USSR invades Ukraine. (42 Viewers)
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Grendel
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Er yes it is me. The point being all the West has done is prop up and cheerleader Ukraine into letting it’s people die.
With no actual military aid and support this would have ended a long time ago.
Oddly you can’t reverse what has happened
We are now where we are but there is growing realism this has to at some cease and it will never cease until Ukraine are forced to concede territory - this is inevitable now.
It will carry on until politicians feel Russia won’t be able to rebuild within a few years and do it all somewhere else in a few years.
The cost to Russia has to be great enough they won’t be able to try this again
Seems to be what Putin is attempting.
Grendel
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They won’t try it again. Ukraine has always been a target for Russia - the notion they are going to return to the old Soviet Republic is for the birds.
Yeah it’s what, the third time in 10 years they’ve taken a bit of the republic back by force? Nothing to see here.
Grendel
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Correct there is nothing to see. The notion it’s going to steamroll through the former states of Poland , Czech Republic etc is beyond ridiculous.
Of course this is what was said about the regions they are steamrolling through now but this time it’s definitely true. Probably.
Let’s assume you’re right though. How would you explain to a Ukrainian that they should simply sit this out and see what life is like under Russian rule?
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They were never part if the USSR. It would be places like Georgia and the Baltic states.
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Of course it's of global significance!!
Ukraine's government is corrupt so it's only right they are replaced by an even more corrupt government. Or something.
skybluetony176
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In the last Polls about 59% of US public support aid to Ukraine, only 30% outright oppose it. Even in the senate’s only about half of republicans oppose funding Ukraine in any shape, way or form and that’s the MAGA contingent whose only purpose seems to be to oppose everything. I don’t know what the notion that the US doesn’t support Ukraine comes from but it’s not based in reality.
Grendel
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Breadbasket status don't know the details of rest of it but something about British interests in agriculture?
Grendel
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Do you have a link to that?
Who runs the Ukrainian government is up to the Ukrainian people.
It is not for Vladimir Putin to decide.
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Any idea how much of the world's food comes from Ukraine? Food security is pretty globally significant.
Its even more important than that. Really interesting article from Matthew syed in the Sunday times which I meant to attach earlier in the week
Here’s a snippet
‘Let’s circle back to Ukraine. Did you know that it has been described by Jonathan Maxwell in his superb book The Edge as a “mineral superpower”? Did you know it has the second-largest gas reserves in Europe after Norway? Or that the Donbas boasts one of the largest coal deposits in the world? And that Ukraine has stocks of 117 of the 120 most widely used metals and minerals, including manganese, sulphur, graphite, titanium and nickel? Did you know that one think tank has estimated the mineral wealth now under Russian control in Ukraine at $12.4 trillion, which is nearly four times the UK’s GDP (albeit the former is a stock, the latter a flow).’
skybluetony176
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Poll finds strong support for arming Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
A Reagan Institute poll found high public support for arming friendly U.S. countries and high military spending as Congress negotiates a giant aid package.
www.defensenews.com
skybluetony176
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It’s almost as if Putins motivation is nothing to with Nazis and everything to do with mineral wealth.Its even more important than that. Really interesting article from Matthew syed in the Sunday times which I meant to attach earlier in the week
Here’s a snippet
‘Let’s circle back to Ukraine. Did you know that it has been described by Jonathan Maxwell in his superb book The Edge as a “mineral superpower”? Did you know it has the second-largest gas reserves in Europe after Norway? Or that the Donbas boasts one of the largest coal deposits in the world? And that Ukraine has stocks of 117 of the 120 most widely used metals and minerals, including manganese, sulphur, graphite, titanium and nickel? Did you know that one think tank has estimated the mineral wealth now under Russian control in Ukraine at $12.4 trillion, which is nearly four times the UK’s GDP (albeit the former is a stock, the latter a flow).’
shmmeee
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Its even more important than that. Really interesting article from Matthew syed in the Sunday times which I meant to attach earlier in the week
Here’s a snippet
‘Let’s circle back to Ukraine. Did you know that it has been described by Jonathan Maxwell in his superb book The Edge as a “mineral superpower”? Did you know it has the second-largest gas reserves in Europe after Norway? Or that the Donbas boasts one of the largest coal deposits in the world? And that Ukraine has stocks of 117 of the 120 most widely used metals and minerals, including manganese, sulphur, graphite, titanium and nickel? Did you know that one think tank has estimated the mineral wealth now under Russian control in Ukraine at $12.4 trillion, which is nearly four times the UK’s GDP (albeit the former is a stock, the latter a flow).’
This is the real kicker. Handing Putin large chunks of the energy and food supply chain is madness. Unless you’re tankie Grendel who believes every word of a Putin interview of course.
Grendel
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Poll finds strong support for arming Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
A Reagan Institute poll found high public support for arming friendly U.S. countries and high military spending as Congress negotiates a giant aid package.
Depends what the question is
Almost half of Americans think U.S. spending too much on Ukraine aid, AP-NORC poll says
Close to half of the U.S. public thinks the country is spending too much on aid to Ukraine.
www.pbs.org
Grendel
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I haven’t listened to the interview. No one believes mr Putin
And you are aware why he was overthrown, right?
So what do you think is better for the Ukrainian people, which do you think they'd choose:
Be influenced by the US
or
Cease to exist as a country and live under Russian rule
Hmmm. Tricky one isn't it.
Fucking idiot.
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Have to admit I never saw you as a supporter of Daniel Ortega until now!
skybluetony176
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On a different manifesto to the one he actually tried to implement. We’re not talking Lib Dem’s not delivering free university here. He done a complete 180, he ran on a manifesto of signing an already agreed trade deal with the EU which the vast vast majority of Ukrainians backed and instead signed a trade deal with Russia. They also held fresh elections straight after. He acted like a dictator and Ukraine wholesale rejected that.
skybluetony176
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Ukraine-Russia war live: Moscow laying groundwork for Moldova invasion, warn experts
The Kremlin is using “very similar” rhetoric towards Moldova as it did before its invasion of Ukraine, the Institute for the Study of War reported.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Sick Boy
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Interesting quote from your article:Ukraine-Russia war live: Moscow laying groundwork for Moldova invasion, warn experts
The Kremlin is using “very similar” rhetoric towards Moldova as it did before its invasion of Ukraine, the Institute for the Study of War reported.
Ukrainians overwhelmingly trust the former armed forces chief over his newly-appointed replacement as confidence in President Zelensky drops, a survey has found.
That’s despite him saying the war is a stalemate, something I got hammered for on here.