Ccfcisparks
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if he's in sheffield for a funeral on the day of the game i'd be surprised if he plays in all honesty.
Match Thread Hull (A) Friday 15th September (13 Viewers)
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Matt smith
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Yeah maybe you’re right parks
dunno what you’d do with the back 3
bobby binks Kitching probably
so tempting to throw Lati in
Ccfcisparks
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I'd imagine we will go the first 3. Big risk changing 2 of the 3.
Would be nice if we could go
Thomas Kitching Lati
but unsure if we will.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Kitching would need to be on the left I think. Don’t really want Thomas on the wrong side
Matt smith
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Bobby binks Kitching is changing 2 of the 3
only way we don’t is by playing Lati but I don’t think we will
least we should have a good bench
Matt smith
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Bobby right binks central Kitching left
would be a big oppertunity for binks, it’s just who we play central
and people were saying why do we need him
that’s 10 million well have spent on 3 of those 5 defenders who will start Friday
BlueSkiesForever
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I see the Godden love-squad is out in full force again Don’t know why people get so offended when anyone suggests that maybe Godden could be dropped for one game, even if it’s just to give game time to our new strikers and/or to give us new ideas up front.
Before anyone starts accusing me of Godden-hate, I don’t dislike Godden, he’s done us proud for a while now but he’s also not some untouchable superstar that shouldn’t be dropped under any circumstances. Last season he didn’t start in that many games as we obviously had Gyokeres, clearly he’s nowhere near as vital as Gyokeres was for us so I don’t know why everyone is so concerned about dropping him this season.
So far this season Godden’s scored 3 championship goals that almost any striker could have scored, he’s not particularly quick, doesn’t press with any particular gusto and isn’t that tall or strong. People are too quick to say “well he’s scored 38% of our championship goals this season!” or “you want to drop our top goalscorer?!” but then don’t think about the additional goals that could have been scored if we’d have tried something different up front. Maybe a lone Wright or a Wright/Simms combo would have scored more and got us that extra goal in games that we drew.
I reckon that this Hull game is going to be really tough, I think we’d do well to win it tbh, so maybe changing it up this game isn’t the best thing to do with Lati, Palmer and Dasilva already potentially being out, but I think going forward (for one game at least, surely that’s not much to ask?) we should try something different up front. I’m with Shmmeee on this one, there’s way too much Simms hate and too much Godden love, yes he’s a good finisher but we need to think about other attributes on top of finishing that strikers can bring to the game.
Don’t know why people get so offended when anyone suggests that maybe Godden could be dropped for one game, even if it’s just to give game time to our new strikers and/or to give us new ideas up front.Before anyone starts accusing me of Godden-hate, I don’t dislike Godden, he’s done us proud for a while now but he’s also not some untouchable superstar that shouldn’t be dropped under any circumstances. Last season he didn’t start in that many games as we obviously had Gyokeres, clearly he’s nowhere near as vital as Gyokeres was for us so I don’t know why everyone is so concerned about dropping him this season.
So far this season Godden’s scored 3 championship goals that almost any striker could have scored, he’s not particularly quick, doesn’t press with any particular gusto and isn’t that tall or strong. People are too quick to say “well he’s scored 38% of our championship goals this season!” or “you want to drop our top goalscorer?!” but then don’t think about the additional goals that could have been scored if we’d have tried something different up front. Maybe a lone Wright or a Wright/Simms combo would have scored more and got us that extra goal in games that we drew.
I reckon that this Hull game is going to be really tough, I think we’d do well to win it tbh, so maybe changing it up this game isn’t the best thing to do with Lati, Palmer and Dasilva already potentially being out, but I think going forward (for one game at least, surely that’s not much to ask?) we should try something different up front. I’m with Shmmeee on this one, there’s way too much Simms hate and too much Godden love, yes he’s a good finisher but we need to think about other attributes on top of finishing that strikers can bring to the game.
clint van damme
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I see the Godden love-squad is out in full force again
Before anyone starts accusing me of Godden-hate, I don’t dislike Godden, he’s done us proud for a while now but he’s also not some untouchable superstar that shouldn’t be dropped under any circumstances. Last season he didn’t start in that many games as we obviously had Gyokeres, clearly he’s nowhere near as vital as Gyokeres was for us so I don’t know why everyone is so concerned about dropping him this season.
