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David O'Day

David O'Day

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Grendel said:
700,000 vehicles in London are - amazing how thick you think voters are
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And how many of those are currently in the boroughs that already have the ULEZ and where the ULEZ is popular?

For those who don't eat crayon, the Tory campaign painted the ULEZ as a tax on everyone when the majority of people won't actually be hit by it.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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David O'Day said:
And how many of those are currently in the boroughs that already have the ULEZ and where the ULEZ is popular?

For those who don't eat crayon, the Tory campaign painted the ULEZ as a tax on everyone when the majority of people won't actually be hit by it.
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The majority of them will still not be impacted until it rolls out as car ownership is far higher in these zones

Again those who will be hit are traditional labour voters - something you seem very reluctant to acknowledge
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Grendel said:
The majority of them will still not be impacted until it rolls out as car ownership is far higher in these zones

Again those who will be hit are traditional labour voters - something you seem very reluctant to acknowledge
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4 out 5 Vehicles in outer London are meet ULEZ standards? These are the London Governments own figures. If you have a problem with the figures I suggest you take it up with them:

www.london.gov.uk

The Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) for London

The ULEZ was expanded across all London boroughs on 29 August 2023.
www.london.gov.uk www.london.gov.uk

So instead of it being a issue the hits everyone, it will effect 1 in 5 people and yes there should more done to help them but it is not a issue that will effect the majority of people unlike what the tory campaign said. Poor air quality and bad health because of it is in fact something that will effect everyone.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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David O'Day said:
So instead of it being a issue the hits everyone, it will effect 1 in 5 people and yes there should more done to help them but it is not a issue that will effect the majority of people unlike what the tory campaign said. Poor air quality and bad health because of it is in fact something that will effect everyone.
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So why the hand wringing over it? Nothing to do with having literally nothing else to offer

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Grendel

Grendel

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David O'Day said:
4 out 5 Vehicles in outer London are meet ULEZ standards? These are the London Governments own figures. If you have a problem with the figures I suggest you take it up with them:

www.london.gov.uk

The Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) for London

The ULEZ was expanded across all London boroughs on 29 August 2023.
www.london.gov.uk www.london.gov.uk

So instead of it being a issue the hits everyone, it will effect 1 in 5 people and yes there should more done to help them but it is not a issue that will effect the majority of people unlike what the tory campaign said. Poor air quality and bad health because of it is in fact something that will effect everyone.
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Yes it effects 700,000 people who by definition are the poorer elements - I’ve said this already - so the rich of course like it as it removes the poor and their grubby cars off the roads

So much for you giving a fuck about the poorer elements of society

Looks like your labour credentials are in tatters wank chops
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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fernandopartridge said:
So why the hand wringing over it? Nothing to do with having literally nothing else to offer

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It's more a case of allowing a policy the party supports to to be painted as a charge that will cost everyone thousands a year when it is nothing of the sort

If anything from what the leadership has said they realise they need to offer more
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Is it true that ULEZ was brought in by a Conservative mayor and the expansion to place was like Uxbridge was a condition put in place by the Conservative government before they would give funding to TfL?

That's something going round on twitter but surely can't be right. if it was true that would be a stunning failure on Labours part if they've ended up carrying the blame in the local election campaign
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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chiefdave said:
Is it true that ULEZ was brought in by a Conservative mayor and the expansion to place was like Uxbridge was a condition put in place by the Conservative government before they would give funding to TfL?

That's something going round on twitter but surely can't be right. if it was true that would be a stunning failure on Labours part if they've ended up carrying the blame in the local election campaign
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Seen that too and if true you’re right, that is a massive failure on labour’s part.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave said:
Is it true that ULEZ was brought in by a Conservative mayor and the expansion to place was like Uxbridge was a condition put in place by the Conservative government before they would give funding to TfL?

