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fernandopartridge

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It's not even worth trying to get into it, and you show exactly why the remain campaign was and remains so unsuccessful. Such a shallow understanding of the real motivations behind brexit. Bendy bananas etc is just fabricated media birthday nonsense to be consumed by idiots.

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JAM See

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It's not even worth trying to get into it, and you show exactly why the remain campaign was and remains so unsuccessful. Such a shallow understanding of the real motivations behind brexit. Bendy bananas etc is just fabricated media birthday nonsense to be consumed by idiots.

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Which are what, in your opinion?
 

Mcbean

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I bought my diesel because the Government encouraged it - did 660 miles on one tank , electric cars are a disaster for long journeys - it will decrease in value as we go on but tbh I don’t care if it didn’t cost me much to run
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I bought my diesel because the Government encouraged it - did 660 miles on one tank , electric cars are a disaster for long journeys - it will decrease in value as we go on but tbh I don’t care if if died t cost me much to run
I honestly believe in years to come the current batch of electric cars will be viewed in the same light as diesels now, due to the harmful processes needed to get the materials for the batteries and how short a lifespan they will have due to the amount of mileage a lot of people do as so need recharging so often.
 

shmmeee

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I honestly believe in years to come the current batch of electric cars will be viewed in the same light as diesels now, due to the harmful processes needed to get the materials for the batteries and how short a lifespan they will have due to the amount of mileage a lot of people do as so need recharging so often.

Electric cars last about 200k miles...
 

Ian1779

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Which are what, in your opinion?
I haven’t read that book and it may well be in there, but looking at the leave vote distribution I imagine that post-industrial towns in Wales, Midlands and Northern England that were totally abandoned by the government of the day will be part of it.
 

duffer

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1.2M vehicles on the DVLA database are ULEZ exempt because they’re historic vehicles. The percentages of percentages get smaller and smaller the more you look into it.

Not many people are running historic vehicles as everyday runabouts. Plenty of people of relatively limited means, but who won't hit the in-benefit criteria, are running old bangers that aren't ULEZ compliant. If the numbers were genuinely tiny, then paying them to take them off the road wouldn't be an issue.

Andy Burnham, the mayor of Manchester, is taking a different approach to ULEZ. This looks like a better way to get buy in, to me...

 

David O'Day

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The issue isn't the actual ULEZ plan though as most people will not be effected by it, it's just the timing of this election allowed it to be weaponised in a borough that hasn't yet had it implemented.

It is actually quite popular in boroughs where it has already been implemented.
 

Grendel

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1.2M vehicles on the DVLA database are ULEZ exempt because they’re historic vehicles. The percentages of percentages get smaller and smaller the more you look into it.

Where have you got that from?

This says over 10 million cars of 15 years and older are still active

 
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Not many people are running historic vehicles as everyday runabouts. Plenty of people of relatively limited means, but who won't hit the in-benefit criteria, are running old bangers that aren't ULEZ compliant. If the numbers were genuinely tiny, then paying them to take them off the road wouldn't be an issue.

Andy Burnham, the mayor of Manchester, is taking a different approach to ULEZ. This looks like a better way to get buy in, to me...

Won't be getting any future classics if they're all scrapped...
 

Grendel

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anyway regarding London there are 700,000 cars registered to drivers living within the M25 whose vehicles are non ULEZ compliant and 150,000 vans
 

skybluetony176

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I honestly believe in years to come the current batch of electric cars will be viewed in the same light as diesels now, due to the harmful processes needed to get the materials for the batteries and how short a lifespan they will have due to the amount of mileage a lot of people do as so need recharging so often.
I find this hard to disagree with. I also suspect that battery powered cars are just a stop gap until hydrogen powered cars become more viable. I also don’t understand why the government also isn’t heavily investing in green hydrogen production right now as that in my mind is very obviously the future.
 

skybluetony176

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The issue isn't the actual ULEZ plan though as most people will not be effected by it, it's just the timing of this election allowed it to be weaponised in a borough that hasn't yet had it implemented.

It is actually quite popular in boroughs where it has already been implemented.
We’re seeing the same with 15 minute cities. The right love jumping on this with huge conspiracy theories about mind control and lost rights. If you see a protest it’s typically bused in protester’s. Where it is happening it tends to be far more popular than unpopular amongst actual local residents and businesses. It’s just right wing snowflakes pretending that they’re a silent majority when in reality they’re a noisy minority.
 

