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Cov_92

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MusicDating said:
Why are gaps essential here but not at lots of other grounds?...

If there's a gap, fans will run into it. As we saw with Derby, with our fans last week and plenty of other times.

This lack of understanding of football fans behaviour is bewildering.
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It's not a lack of understanding of fans, I have been an active supporter for all my adult life,home and away. If t's far greater concerns from regulatory and statute bodies regarding operations and risk. There are evaluations going on all of the time, to provide the best supporter experience, coupled with managing passions and emotions. Ideally I'd love to see a small natural line along the metal.bars in 13 and 6 and reduce the huge numbers of policing, it all costs money and takes away the engagement of fans,players and culture. It's a workplace for those on the seg lines and working within employment and safety laws is unavoidable.
 
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bigfatronssba

bigfatronssba

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Boicey said:
A side issue, but how many cops or stewards would fancy standing right in the middle of two sets of chavs playing junior hardman for 90 mins?
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At the risk of sounding like an entitled knob, if you're not willing to do that sort of work, don't become a copper or steward
 
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pusbccfc

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bigfatronssba said:
At the risk of sounding like an entitled knob, if you're not willing to do that sort of work, don't become a copper or steward
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100%. Your job is to keep a few scrawny teenagers at bay.

It's a job done by many others around the country multiple days a week.
 
Boicey

Boicey

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bigfatronssba said:
At the risk of sounding like an entitled knob, if you're not willing to do that sort of work, don't become a copper or steward
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Im not sure coppers join up to do that tbh. It’s probably the extreme end of stewarding as well.
Having said that they’d become experts on ‘hold me back, let me at him’.
 
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Cov_92

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Boicey said:
Im not sure coppers join up to do that tbh. It’s probably the extreme end of stewarding as well.
Having said that they’d become experts on ‘hold me back, let me at him’.
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Some of those entering the stewarding route do so to supplement University courses, others it's the only work they can get with minimal qualifications, some because they love CCFC. Policing, because you are deployed or in on overtime. Either way some have to for survival
 
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Cov_92

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pusbccfc said:
100%. Your job is to keep a few scrawny teenagers at bay.

It's a job done by many others around the country multiple days a week.
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The stewarding and security sector is on it's knees at the moment, poor recruitment,no retention, and poor pay. The "scrawny teenagers" eat into most football budgets for protecting venue and people. They also have to enforce the huge push on those that are persistent standers, venues across the country are having seats killed in areas where this is happening. Nothing to do with the clubs,it's the work of our regulators, hence why some clubs are having to go with Permanent Standing sections.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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It would be simple to have one or two single-rail fences at just about waist height either side of a single aisle which is able to be filled with coppers and/or stewards. You see that set-up at many grounds, even in the Prem. Or better still, a single taller fence at the line of segregation? There is NO evacuation strategy that would move sideways rather than down the normal exit route or onto the pitch. You see this set-up all over Europe, and our health & safety laws are in no major way more restrictive than theirs.
 
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Cov_92

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OffenhamSkyBlue said:
It would be simple to have one or two single-rail fences at just about waist height either side of a single aisle which is able to be filled with coppers and/or stewards. You see that set-up at many grounds, even in the Prem. Or better still, a single taller fence at the line of segregation? There is NO evacuation strategy that would move sideways rather than down the normal exit route or onto the pitch. You see this set-up all over Europe, and our health & safety laws are in no major way more restrictive than theirs.
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Totally agree, you can't go from widest seg in football to nothing in three games, small improvements+ supporter engagement buy in is vital.
 
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fernandopartridge said:
I'm a bit annoyed that I've bought a ticket already as I'd have liked to sit there

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Bit bollocks isn’t it.

Bought 3 tickets last week fairly high up in the corner (26) because there were very few left together. Now find out if I’d have waited I could’ve got much better seats.
 
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Cov_92

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skybluecam said:
Bit bollocks isn’t it.

Bought 3 tickets last week fairly high up in the corner (26) because there were very few left together. Now find out if I’d have waited I could’ve got much better seats.
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13 won't be opened for this fixture, so your seats are only available
 
itsabuzzard

itsabuzzard

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OffenhamSkyBlue said:
It would be simple to have one or two single-rail fences at just about waist height either side of a single aisle which is able to be filled with coppers and/or stewards. You see that set-up at many grounds, even in the Prem. Or better still, a single taller fence at the line of segregation? There is NO evacuation strategy that would move sideways rather than down the normal exit route or onto the pitch. You see this set-up all over Europe, and our health & safety laws are in no major way more restrictive than theirs.
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I was wondering if an inanimate barrier would be allowed, which would minimise empty seats, and you've just answered that. Thick perspex would allow you to see the whites of their eyes.
 
