USSR invades Ukraine. (23 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

But why do you as an individual actually care unless you’ve been influenced?

First they came for communists....

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Because they won’t - it’s odd people are so invested in a country which is equally racist homophobic and transphobic- it’s a vile place - just don’t know why we care

Because one is trying to influence and invade another nation, the other is not.

One is engaging in trying to undermine societies around the world and has attacked people on our own soil without a single fuck given.

I doubt you genuinely believe that Putin will just stop at Ukraine if he won, or even the rest of the old Soviet bloc, but if you do you're stupidly naive.

 

[shmmeee]

Because they won’t - it’s odd people are so invested in a country which is equally racist homophobic and transphobic- it’s a vile place - just don’t know why we care

You’re so cool.

 

[hamertime]

Russia is a fantasy, they couldn’t even invade their nearest neighbours it’s like us failing to invade Scotland. The Americans are laughing their heads off seeing a snake eat itself. Completely deluded nation who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. If they set a nuke off it would probably fall on themselves.

 

[PVA]

Credit where it's due, the Russians do comedy very well

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Russia is a fantasy, they couldn’t even invade their nearest neighbours it’s like us failing to invade Scotland. The Americans are laughing their heads off seeing a snake eat itself. Completely deluded nation who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. If they set a nuke off it would probably fall on themselves.

 

[hamertime]

Your living in a time warp

 

[PVA]

The US has agreed to send ATACMS to Ukraine. Finally.

Also looks like Ukranian forces have made some good breakthroughs in the south in the ‘infamous’ counteroffensive.

 

[fernandopartridge]

"if every Ukrainian dies in that decade it’s mission accomplished"

As for this shit... Good grief.

Do you really think the US cares about the fate of Ukrainian people?

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[Grendel]

Do you really think the US cares about the fate of Ukrainian people?

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Even he can’t be that gullible

 

[fernandopartridge]

You laughed at the idea that Russia should completely withdraw and pay reparations?

That's the sort of approach to negotiating that is designed to guarantee no agreement

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's the sort of approach to negotiating that is designed to guarantee no agreement

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Well anything short of that suggests Ukraine should cede some more territory in exchange for what would effectively be a cease fire.

 

[skybluetony176]

Do you really think the US cares about the fate of Ukrainian people?

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Compared to what? Standing by and doing nothing? That would be the ultimate not caring about the fate of the Ukrainian people. Do nothing and put them in the hands of a Vichy Russian puppet government, isolating Ukraine from the rest of the world at the hands of a madman intent on wiping Ukraine from existence and anyone who resists him in the former Ukraine being subject to the full brutality of the Russian state including assassination, torture, imprisonment without trial etc etc etc. Let’s try putting your question in to some sort of context. Fact is the vast majority of Ukrainians believe in their freedom and sovereignty as you are witnessing with your own eyes. Your question is unreasonable because it doesn’t consider the alternative. They are and always were going to fight. The West only has two choices. Assist them for the quickest possible solution or do nothing and condemn them to years of not decades of a protracted guerrilla war and decades of brutality. If you were bothered about the fate of the Ukrainian people you’d be behind helping them.

 

[PVA]

Do you really think the US cares about the fate of Ukrainian people?

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I don't think they see every single Ukranian dying as 'mission accomplished', no.

Bold take I know.

 

[Grendel]

I don't think they see every single Ukranian dying as 'mission accomplished', no.

Bold take I know.

That wasn’t his question

 

[PVA]

That wasn’t his question

No, but that's what you said, and it's what I was referring to when I said it was a load of absolute shite.

 

[Grendel]

No, but that's what you said, and it's what I was referring to when I said it was a load of absolute shite.

So you wont answer him then

 

[shmmeee]

Do you really think the US cares about the fate of Ukrainian people?

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What a weird deflection.

 

[SBT]

Do you really think the US cares about the fate of Ukrainian people?

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I don’t think military intervention has to be 100% altruistic to be justified, or to earn public support.

 

[Grendel]

I don’t think military intervention has to be 100% altruistic to be justified, or to earn public support.

I don’t think he said it did.

 

[Grendel]

If you were bothered about the fate of the Ukrainian people you’d be behind helping them.

Well it’s a question - I don’t think the answer will be very popular

 

[shmmeee]

Can we rate the feelings of allies in wars?

Did the Italians truly love the Germans?

Were Britain BFFs with France during WW2?

Did Russia have feels for Afghanistan?

So many questions. Not least how land masses can embody emotion.

 

[Grendel]

Can we rate the feelings of allies in wars?

Did the Italians truly love the Germans?

Were Britain BFFs with France during WW2?

Did Russia have feels for Afghanistan?

So many questions. Not least how land masses can embody emotion.

his point - as you well know is that the US see this as a war which can be utilised to deplete what they believe as a true enemy in Russia. There can’t be a regime change strategy here at all.

Italy had a shared ideology with Germany

The Uk saw a threat to its own sovereignty as Germany advanced

The US has no incentive at all for this war to ever end. It’s a perfect scenario to keep it going for eternity

 

[PVA]

Can we rate the feelings of allies in wars?

Did the Italians truly love the Germans?

Were Britain BFFs with France during WW2?

Did Russia have feels for Afghanistan?

So many questions. Not least how land masses can embody emotion.

You missed off Germany and USSR, a tale as old as time.

