCFCSteve said:
Not sure that last statements quite true. Could we be more attractive to invest in, of course….maybe drop CT by half to irelands level although I’m not sure now is quite the time to be slashing CT, or agree to follow EUs agri/food/veterinary standards which I’m sure would help little. There is no doubt that political instability (shitshow) and the lack of clarity/barriers post brexit haven't helped us in recent years but to say we are an unattractive place to invest is factually incorrect

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Foreign Direct Investment: UK grows as Europe declines

Foreign direct investment (FDI) in UK has grown with its European share of FDI increasing, largely driven by resurging digital investment.
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UK most attractive for financial services investment

EY’s latest Attractiveness Survey for Financial Services finds the UK remains Europe’s most attractive destination for financial services investment
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That’s one year in isolation though Steve. You’re also looking solely at one type of investment too. The article also points out that although the investment amount is up against a backdrop of decline since 2016 the number of projects being invested in from foreign investment is down.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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CCFCSteve said:
Not sure that last statements quite true. Could we be more attractive to invest in, of course….maybe drop CT by half to irelands level although I’m not sure now is quite the time to be slashing CT, or agree to follow EUs agri/food/veterinary standards which I’m sure would help little. There is no doubt that political instability (shitshow) and the lack of clarity/barriers post brexit haven't helped us in recent years but to say we are an unattractive place to invest is factually incorrect

www.ey.com

Foreign Direct Investment: UK grows as Europe declines

Foreign direct investment (FDI) in UK has grown with its European share of FDI increasing, largely driven by resurging digital investment.
www.ey.com www.ey.com

www.ey.com

UK most attractive for financial services investment

EY’s latest Attractiveness Survey for Financial Services finds the UK remains Europe’s most attractive destination for financial services investment
www.ey.com www.ey.com
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Standards of living in this country are dropping like a stone and predicted to do so in to next year, something needs to be done.

For most people, whether the uk is an attractive place for foreign investors is neither here nor there and the fact it is doesn't seem to be having a positive affect on most people finances.
 
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CCFCSteve

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clint van damme said:
Standards of living in this country are dropping like a stone and predicted to do so in to next year, something needs to be done.

For most people, whether the uk is an attractive place for foreign investors is neither here nor there and the fact it is doesn't seem to be having a positive affect on most people finances.
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I was just highlighting that I thought the comment was incorrect. Don’t disagree that there’s plenty of challenges ahead
 
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CCFCSteve

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skybluetony176 said:
That’s one year in isolation though Steve. You’re also looking solely at one type of investment too. The article also points out that although the investment amount is up against a backdrop of decline since 2016 the number of projects being invested in from foreign investment is down.
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Foreign direct investments is a pretty good barometer of our attractiveness though. Think we’ve been No 2 for the past few years. Agree there has been a decline since 2016 but my point was that doesn’t make us unattractive…less attractive fair enough

I’m actually surprised we are that high considering what’s happened over the last 18-24 months
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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CCFCSteve said:
Foreign direct investments is a pretty good barometer of our attractiveness though. Think we’ve been No 2 for the past few years. Agree there has been a decline since 2016 but my point was that doesn’t make us unattractive…less attractive fair enough

I’m actually surprised we are that high considering what’s happened over the last 18-24 months
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But it’s one year in isolation. It doesn’t show you the bigger picture.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
“Frankly, the left has to start caring a lot more about growth, about creating wealth, attracting inward investment and kickstarting a spirit of enterprise,”

Great Keir. And you’ve got a list of these magical growth policies that require zero spend have you? And decided not to pick up the Nobel Prize in Economics for such a discovery? How modest!

He’s going to actually have to do something at some point. He can’t keep making mom and apple pie statements and never actually commit to a policy.
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I'm becoming more and more convinced that all the Tory advisors are fleeing the sinking ship and getting employed by Labour. It's so embedded with right wing theory he's making Blair look like Corbyn and is something you'd expect from a Tory party pre-Boris nutters. I know he'll be being told he needs to court Tory voters but he really is pushing that far right he's going to be alienating Labour supporters, but I guess he's taking it for granted that they won't change their vote, which I find a bit insulting actually.

This shit hasn't worked in the past ever (or has been a false dawn followed by catastrophe). It's thoroughly depressing. The only potential saving grace is that I think at least they'd do it better than the lunatics running the Tory asylum at the moment, but it'd be a massive missed opportunity to go down this route.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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I’m even starting to think some form of PR may not be a bad thing - such is the state of our politics
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Honestly, fuck you.
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shmmeee

shmmeee

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So why am I voting for you again? What do I get from Starmers Labour I wouldn’t get from continuity Sunak and roll the dice on a better Labour leader in 2024?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Also the policy isn’t retrospective so the savings aren’t being made yet, the £2bn it’s suppose to save (at the cost of 300k extra children in poverty) doesn’t kick in until after the next Parliament.