So far this season Godden’s scored 3 championship goals that almost any striker could have scored, he’s not particularly quick, doesn’t press with any particular gusto and isn’t that tall or strong. People are too quick to say “well he’s scored 38% of our championship goals this season!” or “you want to drop our top goalscorer?!” but then don’t think about the additional goals that could have been scored if we’d have tried something different up front. Maybe a lone Wright or a Wright/Simms combo would have scored more and got us that extra goal in games that we drew.
I reckon that this Hull game is going to be really tough, I think we’d do well to win it tbh, so maybe changing it up this game isn’t the best thing to do with Lati, Palmer and Dasilva already potentially being out, but I think going forward (for one game at least, surely that’s not much to ask?) we should try something different up front. I’m with Shmmeee on this one, there’s way too much Simms hate and too much Godden love, yes he’s a good finisher but we need to think about other attributes on top of finishing that strikers can bring to the game.
I don't get offended when people suggest dropping our top scorer. Just bemused at the stupidity of it.
To say hes scored 3 goals anyone could have scored is taking the madness to new levels!
What does it even mean?!
I agree there's too much Simms hate, I've not said a word against him personally, but he shouldn't be started ahead of Godden on current form.
shmmeee
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He’s been handed three on a plate two by Wright and one by Eccles. Let’s be honest. He takes up good positions. But maybe without him on the pitch our other poacher would have been there to tap them in instead but also have offered something the other 89 mins.
Robins says he’s there because he knows the system. I’m just hoping after a solid two weeks of training he’s not the only one.
shmmeee
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This is always the way. Because of the mental reaction I’m now forced to do down Godden. This will trigger Evo who will days he’s Clarke Bourton reincarnated. Then Grendel will show up with some chuckle emojis and before you know it everyone’s Israel Palestine over team selections.
It’s just a fucking forum team selection. What I put here has no impact on the real world.
It’s just a fucking forum team selection. What I put here has no impact on the real world.
clint van damme
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If You think his goal against Watford was on plate its pointless arguing with you.
If you want a definition of on a plate look at chances missed by him and Simms against Watford.
And don't 'on a plate chances' count now?!
File next to penalties!
shmmeee
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Not sure if you’re intentionally missing my point or if I’m explaining myself badly. Goddens strength is his positioning. I imagine that’s also the role Simms is there for. Playing them both together means you hinder one. Usually Simms because he’s newer so the team know Goddens movements. I don’t think Goddens in amazing form. I think he’s scored a couple and most have been tap ins others have provided. Which would imply losing him for another poacher wouldn’t be that detrimental.
FFS I’ll just take the average team and post that next game, save all the bed wetting.
clint van damme
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That still doesn't justify dropping the man in form!
And you're not alone in asking for this, my first post this morning wasn't in response to you
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And goals in play off games.
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His goalscoring record is top 6.
Oh that old favouritism word. Would you prefer he didn't have any idea who his best players are and just pick them randomly?
I want my manager to have favourites as long as they are the best players.
fernandopartridge
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I see the Godden love-squad is out in full force againDon’t know why people get so offended when anyone suggests that maybe Godden could be dropped for one game, even if it’s just to give game time to our new strikers and/or to give us new ideas up front.
Before anyone starts accusing me of Godden-hate, I don’t dislike Godden, he’s done us proud for a while now but he’s also not some untouchable superstar that shouldn’t be dropped under any circumstances. Last season he didn’t start in that many games as we obviously had Gyokeres, clearly he’s nowhere near as vital as Gyokeres was for us so I don’t know why everyone is so concerned about dropping him this season.
