Do you want to discuss boring politics? (165 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’ve said I’m not voting or will for a fringe party - probably the Greens

Vote green for reform

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

The only firm decision I have made is that I'm not voting Labour again while Starmer is the leader.

As I said in my last post I feel politically homeless, so someone is going to have to work hard if they want my vote.

Yeah sunak is the man he’s done and doing such a good job

 

[PVA]

You admitted at an age when most are at their most politically active you needed parent guidance. I was chairman of my course at that age in the Student Union

I didn't need guidance. You do realise I didn't literally ask them who to vote for?

Everyone else was out partying at that age, you were 'chairman' of your course. Hahaha suddenly it all makes sense.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah sunak is the man he’s done and doing such a good job

Hes hopeless. It’s a zombie government and a zombie opposition - neither have any vision

 

[PVA]

The only firm decision I have made is that I'm not voting Labour again while Starmer is the leader.

As I said in my last post I feel politically homeless, so someone is going to have to work hard if they want my vote.

I'm not saying you have to vote for Labour.

I'm saying that giving 'self-serving, unprincipled' as a reason not to vote for Labour means you cannot possibly vote Conservative given their behaviour, particularly in the last 4 years.

 

[Grendel]

I didn't need guidance. You do realise I didn't literally ask them who to vote for?

Everyone else was out partying at that age, you were 'chairman' of your course. Hahaha suddenly it all makes sense.

Oh I partied much harder than most. Students are oddly very active politically.

Was it Michael Howard you voted for?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You admitted at an age when most are at their most politically active you needed parent guidance. I was chairman of my course at that age in the Student Union

As a student I campaigned for the only vote I’ve been on the winning side in since 2010. Thought it was easy…

 

[JAM See]

I couldn't give a flying fuck who any of you vote for.

However, if you don't vote, you will go down in my estimation.

"Blah blah, they're all the same, blah blah, they don't represent me, blah blah, the Daily Mail says I should hate Starmer, blah blah the guardian says I should hate Starmer"

Fuck off.

If you don't vote, the rich have won. They've disenfranchised you, not by law, but by social media.

PR and CV.

 

[clint van damme]

Think this confirms that Hoyle was talking absolute bullshit when he said what he did durring the Gaza ceasefire vote was about MPs safety.

Diane Abbott slams Speaker for not calling her to talk on race row despite standing up over 40 times

The MP - who is still suspended from the parliamentary Labour Party - questions "whose interests" Sir Lindsay Hoyle is serving after she did not speak in a debate about her safety.

news.sky.com

 

[Grendel]

Think this confirms that Hoyle was talking absolute bullshit when he said what he did durring the Gaza ceasefire vote was about MPs safety.

Diane Abbott slams Speaker for not calling her to talk on race row despite standing up over 40 times

The MP - who is still suspended from the parliamentary Labour Party - questions "whose interests" Sir Lindsay Hoyle is serving after she did not speak in a debate about her safety.

news.sky.com

Apparently she stood up 37 times in the debate and was ignored every time.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Apparently she stood up 37 times in the debate and was ignored every time.

Seems he takes his orders from Starmer

 

[StrettoBoy]

I'm not saying you have to vote for Labour.

I'm saying that giving 'self-serving, unprincipled' as a reason not to vote for Labour means you cannot possibly vote Conservative given their behaviour, particularly in the last 4 years.

Where have I said that I would vote Conservative? I said I feel politically homeless.

 

[shmmeee]

Where have I said that I would vote Conservative? I said I feel politically homeless.

What are you looking for?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Apparently she stood up 37 times in the debate and was ignored every time.

40+

 

[shmmeee]

Find it interesting to hear moderate Tory voices right now, looking like being on the receiving end of a 2019 style defeat and how the party reacts to that. Almost an exact mirror of Labour. One side says the Tories problem is they aren’t right wing enough, the other that they need to be more moderate to attract voters.

I assume many on here would agree with the former and think the route back to power for the Tories (Labour) is to go full far right (left) to stop losing voters to Reform (Green) rather than becoming blue (red) Labour (Tories).

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I couldn't give a flying fuck who any of you vote for.

However, if you don't vote, you will go down in my estimation.

"Blah blah, they're all the same, blah blah, they don't represent me, blah blah, the Daily Mail says I should hate Starmer, blah blah the guardian says I should hate Starmer"

Fuck off.

If you don't vote, the rich have won. They've disenfranchised you, not by law, but by social media.

PR and CV.

Where do you stand on spoiling your ballot? Thats probably what I'll be doing. (My constituency is nailed on labour regardless by the way)

 

[shmmeee]

Where do you stand on spoiling your ballot? Thats probably what I'll be doing. (My constituency is nailed on labour regardless by the way)

Just save yourself the hassle and don’t vote if that’s what you want to do. Spoiling a ballot seems to only serve the purpose of being able to tell people you know that you spoiled your ballot because your political opinions are special and you’re not just too lazy or inflexible to vote.

 

[PVA]

Where have I said that I would vote Conservative? I said I feel politically homeless.

You have said you would vote for them if they have a good manifesto.

I just don't see how it's possible to say you won't vote Labour for your given reasons (which is fine, perfectly entitled not to vote for them), yet then consider voting Tory when those reasons are even more applicable to them. It's crazy!

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Just save yourself the hassle and don’t vote if that’s what you want to do. Spoiling a ballot seems to only serve the purpose of being able to tell people you know that you spoiled your ballot because your political opinions are special and you’re not just too lazy or inflexible to vote.

Thats one opinion. Surely its better than not voting as a spoiled ballot is counted?