And that’s not even talking about the costs of an extra 300k children in poverty to health, schools and policing over their lifetime.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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I'm surprised you're letting it upset you. Normally a prospective next Government has to promise all kind of things in their attempt to get people on side to be elected. Here you have someone who will win regardless so can pretty much say what he wants and without over-promising, meaning he can easily achieve everything he sets out to and after term one will be able to say tick, tick, tick. If they have resource then they can tackle some of those problems and demonstrate how they've over-delivered.

The only hope is that if people aren't taken by what's on offer that the complacency means apathy or splitting the vote for an alternative somehow costing seats. It will still be a Labour majority , but with any luck Conservatives still get 200+ seats for a decent opposition, but I fear around 400+ Labour and that means everything simply waved through.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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rob9872 said:
I'm surprised you're letting it upset you. Normally a prospective next Government has to promise all kind of things in their attempt to get people on side to be elected. Here you have someone who will win regardless so can pretty much say what he wants and without over-promising, meaning he can easily achieve everything he sets out to and after term one will be able to say tick, tick, tick. If they have resource then they can tackle some of those problems and demonstrate how they've over-delivered.

The only hope is that if people aren't taken by what's on offer that the complacency means apathy or splitting the vote for an alternative somehow costing seats. It will still be a Labour majority , but with any luck Conservatives still get 200+ seats for a decent opposition, but I fear around 400+ Labour and that means everything simply waved through.
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Robs suddenly found his love for parliamentary democracy and the role of opposition! Colour me shocked 😆
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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The thing is Rob people on the left are on the left because they want to see change. If you don’t offer change you are by definition not on the left. That’s what being a progressive is: wanting progress.

Starmer certainly has to play his cards close to his chest, but compare his platform and Blair’s. Here were Blair’s pledges:

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Hardly socialist utopia but something on health, education, and taxing big business.

Where’s Starmers equivalent?
 
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rob9872 said:
I'm surprised you're letting it upset you. Normally a prospective next Government has to promise all kind of things in their attempt to get people on side to be elected. Here you have someone who will win regardless so can pretty much say what he wants and without over-promising, meaning he can easily achieve everything he sets out to and after term one will be able to say tick, tick, tick. If they have resource then they can tackle some of those problems and demonstrate how they've over-delivered.

The only hope is that if people aren't taken by what's on offer that the complacency means apathy or splitting the vote for an alternative somehow costing seats. It will still be a Labour majority , but with any luck Conservatives still get 200+ seats for a decent opposition, but I fear around 400+ Labour and that means everything simply waved through.
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The point being though, that you need some kind of vision. And this government isn't just unpopular because of sleaze, but letting services crash to their knees. I'm sure people do want to see a plan for the NHS for a start
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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The point being though, that you need some kind of vision. And this government isn't just unpopular because of sleaze, but letting services crash to their knees. I'm sure people do want to see a plan for the NHS for a start
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The plan for the NHS appears to be to accept that it has no capacity and pay the private sector to cherry pick the work they provide, meaning the NHS Trusts become even worse off.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Yeah not nationalising Greggs is one thing. Keeping child poverty is something else entirely. Like Tory government promising to raise IHT stupid.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Ouch

 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Grendel said:
Ouch

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got more than double that in a couple of hours and then the GoFundMe appears to have been taken down

not going to pretend to know the inner working of the Labour Party or their selection process but some of the selections recently, and in particular the people who appear to have been blocked from running, raises a few eyebrows
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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clint van damme said:
Centrist meltdown on Twitter.
Coalition of Corbynistas and tories are responsible for this apparently.
Starmer refusing to commit to ending an unpopular tory policy nothing to do with it of course.
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Indeed.

How about spending your time making sure the leader of the party doesn't say stuff to give a reason for the nickname to stick instead of moaning to tech companies to ban it.
 
fatso

fatso

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shmmeee said:
Can I also say it’s a fucking disgrace that 25 years later and we still have class sizes over 30.
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Class sizes are predicted to fall dramatically in the coming years, ironically not due to political intervention, but because of the plummeting birth rate.
Already a couple of the better primary schools in Birmingham (where my daughter works) are saying they are actually undersubscribed for next September's intake. This has been unheard of before.
 
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fatso said:
Class sizes are predicted to fall dramatically in the coming years, ironically not due to political intervention, but because of the plummeting birth rate.
Already a couple of the better primary schools in Birmingham (where my daughter works) are saying they are actually undersubscribed for next September's intake. This has been unheard of before.
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You know the solution will be to employ less teachers and / or close the school however, if it continues.
 
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