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Warwickhunt

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Sunnerland think we're quite expensive for the away teams this year so I think the Horse Punchers will not be coming in their droves this year!
 
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Peter Billing Eyes

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bigfatronssba said:
I think people have delusions of how big Coventry is.

The Coventry Urban area has a population of 360k. The Leicester urban area has a population of 508k. The two cities are not comparable.
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The urban area figures you are quoting are out of date. Irrespective, team support isn’t based purely on the built-up conurbation of a city or town, surely?
As an aside, the urban population stat for Leicester includes Wigston and Oadby which isn’t too dissimilar to Coventry if Bedworth and Nuneaton were included in the urban populace.
Also, Exhall is included in the built-up area for Coventry but Bedworth isn’t despite being connected to Exhall. Binley Woods is included despite being practically no closer to Coventry than Kenilworth. Millison’s Wood is excluded despite being historically part of Allesley and although considered part of Meriden is almost as close to Eastern Green as it is to Meriden.
It’s all very muddy, you might as well stick a finger in the air and say the potential support for Leicester is the City and County of Leicestershire and for Coventry it’s Coventry and Warwickshire despite both having supporters worldwide.
 
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bigfatronssba

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Peter Billing Eyes said:
The urban area figures you are quoting are out of date. Irrespective, team support isn’t based purely on the built-up conurbation of a city or town, surely?
As an aside, the urban population stat for Leicester includes Wigston and Oadby which isn’t too dissimilar to Coventry if Bedworth and Nuneaton were included in the urban populace.
Also, Exhall is included in the built-up area for Coventry but Bedworth isn’t despite being connected to Exhall. Binley Woods is included despite being practically no closer to Coventry than Kenilworth. Millison’s Wood is excluded despite being historically part of Allesley and although considered part of Meriden is almost as close to Eastern Green as it is to Meriden.
It’s all very muddy, you might as well stick a finger in the air and say the potential support for Leicester is the City and County of Leicestershire and for Coventry it’s Coventry and Warwickshire despite both having supporters worldwide.
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I agree that team support isn’t based purely on the built up conurbation, which makes comparisons between city sizes useless. That’s the point I’m trying to make.

Using that stat Leeds and Man City are amongst the worst supported teams in the country!
 
pusbccfc

pusbccfc

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shmmeee said:
The size of the city is irrelevant or Birmingham would get 50k per game. It's about the product on the pitch and nothing else. Comparing us to what are now an ex PL winner and a reasonably established PL side isn't apples to apples.

If we push top 6 this season we'll be selling out more often than not IMO.
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Birmingham are competing with a club who are in the top 10 biggest in the country plus others in the wider Birmingham area.

We are competing with Leamington and Nuneaton in the wider area of Warwickshire.
 
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pusbccfc

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Peter Billing Eyes said:
The urban area figures you are quoting are out of date. Irrespective, team support isn’t based purely on the built-up conurbation of a city or town, surely?
As an aside, the urban population stat for Leicester includes Wigston and Oadby which isn’t too dissimilar to Coventry if Bedworth and Nuneaton were included in the urban populace.
Also, Exhall is included in the built-up area for Coventry but Bedworth isn’t despite being connected to Exhall. Binley Woods is included despite being practically no closer to Coventry than Kenilworth. Millison’s Wood is excluded despite being historically part of Allesley and although considered part of Meriden is almost as close to Eastern Green as it is to Meriden.
It’s all very muddy, you might as well stick a finger in the air and say the potential support for Leicester is the City and County of Leicestershire and for Coventry it’s Coventry and Warwickshire despite both having supporters worldwide.
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Yep, the figures are all a bit messy.

In 2010 there were about 950,000 people with an LE postcode and around 820,000 with a CV postcode.

It's likely to have grown to around a 1,000,000 in CV, as Doug mentioned. That's a lot of people with some form of connection to Coventry.
 
pusbccfc

pusbccfc

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CCFC88 said:
Cinema shouldn't cost more than £10, gigs shouldn't cost more than £50 and a train to Brum should be no more than £2.50. Wake up it's not 2008
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How often do people go to see their favourite band compared to their football team?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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pusbccfc said:
Birmingham are competing with a club who are in the top 10 biggest in the country plus others in the wider Birmingham area.

We are competing with Leamington and Nuneaton in the wider area of Warwickshire.
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And Arsenal are competing with tens or hundreds of teams. Man City compete with Man Utd.

If you put on a decent product it doesn’t matter where you are or what’s around you.
 
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theferret

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pusbccfc said:
Yep, the figures are all a bit messy.

In 2010 there were about 950,000 people with an LE postcode and around 820,000 with a CV postcode.

It's likely to have grown to around a 1,000,000 in CV, as Doug mentioned. That's a lot of people with some form of connection to Coventry.
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Population of Leicestershire is 1.1 million. They'll also find less competition in places like Melton Mowbray than we get in Nuneaton and other Warwickshire towns full of Villa/Blues/Leicester fans. Leicester have a notably bigger catchment area than us to be honest.
 
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pusbccfc

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shmmeee said:
And Arsenal are competing with tens or hundreds of teams. Man City compete with Man Utd.

If you put on a decent product it doesn’t matter where you are or what’s around you.
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Of course but that's the whole point, we need to tap into it. Clearly it's working with season tickets but the long term aim is to develop the fan base like Leicester have through some success.

There are tiny towns in this country like Burnley pulling in 21k a week consistently. We should be looking at 26k a week this season but we are limited but outrageous matchday prices and still no match packages.
 
