I’m not suggesting “Woodwood” and Bernstein need to investigate a conspiracy here, but this case has shone a light on just how restrictive UK law can be on some court proceedings. Think it’s worth exploring if some of those laws may be out of date.
Lucy Letby (2 Viewers)
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Liquid Gold
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Bit of a stretch. I just want as much transparency as possible in our legal system.
There’s an article I shouldn't tell you about – is contempt law in a losing battle with reality? | Archie Bland
The concept behind the Contempt of Court Act is laudable, but in the age of social media it is clear an update is needed, says Archie Bland, editor of the Guardian’s First Edition newsletter
Sky Blue Pete
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shmmeee
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Bit of a stretch. I just want as much transparency as possible in our legal system.
There’s an article I shouldn't tell you about – is contempt law in a losing battle with reality? | Archie Bland
The concept behind the Contempt of Court Act is laudable, but in the age of social media it is clear an update is needed, says Archie Bland, editor of the Guardian’s First Edition newsletterwww.theguardian.com
This is always read media whining that they can’t join in the social media rumour mill and speculation fest TBH.
I don’t buy the idea that the professional press should hold themselves to the same standards as boblotsanumbers on X.
While a case is ongoing I don’t see the public interest in allowing excessive media reporting. Even in 2024 reading something on Facebook and reading it in The Mail are treated differently by the vast majority of people.
Neither do I, but I think there’s a compelling case to be made for bringing a 40-year old law up to date with the internet age.
Sky Blue Pete
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There’s a significant minority who get their news piped to say exactly what the want of their opinions to be sated
clint van damme
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Having listened to the detail I can't for the life of me work out why this needed a retrial.
Nick
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Literally seen stood over the baby after messing with the breathing tube, not doing anything to save it....
clint van damme
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Alarms not working either so assume she'd tampered with them.
Baby died a few days later, though it can't be proven it had anything to do with this.
Horrendous for the parents.
dutchman
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NHS hospital told nurse who tried to support Lucy Letby ‘she shouldn’t give evidence’
Medics say they were advised against getting involved in the case as it could harm their career
www.telegraph.co.uk
An NHS hospital told a nurse who wanted to support Lucy Letby she should not give evidence in her case, it has been claimed.
A nurse who trained with Letby at the Countess of Chester Hospital told The Telegraph that she was asked to be a character witness by the defence but her NHS trust advised her against getting involved.
A second nurse, and a registrar who still work for the hospital, also said they had been instructed by NHS bosses not to talk about the case, despite previously voicing their support for Letby.
The nurse who trained with Letby said she believed she was innocent, and had been made a scapegoat for bad practice on the neonatal ward, which she witnessed first hand.
dutchman
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Hospital where Lucy Letby worked suffered bacteria outbreak ‘lethal’ to babies
Leaked risk report shows Pseudomonas aeruginosa colonised taps in nurseries of neonatal unit
www.telegraph.co.uk
The neonatal unit where Lucy Letby worked suffered an outbreak of bacteria lethal to babies, a leaked risk report shows.
David Livermore, professor of Medical Microbiology, at the University of East Anglia said: “Pseudomonas aeruginosa is an environmental organism that likes moisture.
“It can be lethal in newborns, especially premature ones, who lack a properly developed immune system.
“From mid-2015 to mid-2016 there were around 17 infant deaths at the Countess of Chester unit.
“We are asked to believe that this comprised two superimposed clusters, one of seven murders by Lucy Letby, and one where, to quote the crown prosecution expert, they died for the usual problems why small babies die: haemorrhage, infection, congenital problems.
“It is simpler to believe that we are looking at a single spike of fatal infections in a chaotic unit.”
chiefdave
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There does seem to be a number of journalists looking into this and questioning her guilt. If there is anything to it or not I have no idea. Would be a huge miscarriage of justice if she's taken the fall for failings at the hospital.
rob9872
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I thought other factors convicted her. The diary was argued as a feeling guilty died on her watch kind of admission rather than actually killing them.