Fall in love and get married, only for one of them to break their holy promise to each other by cheating on them just two years later

 

[shmmeee]

his point - as you well know is that the US see this as a war which can be utilised to deplete what they believe as a true enemy in Russia. There can’t be a regime change strategy here at all.

Italy had a shared ideology with Germany

The Uk saw a threat to its own sovereignty as Germany advanced

The US has no incentive at all for this war to ever end. It’s a perfect scenario to keep it going for eternity

So you think because there “can’t be a regime change” the war must last forever.

Let’s be blunt here, you and FP have been batting for Russia from the start here and rub your hands with glee at any bad news for Ukraine because you somehow see it as a poke in the eye for the West.

Fact is no, I don’t think the EU wants war on its doorstep and constant depletion of its reserves and US doesn’t want the latter either. I suspect without a well played PR campaign from Zelensky they wouldn’t have given what they have.

This childish fantasy you have that all that’s stopping the war from ending is Ukraine giving up is ludicrous and ignores the entire history of war and that region. The only way this war ends is a peace treaty and the only way Russia come to the table is if they stand to lose something.

 

[PVA]

That's a great post, nailed it.

 

[fernandopartridge]

So you think because there “can’t be a regime change” the war must last forever.

Let’s be blunt here, you and FP have been batting for Russia from the start here and rub your hands with glee at any bad news for Ukraine because you somehow see it as a poke in the eye for the West.

Fact is no, I don’t think the EU wants war on its doorstep and constant depletion of its reserves and US doesn’t want the latter either. I suspect without a well played PR campaign from Zelensky they wouldn’t have given what they have.

This childish fantasy you have that all that’s stopping the war from ending is Ukraine giving up is ludicrous and ignores the entire history of war and that region. The only way this war ends is a peace treaty and the only way Russia come to the table is if they stand to lose something.

The only childish fantasies around here are you and the other action men believing that a military victory will lead to a peace treaty.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Anyway, back to the war itself.

Remember about a month ago when apparently the tide had turned and Russia were about to take Donbas...

...well they've barely made any gains in the last month. Still taking big losses, morale is still shit, command keeps changing because they don't know what they are doing.

Yet 15 months on....

 

[Grendel]

So you think because there “can’t be a regime change” the war must last forever.

Let’s be blunt here, you and FP have been batting for Russia from the start here and rub your hands with glee at any bad news for Ukraine because you somehow see it as a poke in the eye for the West.

Fact is no, I don’t think the EU wants war on its doorstep and constant depletion of its reserves and US doesn’t want the latter either. I suspect without a well played PR campaign from Zelensky they wouldn’t have given what they have.

This childish fantasy you have that all that’s stopping the war from ending is Ukraine giving up is ludicrous and ignores the entire history of war and that region. The only way this war ends is a peace treaty and the only way Russia come to the table is if they stand to lose something.

You are totally delusional. The fact you once on here put a treaty on “rules of war” shows you think it’s a game. BSB thinks Russia should pay reparations.

The US has indulged in brutal warmongering for decades including torture and grossly illegal activity

The US foreign policy has always wanted a situation where Russian forces are occupied for as long as it can draining its resources and involved in a conflict - it doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine and it certainly does not want any peace settlement.

 

[PVA]

Yet 15 months on....

Yet 15 months on... what?

15 months on that post is still accurate and Russia didn't take Donbas, as I was told in here, in fact they've gone backwards.

Thanks for proving I was right

 

[fernandopartridge]

Yet 15 months on... what?

15 months on that post is still accurate and Russia didn't take Donbas, as I was told in here, in fact they've gone backwards.

Thanks for proving I was right

The tone of your message is pretty clear

 

[skybluetony176]

The only childish fantasies around here are you and the other action men believing that a military victory will lead to a peace treaty.

I don’t think anyone thinks that they’ll be a peace treaty so long as Putin is in control. He said as much only in July. All Ukraine has to do is defeat Russia and Russia retreat back to the borders they agreed when the Soviet Union collapsed. That doesn’t require a peace treaty. It also increasingly looks like the only possible outcome. Also kind of ironic that you accuse others of being childish while throwing lazy tropes around like Action Man.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I don’t think anyone thinks that they’ll be a peace treaty so long as Putin is in control. He said as much only in July. All Ukraine has to do is defeat Russia and Russia retreat back to the borders they agreed when the Soviet Union collapsed. That doesn’t require a peace treaty. It also increasingly looks like the only possible outcome. Also kind of ironic that you accuse others of being childish while throwing lazy tropes around like Action Man.

It really is that simple

 

[Grendel]

It really is that simple

He read it on Wiki

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You are totally delusional. The fact you once on here put a treaty on “rules of war” shows you think it’s a game. BSB thinks Russia should pay reparations.

The US has indulged in brutal warmongering for decades including torture and grossly illegal activity

The US foreign policy has always wanted a situation where Russian forces are occupied for as long as it can draining its resources and involved in a conflict - it doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine and it certainly does not want any peace settlement.

Considering the indulgence in destruction and killing on Russia's part, yes they should pay reparations. The idea you've floated where Ukraine gives up some territory in exchange for peace is straight out of the Sudetenland play book. It didn't stop the aggressor then and it wouldn't now as Putin doesn't recognise Ukraine's right to exist.

In fact, we don't even have to look to the 1930s for the best example, just look at 2014 instead.