just a couple of thoughts (1 Viewer)

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Repeatedly we have been assured that there is a sense of direction and a plan at CCFC. That the men in charge know what they are doing ............

thoughts ......

1) You allow a man to build a squad (whether i think he was good enough or not is not really relevant). You tell all and sundry that he is the man to do it. Then 3 games in having brought in 9 players you sack him. It just does not make financial sense in some ways, yes it might in some but not from a squad cost point of view. What TF and SW allowed to happen is that we are saddled with a big squad, of similar lightweight in general, players. Worse still we are locked into contractual agreements. It is not as if TF or SW are newcomers to football they were in charge at Charlton, so no excuses really. SW is director of football surely he has input not only into the contracts but also who gets a contract? financial ineptitude

2) lots of player movements ......... really not surprised..... it is what happened at Charlton under the dynamic duo. BUT it costs, throwing mud at a wall to see if anything sticks is not going to be cheap (and that is the impression you could get of our transfer policy........ mud on the wall). Surely targets are more specific than that ? More financial pressure is the result

3) We have no money, we cant afford more than the average rent ......... but we can bring in another couple of players so that we have by far the biggest senior squad in the division? Does that sound like a good logic to present to ACL, Charity or Council? Does that sound like a good way of getting some much needed financial co operation (not confrontation) from their business partners ?

4) We transfer list players signed in July on 3 year contracts in a period when there is no transfer market ...... hardly a sign of a well researched and needed purchase in the first place, MR cant help the timing of his appointment, but where was the directors assessment in the first place. For starters we had a lot of central defenders so why approve one that was a gamble, yes i know he hasnt cost a lot but we havent got a lot in the first place so any sum is significant.

5) It is all AT's fault........ we have heard both TF and SW say as much.... "we backed him gave him what he wanted". Well i am sure my employees want padded sofa chairs and waiter service in my office but they have bob hope and no hope of getting them! Surely there had to be a proper business case to each signing, a proper assessment of that players abilities, surely they didnt just rely on AT's say so ....... surely? Dont forget SW is director of football (kind of implies knowledge of players etc) and TF is not new to this. Not sure they can blame it all on AT. Given what they already knew surely the dynamic duo were more involved?

6) so it continues ...... money is wasted hand over fist at CCFC and we continue to make losses, struggle in the division. Things are supposed to be getting better..... but it is still the same old mistakes, still the smoke & mirrors, still the feeling of stumbling from one crisis to another ........ still the feeling of what the hell is going on

7) we all know we are lacking leadership, pace and strength in the squad....... yet it has not been addressed. Instead we have brought in players of a similar ilk that appear to lack the qualities needed. So more money to be spent to obtain the solutions we all know are necessary and to get rid of contracted surplus players from a 36 man squad. More wasted money

Is it any wonder ACL, the Charity, the council look at CCFC and wonder can the club be trusted to get its finances right............. SISU also probably wonder about how the finances at the club are operated too,.......... I would.......... I do!
 

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skybluegod

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the bit about him building a squad , is unless he brings in a permanent long term players then he wont be doing that will he? he's brought in one player we on and that's only own a short term deal
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
the bit about him building a squad , is unless he brings in a permanent long term players then he wont be doing that will he? he's brought in one player we on and that's only on a short term deal

thought Elliott, Kilbane, Edge, Malaga, Barton, Fleck, Jennings were on permanent contracts all signed by AT, TF, SW........ isnt aimed at MR, he has only been here "5 minutes" so cant reach any judgement about him. Think AT had made significant in roads into building his squad hadnt he ?
 

theprince

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But was it Andy Thorn who signed Kevin Malaga ? Funny how Mr Waggott has gone very quiet the last two or three weeks couldn't keep off the back pages a while ago. Perhaps another director to bite the dust.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
But was it Andy Thorn who signed Kevin Malaga ? Funny how Mr Waggott has gone very quiet the last two or three weeks couldn't keep off the back pages a while ago.

