USSR invades Ukraine. (103 Viewers)

[PVA]

Ukraine signals a shift toward defense as analysts ask whether 'failed counteroffensive' is over

Ukraine signaled it's shifting its military tactics to a more defensive footing after an analysis of Russia's resource capabilities, and as winter arrives.

www.cnbc.com

I’m starting to think our guys on the frontline were wrong. It also looks like the infamous counter-offensive is over.

Saying that with such obvious glee is a bit weird.

And the headline is clearly very sensationalist and doesn't really reflect what's in the 'article', if you can call it that.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Saying that with such obvious glee is a bit weird.

And the headline is clearly very sensationalist and doesn't really reflect what's in the 'article', if you can call it that.

It’s hardly ‘said’ with glee. It’s been the reality of the situation for a while now.

 

[Sick Boy]

As will the next 20% until it’s all gone.

It’s naive to think there wouldn’t be pretty strict conditions attached to any settlement.

 

[PVA]

It’s naive to think there wouldn’t be pretty strict conditions attached to any settlement.

I'm sure Russia will follow those restrictions to the absolute letter.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s naive to think there wouldn’t be pretty strict conditions attached to any settlement.

It’s naive to think Putin would give a fuck

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm sure Russia will follow those restrictions to the absolute letter.

It’s naive to think Putin would give a fuck

He would do if the alternative was to ultimately declare war on the USA. There’s next to no chance now of Ukraine getting Russia out of the occupied territories and Crimeia.

In the grand scheme of things the much hyped counteroffensive made little progress. It’s a war that neither side is going to win.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He would do if the alternative was to ultimately declare war on the USA. There’s next to no chance now of Ukraine getting Russia out of the occupied territories and Crimeia.

In the grand scheme of things the much hyped counteroffensive made little progress. It’s a war that neither side is going to win.

Ukraine was persuaded to give up Crimea in exchange for peace. Lasted 8 years

 

[skybluetony176]

We’ve already had these strict conditions. It’s called the Budapest Agreement. Means shit when dealing with someone like Putin. What’s that saying about doing the same things expecting different results?

 

[Sick Boy]

Ukraine was persuaded to give up Crimea in exchange for peace. Lasted 8 years

No it wasn’t. The fighting didn’t stop.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No it wasn’t. The fighting didn’t stop.

Weakens the argument for surrendering territory even further

 

[Grendel]

There’s plenty of evidence that Ukraine is close to cutting off Crimea. Most notably the recent attacks on the Naval base. If Russia can’t resupply its troops there it’s only a matter of time before they capitulate.

Russias military is in disarray. They’re struggling for ammunition, they’re struggling for heavy equipment, they’ve got no modern weapons that are functional for anything past a parade, they’re now trying to recruit from occupied Ukraine. All Russia had was bluff, I think if Putin bought the bluff. He thought he had a modern military, he thought he had the Ukrainian public on side, bought by the influence of a few pro Russian Ukrainian oligarchs and he surrounded himself by yes men who took the money to build a modern army and buy influence in Ukraine who told him what he wanted to hear and not the truth. There is no win for Putin unless the West capitulates and hands him one, which is essentially what you’re suggesting.

When’s the capitulation happening again tony?

 

[PVA]

When’s the capitulation happening again tony?

It's nearly two years since you said Kyiv was about to capitulate

 

[Grendel]

It's nearly two years since you said Kyiv was about to capitulate

Not sure what that has to do with my point

Has crimea fallen - is it close?

 

[shmmeee]

Not sure what that has to do with my point

Has crimea fallen - is it close?

Has Kyiv?

Bit weird you supporting Israel and Russia when Hamas is a Russia ally.

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s almost like it’s a stalemate.

 

[PVA]

Not sure what that has to do with my point

Has crimea fallen - is it close?

Well it's just that you were mocking someone over a point/prediction made a couple of months ago for not happening yet.

So presumably your prediction from almost two years ago must have happened by now?