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Cov_92

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itsabuzzard said:
I was wondering if an inanimate barrier would be allowed, which would minimise empty seats, and you've just answered that. Thick perspex would allow you to see the whites of their eyes.
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Empty seats = lost revenue. Every club in the land would be looking to sell as many seats as possible, whilst working within public safety parameters. As somebody has already mentioned, a few "leary teenagers" are what hamper these opportunities of reduced segregation lines/barriers. And ultimately the cost of securing these areas.
 
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itsabuzzard

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SOCCFC said:
Empty seats = lost revenue. Every club in the land would be looking to sell as many seats as possible, whilst working within public safety parameters. As somebody has already mentioned, a few "leary teenagers" are what hamper these opportunities of reduced segregation lines/barriers. And ultimately the cost of securing these areas.
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Do you work in an official capacity for the club?
 
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joemercersaces

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OffenhamSkyBlue said:
It would be simple to have one or two single-rail fences at just about waist height either side of a single aisle which is able to be filled with coppers and/or stewards. You see that set-up at many grounds, even in the Prem. Or better still, a single taller fence at the line of segregation? There is NO evacuation strategy that would move sideways rather than down the normal exit route or onto the pitch. You see this set-up all over Europe, and our health & safety laws are in no major way more restrictive than theirs.
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Used to be the way in the West End in the 70s. Two parallel barriers from back to front about a metre apart, filled with coppers, with both sets of fans flobbing at each other across the divide. The good old days.
 
pusbccfc

pusbccfc

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Ideal time to try 13. It's not a high risk game and the demand is there.

Even with 13 open, there's still a large block of seats and the exit tunnel under the stadium separating fans
 
bigfatronssba

bigfatronssba

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SOCCFC said:
Empty seats = lost revenue. Every club in the land would be looking to sell as many seats as possible, whilst working within public safety parameters. As somebody has already mentioned, a few "leary teenagers" are what hamper these opportunities of reduced segregation lines/barriers. And ultimately the cost of securing these areas.
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I think though a lot of us object to this suggestion that we’re a trouble making fan base when that stats show that we’re not.

It’s time to get fans in those seats.
If a few leary teenagers get in I expect the stewards and police to do the job they’re paid to do
 
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nunchuckas

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SOCCFC said:
Empty seats = lost revenue. Every club in the land would be looking to sell as many seats as possible, whilst working within public safety parameters. As somebody has already mentioned, a few "leary teenagers" are what hamper these opportunities of reduced segregation lines/barriers. And ultimately the cost of securing these areas.
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We're not the only club in the country with "leary teenagers". We are, however, the only club in the country that needs an entire block, or more, in segregation.

The question, in the event of a potential sell out should be: 'do we close 1 row or 2 rows for segregation?'. Not entire blocks of 10-15% of the stadium.

It's Coventry Vs. Sheffield Wednesday, not Boca Juniors Vs River Plate at La Bombonera.
 
pusbccfc

pusbccfc

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bigfatronssba said:
I think though a lot of us object to this suggestion that we’re a trouble making fan base when that stats show that we’re not.

It’s time to get fans in those seats.
If a few leary teenagers get in I expect the stewards and police to do the job they’re paid to do
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Very little segregation at Leeds Saturday. Are we worse than them or are their stewards better trained to handle potential issues?
 
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Cov_92

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itsabuzzard said:
Do you work in an official capacity for the club?
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itsabuzzard said:
Do you work in an official capacity for the club?
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itsabuzzard said:
Do you work in an official capacity for the club?
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itsabuzzard said:
Do you work in an official capacity for the club?
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bigfatronssba said:
I think though a lot of us object to this suggestion that we’re a trouble making fan base when that stats show that we’re not.

It’s time to get fans in those seats.
If a few leary teenagers get in I expect the stewards and police to do the job they’re paid to do
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I'm not sure there has been any reference to CCFC being a "trouble fan base" far from it tbh.
 
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Cov_92

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pusbccfc said:
Very little segregation at Leeds Saturday. Are we worse than them or are their stewards better trained to handle potential issues?
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I completely agree and each club approaches things differently. We have gone from huge segregated lines to drastically reduced ones in a few matches, there must be a plan to open up more seats?
The stadium looks far more fan friendly, I say it's looking the best for ages and happy with the progress.
 
bigfatronssba

bigfatronssba

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SOCCFC said:
I'm not sure there has been any reference to CCFC being a "trouble fan base" far from it tbh.
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That’s how it feels with the excessive segregation.
For instance I still haven’t heard a satisfactory explanation as to why block 13 couldn’t be open in the play offs
 
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