Thats one of the points i am making .......... in fact SW said on the radio that it was a team effort between AT TF and SW when players were signed. Have never bought into the fact that it was all down to AT...... if people look at Charlton when SW was there then there are some similarities in transfer dealings. I do not believe any of the signings were simply down to AT
 

Astute

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I am glad you only had a couple of points to air OSB ;)
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
just need to get it off my chest :D ... i have been a bit quiet of late ! ;)
 

TheRoyalScam

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Perhaps CCFC should form a 'One Direction' tribute band...........and call it 'No Direction'.;)
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
here is another thought ......

we have 36 players..... say they are all fit ......... we need 18 for first team........ the development team needs the other 18 ? if they play on the same day (which they do not seem to)............ but that would in theory include some of the academy U18's say four .......... that means at present, in those circumstances, our cash on the turnstiles is paying for at least 4 players to sit around doing nothing (and thats if they play on the same day its more players doing nothing if they dont play same day i would guess) :facepalm: yes i know we have to cover injuries but ..........

Our financial plan seems a shambles if you ask me ........... making cuts in some areas then wasting it in the worst area possible
 
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skybluegod

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thought Elliott, Kilbane, Edge, Malaga, Barton, Fleck, Jennings were on permanent contracts all signed by AT, TF, SW........ isnt aimed at MR, he has only been here "5 minutes" so cant reach any judgement about him. Think AT had made significant in roads into building his squad hadnt he ?

thought you meant MR
 

blueflint

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we all feel that money is wasted here not hard to reason that.our squad is defo to big and too low on quality.give MR time he may get ccfc to see sense and buy only quality as replacements.i hope so
 

Grendel

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The OP concerns though are correct. How an owner can be do restrictive last season and yet no allow the club to fund the biggest squad for years raises enormous questions about competence.

It's beyond explanation. The most damning aspect is of course the continued employment of thorn and then the sacking. It defies belief that thorn convinced them to give him another chance and they afforded him the opportunity. Especially given the rigourous interview process to select his replacement. Imagine thorn in that process? He wouldn't even be able to fill out an application form.

All very worrying.
 

coundonskyblue

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The last time I remember a summer where we built up a massive squad was when dowie was manager. Six months later when nearly went bust.
 

grego_gee

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3 year contract and plays 2 games before being told to leave, madness !
I thought it was strange that he was signed straight onto a three year contract when he'd only played in 2 games previously in the whole of his career!

:pimp:
 

Paxman II

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Spoken like a true accountant! ;)
Yes there have been many mistakes but there is always a very human element to football unlike many other busineses. They ditched Thorn quickly because they realised their mistake of giving him that opportunity was the wrong one. Football fans demand success quickly and football clubs try to give it to them. Survival was key. He had to go regardless of the players he brought in etc.
They have made a much more considered appointment this time and I hope it works and so do they no doubt.
The debt has been managed to a large degree and now that squad will be trimmed and realigned accordingly.
The question surely is: Have they learned from their mistakes?
 

SkyBlueScottie

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I personally believe he signed lots of players to bulk up the balance sheet so to speak, then if a gamble didnt pay off he could then trade them off and bring in a replacement rather than having a smaller squad but then goalposts are shifted and money he thought was there had gone elsewhere...
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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here is another thought ......

we have 36 players..... say they are all fit ......... we need 18 for first team........ the development team needs the other 18 ? if they play on the same day (which they do not seem to)............ but that would in theory include some of the academy U18's say four .......... that means at present, in those circumstances, our cash on the turnstiles is paying for at least 4 players to sit around doing nothing (and thats if they play on the same day its more players doing nothing if they dont play same day i would guess) :facepalm: yes i know we have to cover injuries but ..........

Our financial plan seems a shambles if you ask me ........... making cuts in some areas then wasting it in the worst area possible

A good number of these players are recent academy graduates to be fair, so it's not unreasonable to assume they'd still be involved quite a bit with the youth team. Surely it wouldn't be hard for us to simply loan out some of the surplus at the moment?
 

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