Down to interpretation though isn't it, then expert opinion relied on?
Nuskyblue
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There was a similar case in Canada or something. Same sort of thing, a nurse was banged up for a bunch of deaths on her ward, the statistics were the smoking gun which were later proved to be wrong.
MalcSB
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There are quite a number who think it’s a miscarriage of justice. Apparently a lot of hypothesising on the prosecutions part rather than bang to rights evidence.
dutchman
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Neonatal nurses ‘resigning amid Lucy Letby fallout’
Staff fear being accused of harming babies, senior consultants says
www.telegraph.co.uk
Neonatal nurses are resigning from Britain’s baby units because they fear being accused of harming infants like in the case of Lucy Letby, a consultant has claimed in a new Channel 5 documentary.
In the documentary, which looks into concerns with the Letby conviction, Dr Svilena Dimitrova, a consultant neonatologist, warned that NHS problems were “endemic” and nurses were frightened they could be scapegoated for failing wards.
An experienced neonatal nurse, who chose to remain anonymous, told the documentary-makers the Letby conviction had left staff concerned that they may be accused of killing babies.
“It’s made me and others quite worried,” she said. “I think there is a general fear of speaking up.
“The conviction has had a negative effect on our profession, it’s made us more worried about what the parents might think.
“I think it’s alarming how they’ve thrown allegations at Lucy. I realise how easily it could have been one of my colleagues or me. What’s gone on with Lucy is very close to home.”
MalcSB
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Enough doubt to challenge the beyond reasonable doubt criterion for a guilty verdict.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Interesting watch, Not completely convinced me she didn't do it but certainly enough I think to have it looked at.
MalcSB
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The thing is, you may not have been completely convinced that she didn’t do it, but were you convinced, beyond reasonable doubt, that she did.
The major evidence was presented but challenged in the programme. It sounds as if her defence team did not do a brilliant job, although if expert witnesses who have doubts are frightened to appear before the court that is a very sad state of affairs. Albeit not a surprise in the NHS,
Otis
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Said this before. Absolutely no harm in checking to see that they got it right and that new information doesn't change anything.
Grendel
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Who is going to "check" it?
MalcSB
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It has to be an appeal court, but they seem remarkably reluctant to review cases - hence innocent people stay in jail for decades.
Otis
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Sad isn't it.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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She's innocent . That's my take.
Terry_dactyl
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I’ve read a few articles now, and Private Eye has been covering it too.
As has been said already, it seems ‘the beyond reasonable doubt’ verdict is shaky to say the least.
MalcSB
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Most of the recent TV programme was based on what is presented in this article. More and more commentators seem to be casting doubt on the safety of the verdict. I read recently that a review could take 5 years which is incredibly sad if true and if Letby is innocent.
shmmeee
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Neonatal nurses ‘resigning amid Lucy Letby fallout’
Staff fear being accused of harming babies, senior consultants says
Neonatal nurses are resigning from Britain’s baby units because they fear being accused of harming infants like in the case of Lucy Letby, a consultant has claimed in a new Channel 5 documentary.
In the documentary, which looks into concerns with the Letby conviction, Dr Svilena Dimitrova, a consultant neonatologist, warned that NHS problems were “endemic” and nurses were frightened they could be scapegoated for failing wards.
An experienced neonatal nurse, who chose to remain anonymous, told the documentary-makers the Letby conviction had left staff concerned that they may be accused of killing babies.
“It’s made me and others quite worried,” she said. “I think there is a general fear of speaking up.
“The conviction has had a negative effect on our profession, it’s made us more worried about what the parents might think.
“I think it’s alarming how they’ve thrown allegations at Lucy. I realise how easily it could have been one of my colleagues or me. What’s gone on with Lucy is very close to home.”
This is TBF and entire article based around “Sharon from work said…”