David O'Day

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We’re seeing the same with 15 minute cities. The right love jumping on this with huge conspiracy theories about mind control and lost rights. If you see a protest it’s typically bused in protester’s. Where it is happening it tends to be far more popular than unpopular amongst actual local residents and businesses. It’s just right wing snowflakes pretending that they’re a silent majority when in reality they’re a noisy minority.
Yeah once it is implemented in the outer boroughs and most people see it has no effect on them and that it actually improves their lives then the issue will pass.
 

fernandopartridge

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Yeah once it is implemented in the outer boroughs and most people see it has no effect on them and that it actually improves their lives then the issue will pass.
Very strange for the Labour leadership to play into the idea that it lost the election then.

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Grendel

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Very strange for the Labour leadership to play into the idea that it lost the election then.

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Most of those happy will be Tory voters anyway - it’s the poorer people who will be disadvantaged
 

TomRad85

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Most of those happy will be Tory voters anyway - it’s the poorer people who will be disadvantaged
Tories and champagne socialists mainly. Same people happy that LTNs are directing the traffic out of their pleasant neighbourhood.

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chiefdave

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We’re seeing the same with 15 minute cities. The right love jumping on this with huge conspiracy theories about mind control and lost rights. If you see a protest it’s typically bused in protester’s. Where it is happening it tends to be far more popular than unpopular amongst actual local residents and businesses. It’s just right wing snowflakes pretending that they’re a silent majority when in reality they’re a noisy minority.
I got interested in the idea of 15 minutes cities a few years ago and I really can't see what is in it that has seen it become a right wing conspiracy.

I mean with tracking chips in covid vaccines you can see its mental but you can at least see there's something they believe in.

What on earth can possibly wrong with having everything you need to live a decent quality of life within 15 minutes of where you live?
 

PVA

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I got interested in the idea of 15 minutes cities a few years ago and I really can't see what is in it that has seen it become a right wing conspiracy.

I mean with tracking chips in covid vaccines you can see its mental but you can at least see there's something they believe in.

What on earth can possibly wrong with having everything you need to live a decent quality of life within 15 minutes of where you live?

I think their theory is that 'they' want us cooped up in these 15 minute cities and we won't be able to venture more than 15 mins from our home.
 

SBAndy

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I find this hard to disagree with. I also suspect that battery powered cars are just a stop gap until hydrogen powered cars become more viable. I also don’t understand why the government also isn’t heavily investing in green hydrogen production right now as that in my mind is very obviously the future.

Spoke to someone fairly prominent in the industry. Expects electric to remain for shorter journeys and hydrogen for longer-haul.
 

fernandopartridge

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20 points ahead yet terrified of their own shadow.
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SBAndy

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This Starmer impersonator they got on LBC is really good, I mean it can't be the same person as Starmer is against Ulez



Setting aside the flip-flop in policy, there’s a bit of an issue as I see it with Government support. The example is the grant for buying an EV just gives manufacturers licence to increase the retail price to effectively ‘price in’ that grant. I’d imagine the same situation if they introduced a 10-year amortisation period for EV finance.
 

Grendel

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Setting aside the flip-flop in policy, there’s a bit of an issue as I see it with Government support. The example is the grant for buying an EV just gives manufacturers licence to increase the retail price to effectively ‘price in’ that grant. I’d imagine the same situation if they introduced a 10-year amortisation period for EV finance.

It’s a ridiculous idea
 

SBAndy

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It’s a ridiculous idea

In practice, I agree. The sentiment is correct but there needs to be far more controlled measures to help with lowering the cost of EVs, etc. Additional R&D tax advantages to look at ways to lower the cost?
 

skybluetony176

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I think their theory is that 'they' want us cooped up in these 15 minute cities and we won't be able to venture more than 15 mins from our home.
It’s bizarre. It’s almost as if they’ve seen the movie Maze runners and thought it was a documentary.
 

David O'Day

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Very strange for the Labour leadership to play into the idea that it lost the election then.

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it did lose the election but as we have already discussed it is the weaponised version of it rather than the reality of the ULEZ. The tory campaign was able to paint a picture where everyone was going to have to pay 1000s more a year and that scares people,.
 

Grendel

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it did lose the election but as we have already discussed it is the weaponised version of it rather than the reality of the ULEZ. The tory campaign was able to paint a picture where everyone was going to have to pay 1000s more a year and that scares people,.

700,000 vehicles in London are - amazing how thick you think voters are
 

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