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Best thing is for him to pass away as a replacement would have some wriggle room to do a deal that might be acceptable/justifiable to both ukraine and Russian people
Depends who the replacement is as well - things could be worse!
 

skybluetony176

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Visiting 2 countries that aren’t in the ICC to try and get them to fix the barrel price of crude oil is hardly evidence that they’re going to invest heavily in Russia. If anything it’s confirmation that Putin is desperate. You have to remember that as much as these 2 countries have a long standing relationship with Russia they have a much larger one with the west. The UAE and the US are strategic security partners in the Middle East and Gulf States, it even has a permanent military base in the UAE as part of that, it relies heavily on the US for security. Both countries also rely heavily on western armaments. I would be shocked if either would risk that to keep Putin in power. They will after all still have the option of doing trade with Russian whether Putin is there or not.
 

PVA

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"Putin describes the US as an important country but accuses it of imperialism. He urges the US to 'respect other people and countries'"

Err...
 

PVA

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Interest rate in Russia is up to 16%, inflation up to 8%. Ruble is depreciating. Hopefully (probably wishful thinking) opinion will start to turn on Putin and the war.
 

tisza

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Interest rate in Russia is up to 16%, inflation up to 8%. Ruble is depreciating. Hopefully (probably wishful thinking) opinion will start to turn on Putin and the war.
Plus the obvious massive ramp in military spending at the expense of other areas of govt spending
 
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Interest rate in Russia is up to 16%, inflation up to 8%. Ruble is depreciating. Hopefully (probably wishful thinking) opinion will start to turn on Putin and the war.
It's a bit risky turning against Putin or the war in Russia (see Prigozhin and everyone jailed for criticising the war). I think he'll win the election too. If we're holding out for the overthrow of Putin and the rest of the current regime I think we might be waiting quite a while.
 

tisza

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It's a bit risky turning against Putin or the war in Russia (see Prigozhin and everyone jailed for criticising the war). I think he'll win the election too. If we're holding out for the overthrow of Putin and the rest of the current regime I think we might be waiting quite a while.
Definitely wins the election and opposition severely handcuffed in terms of party financing, media coverage, key personnel in jail or left the country
 
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It's a bit risky turning against Putin or the war in Russia (see Prigozhin and everyone jailed for criticising the war). I think he'll win the election too. If we're holding out for the overthrow of Putin and the rest of the current regime I think we might be waiting quite a while.
Still not convinced whoever follows him will be a liberal friend of the West, anyway!
 

Grendel

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Interest rate in Russia is up to 16%, inflation up to 8%. Ruble is depreciating. Hopefully (probably wishful thinking) opinion will start to turn on Putin and the war.

You do realise that is paradise compared to Gorbachev and when he dallied with Western democracy?
 

Grendel

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Still not convinced whoever follows him will be a liberal friend of the West, anyway!

Why does no one understand Gorbachev is loathed on Russia and the flirtation with Western democracy proved a disaster and it’s population will move ever further away from this if challenged?
 

Fysnkysc

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It's a bit risky turning against Putin or the war in Russia (see Prigozhin and everyone jailed for criticising the war). I think he'll win the election too. If we're holding out for the overthrow of Putin and the rest of the current regime I think we might be waiting quite a while.
Win? 🤣
 

PVA

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This - if anything they'll be even more hostile. Will keep saying it but I think we're at the start of the balance of global power slowly moving away from the west.

They can't be any more hostile than Putin unless they want to be the person that destroys Russia.
 
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They can't be any more hostile than Putin
Nobody could possibly be more hostile than Lenin...

And Brezhnev was pretty bad, but Andropov certainly not an improvement! Also didn't result in the withdrawal from their military operations elsewhere.
 

PVA

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Nobody could possibly be more hostile than Lenin...

And Brezhnev was pretty bad, but Andropov certainly not an improvement! Also didn't result in the withdrawal from their military operations elsewhere.

Very different times though!

The only possible escalations from what Putin has done are to invade a NATO country and/or launch a nuke.

So they can be more hostile than Putin....but they'll destroy Russia in the process.
 

Grendel

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Sending 300,000 Russians and counting to an early grave for an ego trip sure sounds like paradise

Point missed as always
 

Grendel

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Very different times though!

The only possible escalations from what Putin has done are to invade a NATO country and/or launch a nuke.

So they can be more hostile than Putin....but they'll destroy Russia in the process.

You have no understanding of Russia’s history and it’s culture at all
 

Grendel

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300,000 dead is quite a big point actually. Maybe not to you.

27 million Russians died in WW2 - Uncle Joe wasnt removed
 

Grendel

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Like I said, very different times.

Is it a different culture? I have asked what you know about the Russian culture and stoicism - the reality is you know nothing but you carry on and let’s see what happens in the end shall we - perhaps you will repeat the amazing insight that Russia has become Chinas bitch - without realising the irony of such a statement.
 

PVA

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Is it a different culture? I have asked what you know about the Russian culture and stoicism - the reality is you know nothing but you carry on and let’s see what happens in the end shall we - perhaps you will repeat the amazing insight that Russia has become Chinas bitch - without realising the irony of such a statement.

I mean you said Kyiv would fall inside 3 days and that WW3 would start as soon as Ukraine received jets so really there's only one of us who knows nothing.
 

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