So far this season Godden’s scored 3 championship goals that almost any striker could have scored, he’s not particularly quick, doesn’t press with any particular gusto and isn’t that tall or strong. People are too quick to say “well he’s scored 38% of our championship goals this season!” or “you want to drop our top goalscorer?!” but then don’t think about the additional goals that could have been scored if we’d have tried something different up front. Maybe a lone Wright or a Wright/Simms combo would have scored more and got us that extra goal in games that we drew.
I reckon that this Hull game is going to be really tough, I think we’d do well to win it tbh, so maybe changing it up this game isn’t the best thing to do with Lati, Palmer and Dasilva already potentially being out, but I think going forward (for one game at least, surely that’s not much to ask?) we should try something different up front. I’m with Shmmeee on this one, there’s way too much Simms hate and too much Godden love, yes he’s a good finisher but we need to think about other attributes on top of finishing that strikers can bring to the game.
Don’t know why people get so offended when anyone suggests that maybe Godden could be dropped for one game, even if it’s just to give game time to our new strikers and/or to give us new ideas up front.Godden has got into good positions to get on the end of chances in every game so far, so with him in the side
1. We're creating chances
2. He's getting on the end of them
Anybody advocating dropping him on top of other missing regulars in a team that is still coming together is just a completely bizarre idea and appears miles away from Robins' thinking.
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BlueSkiesForever
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He’s scored 3 championship goals this season though! 3! And people go around saying he’s some kind of footballing messiah. I admit the Watford goal wasn’t that easy but by the same token I’m sure people would be slating Simms or Wright if either of them missed it, so it wasn’t exactly a difficult goal to put away. The other 2 goals Godden scored we’re basically just simple tap-ins from a couple of yards out.
I’ve no idea why you seem to think it’s madness that almost any other striker could have scored 2 out of 3 of those goals, literally any single striker in the championship would be expected to get a shot on target with all of those goals. The almost blind faith we have in Godden without looking at other options (even it’s just for one single game) is quite worrying. No one thought this about him last year when we had Gyokeres but because he’s scored 3 easy enough goals this season he’s now undroppable. No player should ever be undroppable, sometimes you make a change based on what you think the opposition will struggle with the most, I don’t believe that for every game this season Godden will be the one player that oppositions fear.
BlueSkiesForever
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But you’ve overlooked the whole point of my message that you quoted, we’re not creating enough chances, that’s the issue. If we created 100 chances a game then I’d have absolutely no issue in playing Godden whatsoever because you know that he’s going to score about 20-30% of those goals so we’d be winning something like 25-0 most games but we’re creating like 2-3 serious chances in most games, it’s only when we come across a shoddy defence like Boro or Watford that we score more than 1 goal atm.
What I was saying is that maybe Godden is a goalscorer but what he doesn’t do is add anything to the team in the way of creating chances. He doesn’t give us height or strength or amazing pressing or pace, he just taps goals in, which is not to be overlooked but atm I don’t feel that what’s we need, we need to create more chances and whether that’s starting Wright up top as a sole striker or starting Simms and Wright together, allowing Wright to pick up the ball and run at defenders, maybe use Simms as a target man or something, we just need to do something different because every week I watch our midfield lose the ball because there’s no movement up top or because the strikers aren’t giving the midfield any options, and it all piles on the pressure to our defence which means we spend a lot of time running backwards rather than forwards. I just think something new needs to be tried, even if it’s just for one game, we can put it to bed then.
Is it for the slow death of Sheffield United as a Premier League club?
SlowerThanPlatt
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I'd like to see Simms and Wright together, but at the same time I think it would be silly to drop Godden while he's scoring.