I know which one is closer to happening.

 

[Sick Boy]

Well it's just that you were mocking someone over a point/prediction made a couple of months ago for not happening yet.

So presumably your prediction from almost two years ago must have happened by now?

I know which one is closer to happening.

Neither of them are likely to happen.

 

[wingy]

Military Complex will be disappointed if it's supplying on only one front?

 

[skybluetony176]

Not sure what that has to do with my point

Has crimea fallen - is it close?

It’s closer than Kyiv. The war is at least on its doorstep.

 

[Grendel]

Well it's just that you were mocking someone over a point/prediction made a couple of months ago for not happening yet.

So presumably your prediction from almost two years ago must have happened by now?

I know which one is closer to happening.

Neither are close - the only thing that’s close is more and more death.

 

[Grendel]

It’s closer than Kyiv. The war is at least on its doorstep.

When’s it happening?

 

[Grendel]

Nearly 20,000 children deported to Russia, Ukraine’s human rights commissioner says – as it happened | Ukraine | The Guardian

Ukraine human rights commissioner says more and more children are being deported each day

amp.theguardian.com

 

[wingy]

Be a shame that, only one front to supply.

 

[Grendel]

Sounds very close

Ukraine war: Soldier tells BBC of front-line 'hell' - BBC News

A Ukrainian soldier on the east side of the Dnipro river tells the BBC about life on the front line.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[PVA]

When’s it happening?

When is Kyiv falling?

It's only about 650 days since you said it was going to happen within a few days

 

[PVA]

Sounds very close

Ukraine war: Soldier tells BBC of front-line 'hell' - BBC News

A Ukrainian soldier on the east side of the Dnipro river tells the BBC about life on the front line.

www.bbc.co.uk

War on the front line is fucking awful, obviously. Not sure what point you think you're making there.

 

[skybluetony176]

When’s it happening?

Kyiv? Never. Crimea? Before Kyiv.

 

[skybluetony176]

Sounds very close

Ukraine war: Soldier tells BBC of front-line 'hell' - BBC News

A Ukrainian soldier on the east side of the Dnipro river tells the BBC about life on the front line.

www.bbc.co.uk

See, all you’ve done there is confirm that the front line is on the doorstep of Crimea. Which is exactly what I said. For clarity Kyiv is over 800 kilometres north of that point.

 

[PVA]

Fucking MAGA wankers

Russian disinfo campaigns work again

 

[shmmeee]

Not just Ukraine but Taiwan and Israel too…

 

[wingy]

Just slipped out today by Dowden about interference here.

 

[Flying Fokker]

this could be a grave error: The US is running away from/ towards a catastrophic error.

Putin is close to victory. Europe should be terrified

With the Ukraine conflict languishing in stalemate, the possibility that Russian president Vladimir Putin might yet emerge victorious from his ill-judged invasion cannot be ignored, with all the implications such an outcome would have for Europe’s security.

uk.yahoo.com

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

this could be a grave error: The US is running away from/ towards a catastrophic error.

Putin is close to victory. Europe should be terrified

With the Ukraine conflict languishing in stalemate, the possibility that Russian president Vladimir Putin might yet emerge victorious from his ill-judged invasion cannot be ignored, with all the implications such an outcome would have for Europe’s security.

uk.yahoo.com

Theres a constant social media war raging lurching one way and the other.
In reality, Russia are no nearer victory and the west haven't stopped supplying arms and munitions to Ukraine despite an lot of the stories appearing. The people in Ukraine still support the war. There does seem to be more dissent within Russia from bits that are getting through but we won't ever see the full story.

 

[Sick Boy]

The much hyped up counteroffensive achieved very little and it’s likely leaders have realised it’s a war that isn’t going to be won and are shifting towards a settled agreement.

 

[Grendel]

The much hyped up counteroffensive achieved very little and it’s likely leaders have realised it’s a war that isn’t going to be won and are shifting towards a settled agreement.

Let’s hope so