Context, not the hang all question in this case, could be written as a question?
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One of the central themes of the article is the tendency to look for a compelling, coherent and obvious explanation for something horrific and often unexplainable.
The defence argued that her writing those words was the stream-of-consciousness ramblings of an overworked nurse crumbling under the pressure of trauma and suspicion from her superiors; the prosecution argued they were a confession. It takes more than just the narrative making sense in one’s mind to determine which is closer to the truth.
The prosecution claimed she may have used a plastic medical tube to injure one of the babies: Lucy Letby trial: Medical tool may have injured baby, expert says
Your version of the photos story sounds like it’s untrue: Lucy Letby sent couple a photo of their baby - and they spotted chilling detail
Brighton Sky Blue
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The article goes over the discrepancies with the high insulin levels - and the feasibility of whether it could be used to murder a baby - in detail, citing multiple medical experts.
The article is most interesting to me not because it provides a smoking gun to her guilt/innocence, but because it casts so much doubt on a story that the media would have you believe was sewn up long ago.
I don’t see how people could confidently predict this was an “open and shut” case (let alone take part in the usual violent fantasies that fill threads like this one) even before the trial had started. The publication of a story like this makes it even more uncertain and extraordinary.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Otis
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I certainly don't think there is any harm at all in going over the case. Be nice to know that justice was indeed served.
rob9872
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Imagine the shock of SBT promoting the article, despite a police investigation, a legal process, expert medical witnesses and 12 peers of a jury having drawn conclusions over a lengthy and complex trial.
I'm sure it's well meaning and well written, I might even read and digest it later, but this surely can't be taken as evidential and must be simply 'another side' taken at face value only.
Absolutely no agenda here at all.
I'm sure it's well meaning and well written, I might even read and digest it later, but this surely can't be taken as evidential and must be simply 'another side' taken at face value only.
Absolutely no agenda here at all.
What’s my agenda?
Bizarrely dismissive thing to say given you openly admit to not even trying to read the piece. I’m glad you have that much faith in the justice system though!
I gotta admit, I know this is a truly disturbing case to consider, but I thought after the Mr Bates vs the Post Office stuff there would be a bit more skepticism over the workings of the British legal system. And I certainly didn’t expect people to openly come out and say “The case took a long time and a jury agreed so it must have been fine”.
Sky Blue Pete
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11 peers in the and 10-1 majority
Brighton Sky Blue
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It would take a lot for me to be convinced that she didn’t do it but willing to hear the arguments.
Otis
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Yes. Same here.
But the British justice system does worry me at times. Just think it's worth someone going over this with a fine toothed comb.
Grendel
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Based on 1 aticle?
To be on the side of my profession? The idea that I would take “sides” with a woman convicted of murdering children out of some weird loyalty to a journalist I’ve never met is pretty ridiculous - go back and look at the posts I’ve made questioning the media’s coverage of this case to date.
Maybe you just generally take issue with the media holding the authorities to account, but who else would you expect to come out and publicly challenge a verdict like this one? The fire brigade?
Sky Blue Pete
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Not just that
Her friends and family opinions
Her lack of admission of guilt
Her immediate appeal
Her support from many fellow employees
Whether or not this ends up as one of them, there are all kinds of examples of miscarriages of justice being exposed by individual pieces of journalism.
Sky Blue Pete
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Sky Blue Pete
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Senior judges considering whether to allow Lucy Letby appeal | UK news | The Guardian
Ex-nurse has asked appeal court for green light to challenge convictions for murder and attempted murder of babies
Sky Blue Pete
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rob9872
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So HER side basically and a convicted criminal not wanting justice to be served. Who would have thought?
Yeah sure let her out, in fact give her the same job and then you can explain to the next set of parents ...
Of all the coincidences, yet didn't happen to others on shifts when she wasn't around and I think we may have heard if it had it continued to happen since she stopped working there, but sure let's blame the justice system.
Sky Blue Pete
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Nope not blaming the justice system no
But then you’re arguing something that no one is suggesting on here or to be fair in the article
don’t worry the intention of that chart was very successful in showing exactly the link you have concluded irrespective of the two cases referred to in the article
Grendel
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All that applies to Ted Bundy
Sky Blue Pete
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Great
Grendel
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Well you basically are just showing the article is providing a lot of character witnesses as evidence and she said she was innocent.
David O'Day
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Sky Blue Pete
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That’s right
Grendel
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The main factor that contributed to her being found guilty was the matrix that showed she was the only one present at every death and that during her time at the unit deaths has multiplied exponentially
Sky Blue Pete
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Grendel
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She also falsified medical records