That's something going round on twitter but surely can't be right. if it was true that would be a stunning failure on Labours part if they've ended up carrying the blame in the local election campaign
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It was Johnson’s idea when mayor but implemented by khan

Johnson’s initial plan was just in the inner areas of London
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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SBAndy said:
In practice, I agree. The sentiment is correct but there needs to be far more controlled measures to help with lowering the cost of EVs, etc. Additional R&D tax advantages to look at ways to lower the cost?
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It’s not like there’s no incentive to lower battery costs, it’s just a function of time really. Same as renewables were once upon a time. We just don’t have the luxury of waiting, so we gotta throw money at it. We wouldn’t have had to if people like Grendel hadn’t spent the last thirty year whining about minor and cheap changes we could have made that have everyone enough time to transition fairly.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
It’s not like there’s no incentive to lower battery costs, it’s just a function of time really. Same as renewables were once upon a time. We just don’t have the luxury of waiting, so we gotta throw money at it. We wouldn’t have had to if people like Grendel hadn’t spent the last thirty year whining about minor and cheap changes we could have made that have everyone enough time to transition fairly.
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Dont know what I’ve got to do with anything. I do know how the industry works - which you clearly don’t - you literally haven’t a clue

Do you even drive an electric car?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Grendel said:
Dont know what I’ve got to do with anything. I do know how the industry works - which you clearly don’t - you literally haven’t a clue

Do you even drive an electric car?
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Sometimes.

Contrarians like yourself have been doing this tiresome shite with every climate action proposal forever. So instead of a bunch of slow and cheap changes we have a load of quick expensive ones. And now you’re whining about that too because you’re fundamentally a ridiculous person.

How the car industry works is irrelevant, the change needs to be made. The excuses have run out.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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chiefdave said:
Is it true that ULEZ was brought in by a Conservative mayor and the expansion to place was like Uxbridge was a condition put in place by the Conservative government before they would give funding to TfL?

That's something going round on twitter but surely can't be right. if it was true that would be a stunning failure on Labours part if they've ended up carrying the blame in the local election campaign
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Found this article from October 2021 quoting the document

www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk

Transport secretary criticises ULEZ expansion - despite insisting on it - Murky Depths

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has been telling people ULEZ expansion is a bad move - despite his own department insisting TfL do it
www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk

Certainly seems The mayor is only doing as instructed by the government.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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fernandopartridge said:
20 points ahead yet terrified of their own shadow.
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No, what you're doing wrong is policies from the Tory party end up coming out of the Labour leader's mouth.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
Sometimes.

Contrarians like yourself have been doing this tiresome shite with every climate action proposal forever. So instead of a bunch of slow and cheap changes we have a load of quick expensive ones. And now you’re whining about that too because you’re fundamentally a ridiculous person.

How the car industry works is irrelevant, the change needs to be made. The excuses have run out.
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No it’s entirely relevant

Im not contrarian at all. It’s impossible to explain to you how global car companies operate and why governments could not change their planning - there’s no such thing as cheap changes

It’s also the poorer people that always get the brunt of such changes. Oddly now you’ve effectively become a Tory this is just irrelevant

You don’t seem to actually want to take any action at all that would personally impact you

www.scientificamerican.com

Eating Less Red Meat Is Something Individuals Can Do to Help the Climate Crisis

Our climate problem is big, but a person’s diet change can make an impact
www.scientificamerican.com www.scientificamerican.com

we went here before and you denied it makes a difference - as it would personally impact you
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Something a little hipster about “ha! As if winning matters in politics”. If he was that terrible people wouldn’t be planning to vote for him. The problem is that this bland crap works.
 
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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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fernandopartridge said:


It's going well

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To give it some context Sunak is on a -40 approval rating. His lowest ever following a recent drop of 6%. So in the big scheme of things it is going well relatively if you measure it against his only real rival. What isn’t going well is the population’s approval of politicians. UK politics is on its arse.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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skybluetony176 said:
To give it some context Sunak is on a -40 approval rating. His lowest ever following a recent drop of 6%. So in the big scheme of things it is going well relatively if you measure it against his only real rival. What isn’t going well is the population’s approval of politicians. UK politics is on its arse.
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You wouldn’t expect a decline from an opposition leader especially with a successful week in terms of elections
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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It feels like the next GE is headed towards an historically low turnout, which isn't usually great news for Labour.

In the midst of the biggest drop in the standard of living in generations the politicians just breed apathy, depressing as fuck.

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