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theferret

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Gynnsthetonic said:
Block 26 now open
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They have opened about 10 rows. By this stage against Boro blocks 4, 5 and 27 were fully opened and well populated.

We ought to be selling more home tickets for this than an early kick off televised game and yet sales are behind and will remain so it seems. There is no positive spin here, these prices have not worked.

Stoke and Albion fans called for boycotts at last season's prices but didn't really act, but you'd expect there would be some follow through this season. You feel like we've crossed a line. There has been so much negative publicity over this.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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pusbccfc said:
Of course but that's the whole point, we need to tap into it. Clearly it's working with season tickets but the long term aim is to develop the fan base like Leicester have through some success.

There are tiny towns in this country like Burnley pulling in 21k a week consistently. We should be looking at 26k a week this season but we are limited but outrageous matchday prices and still no match packages.
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PL football is a game changer in terms of attendances and long term support. And has been getting more so over the years. You really can’t compare us to any side that’s been in the PL in the last twenty years IMO.

I honestly believe that if we went up next season we’d sell out every game and even if we came straight back we’d see mid twenties averages unless we dropped out the division again.
 
Astute

Astute

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hamertime said:
It’s simple supply and demand, would you sell a car for 15k if someone was prepared to pay 18k.
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Yes supply and demand.

If you had 12,000 cars and someone was prepared to pay 18k what about the other 11,999?
 
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hamertime

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Astute said:
Yes supply and demand.

If you had 12,000 cars and someone was prepared to pay 18k what about the other 11,999?
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City are maximising revenue on the back of a bit of success. They obviously think this will continue as they knew they were investing more so people have to pay what it’s worth.

I doubt they would have put these prices there if they thought it was gonna be a poor season, shows ambition for me.
 
Astute

Astute

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hamertime said:
City are maximising revenue on the back of a bit of success. They obviously think this will continue as they knew they were investing more so people have to pay what it’s worth.

I doubt they would have put these prices there if they thought it was gonna be a poor season, shows ambition for me.
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Ambition is considering the future. Pricing children out of becoming long term supporters isn't considering the future.

All empty seats are also a lost opportunity and lost income.
 
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hamertime

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Astute said:
Ambition is considering the future. Pricing children out of becoming long term supporters isn't considering the future.

All empty seats are also a lost opportunity and lost income.
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There are probably more kid season ticket holder than ever (genuine ones).
 
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wingy

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Astute said:
Ambition is considering the future. Pricing children out of becoming long term supporters isn't considering the future.

All empty seats are also a lost opportunity and lost income.
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No true but if its an adult bum on a seat when we're up there, of course you could they will adults but until then?
 
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hamertime

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It’s a completely different argument that’s been discussed on different threads. At the end of the day you can’t turn a football stadium in to a crèche, people had the opportunity to buy kids season tickets at £50 which is crazy value.
 
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Astute

Astute

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wingy said:
No true but if its an adult bum on a seat when we're up there, of course you could they will adults but until then?
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I got hooked as a kid. Went with mates. Didn't have an adult to take me.

Could I raise £25 as a kid?

Every situation is different. STH's that take kids to occasional games won't pay £25 for their kids. The occasional supporter taking a couple of kids will think twice about paying nearly £100.

There's no defence for charging kids £25. If we sold out nearly every week it would be a different matter. But how many times have we sold out in the last 20 years?
 
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hamertime

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Astute said:
I got hooked as a kid. Went with mates. Didn't have an adult to take me.

Could I raise £25 as a kid?

Every situation is different. STH's that take kids to occasional games won't pay £25 for their kids. The occasional supporter taking a couple of kids will think twice about paying nearly £100.

There's no defence for charging kids £25. If we sold out nearly every week it would be a different matter. But how many times have we sold out in the last 20 years?
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It’s not £25 though is it. A kid u14 JSB member can get a ticket for a cat c game for £10 u18 £15 people are bending the facts to support an argument. People should just take very young kids Cat C games.
 
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fernandopartridge

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hamertime said:
It’s not £25 though is it. A kid u14 JSB member can get a ticket for a cat c game for £10 u18 £15 people are bending the facts to support an argument. People should just take very young kids Cat C games.
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How much is a JSB membership?

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Grendel

Grendel

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Astute said:
I got hooked as a kid. Went with mates. Didn't have an adult to take me.

Could I raise £25 as a kid?

Every situation is different. STH's that take kids to occasional games won't pay £25 for their kids. The occasional supporter taking a couple of kids will think twice about paying nearly £100.

There's no defence for charging kids £25. If we sold out nearly every week it would be a different matter. But how many times have we sold out in the last 20 years?
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how can a STH take a child to an occasional game?
 
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hamertime

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Grendel said:
how can a STH take a child to an occasional game?
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Go the ticket office, buy an additional ticket and ask them to move your seat for one game so they are together. Did it many times last season. Also in the JSB pack there are loads of vouchers to takes people with you cheaply.
 
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croatskyblue

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theferret said:
They have opened about 10 rows. By this stage against Boro blocks 4, 5 and 27 were fully opened and well populated.

We ought to be selling more home tickets for this than an early kick off televised game and yet sales are behind and will remain so it seems. There is no positive spin here, these prices have not worked.

Stoke and Albion fans called for boycotts at last season's prices but didn't really act, but you'd expect there would be some follow through this season. You feel like we've crossed a line. There has been so much negative publicity over this.
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“these prices have not worked”- its Tuesday. At least give it until the match to make conclusions like that.
 
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