What if all the millions of people who feel disenfranchised, disaffected, angry, un-represented, conned, fed-up or just apathetic actually went to the polls & spoiled their ballots?


EDIT: What is spoiling your ballot, and how do you do it? - Voting Counts

 

[shmmeee]

Thats one opinion. Surely its better than not voting as a spoiled ballot is counted?

What if all the millions of people who feel disenfranchised, disaffected, angry, un-represented, conned, fed-up or just apathetic actually went to the polls & spoiled their ballots?


EDIT: What is spoiling your ballot, and how do you do it? - Voting Counts

Then nothing would change. It’s recorded, but just an overall number. There’s no granular data on why people did it. It might be a small segment on the news about how we must engage more, and we’d carry on as normal. There’s no mechanism whereby it would lead to change.

If you want to change politics you have to do it the old fashioned way of convincing a large amount of people to think like you. The fact is that like yourself, those thinking of spoiling their ballot rely on being in safe seats by definition. Which means that their vote by definition doesn’t matter that much to those trying to get elected. So they can be safely ignored. Because if it wasn’t a safe seat, deep down, we all know you’d be able to find someone you can hold your nose and choose as the shiniest turd.

From the little I’ve seen close up of electoral politics, spoiled ballots are at absolute best a funny story cos someone drew a cock. They’re generally seen as akin to the green pen brigade that write letters to the telegraph, the weird bloke who comes to surgery to complain about his neighbours wall, and other political oddballs you can safely ignore.

 

[Grendel]

Then nothing would change. It’s recorded, but just an overall number. There’s no granular data on why people did it. It might be a small segment on the news about how we must engage more, and we’d carry on as normal. There’s no mechanism whereby it would lead to change.

If you want to change politics you have to do it the old fashioned way of convincing a large amount of people to think like you. The fact is that like yourself, those thinking of spoiling their ballot rely on being in safe seats by definition. Which means that their vote by definition doesn’t matter that much to those trying to get elected. So they can be safely ignored. Because if it wasn’t a safe seat, deep down, we all know you’d be able to find someone you can hold your nose and choose as the shiniest turd.

From the little I’ve seen close up of electoral politics, spoiled ballots are at absolute best a funny story cos someone drew a cock. They’re generally seen as akin to the green pen brigade that write letters to the telegraph, the weird bloke who comes to surgery to complain about his neighbours wall, and other political oddballs you can safely ignore.

Have a no suitable candidate option on the ballot

 

[fernandopartridge]

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[Grendel]

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Abbott has now shared info about labour figures on WhatsApp saying similar offensive things about her - so she’s toast

 

[fernandopartridge]

Abbott has now shared info about labour figures on WhatsApp saying similar offensive things about her - so she’s toast

I reckon Shmmeee knew this was coming next hence his earlier posts

 

[SBT]

A special carve-out for “Christian values” - have the Islamists lost control of the country already?

 

[shmmeee]

I reckon Shmmeee knew this was coming next hence his earlier posts

Amazing batshittery. Truly next level.

 

[wingy]

A special carve-out for “Christian values” - have the Islamists lost control of the country already?

Narrative not suitable!

 

[wingy]

Get them Out, shouldn't even be in power!

 

[wingy]

Unelected Gov't!

 

[wingy]

Fascist state, carry on comfortable with that ,fuck off!

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Apparently she stood up 37 times in the debate and was ignored every time.

Good. She does that really patronising thing where she continuously closes her eyes briefly when she's explaining to people who actually do have a clue.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Yeah sunak is the man he’s done and doing such a good job

He would be a really good used car salesman.

 

[StrettoBoy]

What are you looking for?

A good start would be sensible economic and tax policies to drive growth by encouraging start-up businesses and the businesses of the future which must inevitably include green energy. We need this to generate the money that is needed to fund the NHS and other public services and to help the poorest in society.

I am generally, although this is something of an over-simplification, a bit right of centre on economic and tax policies and a bit left of centre on social policies.

The Conservatives haven't done a great job on the economy in recent years, whilst accepting that COVID and Ukraine didn't help. I do give them some credit for bailing out the country during the pandemic, even though it came at a hugh cost and has saddled the country with a huge mountain of debt.

My dilemma is that I don't trust a word Starmer says, as he seems to do a U-turn on everything depending upon the audience he is addressing.

I may end up voting LibDem, although if I do it will be with a distinct lack of enthusiasm. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one of the major parties comes up with a good manifesto. If Labour's is clearly better then I may have to hold my nose and vote for them, although it doesn't sit happily with me whilst Starmer is the leader.

 

[wingy]

A good start would be sensible economic and tax policies to drive growth by encouraging start-up businesses and the businesses of the future which must inevitably include green energy. We need this to generate the money that is needed to fund the NHS and other public services and to help the poorest in society.

I am generally, although this is something of an over-simplification, a bit right of centre on economic and tax policies and a bit left of centre on social policies.

The Conservatives haven't done a great job on the economy in recent years, whilst accepting that COVID and Ukraine didn't help. I do give them some credit for bailing out the country during the pandemic, even though it came at a hugh cost and has saddled the country with a huge mountain of debt.

My dilemma is that I don't trust a word Starmer says, as he seems to do a U-turn on everything depending upon the audience he is addressing.

I may end up voting LibDem, although if I do it will be with a distinct lack of enthusiasm. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one of the major parties comes up with a good manifesto. If Labour's is clearly better then I may have to hold my nose and vote for them, although it doesn't sit happily with me whilst Starmer is the leader.

Gerrymandering, increase of population,make up?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Apparently she stood up 37 times in the debate and was ignored every time.

Well my Mrs said it was 46. Dianne Abbott counted 107