I think what would be ideal is to bring Simms on for Godden if we're comfortably ahead, but the chances of that are slim. Another option is to bring him on for Godden if Godden isn't looking very effectual. Yes, people will say that he can suddenly get a goal after being anonymous for the entire game, but we do need to see the two new lads together. We've not spent that kind of money to just give up on playing them together already. Most likely outcome is Godden picks up an injury and Simms plays by default.
I think what would be ideal is to bring Simms on for Godden if we're comfortably ahead, but the chances of that are slim. Another option is to bring him on for Godden if Godden isn't looking very effectual. Yes, people will say that he can suddenly get a goal after being anonymous for the entire game, but we do need to see the two new lads together. We've not spent that kind of money to just give up on playing them together already. Most likely outcome is Godden picks up an injury and Simms plays by default.
clint van damme
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Let's stick Dasilva in goal Friday.
We'll never know if he'd concede less than Wilson unless we give him a chance.
We'll never know if he'd concede less than Wilson unless we give him a chance.
fatso
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No ones offended mate, it's just a fucking stupid idea.I see the Godden love-squad is out in full force again
Before anyone starts accusing me of Godden-hate, I don’t dislike Godden, he’s done us proud for a while now but he’s also not some untouchable superstar that shouldn’t be dropped under any circumstances. Last season he didn’t start in that many games as we obviously had Gyokeres, clearly he’s nowhere near as vital as Gyokeres was for us so I don’t know why everyone is so concerned about dropping him this season.
So far this season Godden’s scored 3 championship goals that almost any striker could have scored, he’s not particularly quick, doesn’t press with any particular gusto and isn’t that tall or strong. People are too quick to say “well he’s scored 38% of our championship goals this season!” or “you want to drop our top goalscorer?!” but then don’t think about the additional goals that could have been scored if we’d have tried something different up front. Maybe a lone Wright or a Wright/Simms combo would have scored more and got us that extra goal in games that we drew.
I reckon that this Hull game is going to be really tough, I think we’d do well to win it tbh, so maybe changing it up this game isn’t the best thing to do with Lati, Palmer and Dasilva already potentially being out, but I think going forward (for one game at least, surely that’s not much to ask?) we should try something different up front. I’m with Shmmeee on this one, there’s way too much Simms hate and too much Godden love, yes he’s a good finisher but we need to think about other attributes on top of finishing that strikers can bring to the game.
fatso
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It's only 90 minutes from Sheffield to Hull
skyblueelephant76
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I don't agree that he's not good at pressing, his off the ball work is very good and the Watford own goal came from Godden closing his man down.
We are currently creating chances and scoring goals, the bigger issue has been the defence going walkabout against Swansea and Watford.
clint van damme
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When Godden closes down he does it with purpose, loads of strikers just go through the motions and don't seem to have real intent.
Walker seemed to be like that at times.
Boicey
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His record over the last few seasons is nowhere near top 6.
As very frequently mentioned over the years he is often anonymous and doesn’t contribute enough. Despite that he was auto picked by Robins and not subbed. There is a cost to that favouritism. Ditto Palmer.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Isn’t his goals per minutes one of the best in the league in that time? How else are you measuring record?
fernandopartridge
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It isn't madness of course but it is in the current context
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shmmeee
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How long do you give Godden without scoring before Simms gets a chance? Obviously most of this hangs on Simms in training, but I just don’t feel Godden is in undroppable form. It wasn’t long ago that he was fingers in the ears-ing is because he was getting stick for how he was playing. Couple of tap ins later and he’s undroppable. If Simms makes us a better side (and if he doesn’t why on Earth did we sign him), surely it’s better to actually start using him and getting used to him. I get the idea of Godden telling people what to do but a professional footballer shouldn’t need it and when it’s Simms he’s playing for the same role. So what is Simms actually learning?
Boicey
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How about what everyone uses goals(mediocre) and assists(dreadful)
mmttww
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Feel like that's harsh. Watford goal was a good strike and he busted his arse to be on the end of it.