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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Not flown for years but never been overly bothered by flying. Slight nervousness on take off and landing but it's also a bit exciting. During the flight I find my back starts to hurt and need to get up and walk up and down for a bit, but rest of the time I'm in my seat with the seatbelt on.
Only had minor turbulence once which was slightly unnerving and if I had a flight with a big problem maybe I'd dislike it more.
My main fear now is after my last flight years ago I didn't put my flight socks on before and as we were coming into land I felt a massive pain in my head that got really bad. At one point I thought my head would explode. If I had to take a flight again I'd probably go to the docs to check it out, just to reassure me as I've got a slight fear I've maybe got a weak blood vessel or something.
Only had minor turbulence once which was slightly unnerving and if I had a flight with a big problem maybe I'd dislike it more.
My main fear now is after my last flight years ago I didn't put my flight socks on before and as we were coming into land I felt a massive pain in my head that got really bad. At one point I thought my head would explode. If I had to take a flight again I'd probably go to the docs to check it out, just to reassure me as I've got a slight fear I've maybe got a weak blood vessel or something.
shmmeee
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I’m pretty chill. Went on a small craft internal flight in the US once where you could see the sky between the cracks and actually enjoyed it. Done a couple of flying lessons as well which was fun. Which is weird because on rollercoasters I’m constantly thinking about mechanical failure.
If think the fact gliders exist helps, even if you lose power you can still safely land the plane. Plus statistically it’s the safest form of transport. Could get me in a motorbike or helicopter though.
If think the fact gliders exist helps, even if you lose power you can still safely land the plane. Plus statistically it’s the safest form of transport. Could get me in a motorbike or helicopter though.
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Was never a fan, work forced me to fly to Scotland for my first flight aged 28, I was wanting to train to London and get the sleeper train to Scotland and then the same back again.
Good now but never like turbulence but enjoy seeing other parts of the world, been hit by lightning on the way to Dublin and that had a lot in tears and also a small plane to Newcastle for work where they take every bag off you and give you a glass of champagne, I knew why when we took off, you feel every movement ion those small ones.
Its not easy to remove the anxiousness, my friend gets some stuff from the doctors which helps, I try to think there's not much I can do but trust the pilots and the tech know what they are doing and like others, have a bit of faith in gliding if all else fails.
Helicopters - never
NY - definitely worth it, did it a few years back and felt like you were in Home Alone at that time of year along with sirens, smoke out of the drains etc
Good now but never like turbulence but enjoy seeing other parts of the world, been hit by lightning on the way to Dublin and that had a lot in tears and also a small plane to Newcastle for work where they take every bag off you and give you a glass of champagne, I knew why when we took off, you feel every movement ion those small ones.
Its not easy to remove the anxiousness, my friend gets some stuff from the doctors which helps, I try to think there's not much I can do but trust the pilots and the tech know what they are doing and like others, have a bit of faith in gliding if all else fails.
Helicopters - never
NY - definitely worth it, did it a few years back and felt like you were in Home Alone at that time of year along with sirens, smoke out of the drains etc
CJ_covblaze
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Flying has never bothered me. Not a fan of airports though. Want to drop my bag off, flash my passport and get on the plane so I can get to where I’m going and my trip or holiday can start.
Saddlebrains
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Passengers on Qatar Airways flight to Dublin hit by extreme turbulence
Twelve people were hurt in the incident, eight of whom were taken to hospital upon landing in Dublin with shocked travellers describing how flight attendants were tossed into the air
2 in one week now
clint van damme
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Passengers on Qatar Airways flight to Dublin hit by extreme turbulence
Twelve people were hurt in the incident, eight of whom were taken to hospital upon landing in Dublin with shocked travellers describing how flight attendants were tossed into the airwww.dailymail.co.uk
2 in one week now
It happens regularly, it's just that it's newsworthy at the moment due to a British man dying.
Sick Boy
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There were also 100,000s of flights that flew without issues.Passengers on Qatar Airways flight to Dublin hit by extreme turbulence
Twelve people were hurt in the incident, eight of whom were taken to hospital upon landing in Dublin with shocked travellers describing how flight attendants were tossed into the air
2 in one week now
nicksar
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I spent the first 20 year's of my working building Aero engines at Rolls Royce...but am terrified of flying as a result of a horrible night flight back from Italy years ago.At a push I will do a 2 hour holiday flight but that's my limit.
Funnily enough my eldest Daughter who lives in Sydney and is with us right now loves flying and takes numerous internal flights in Aus for her job....she pesters me constantly to visit Australia but I've told her I would need to be put under for the duration of the flight !!!.
Funnily enough my eldest Daughter who lives in Sydney and is with us right now loves flying and takes numerous internal flights in Aus for her job....she pesters me constantly to visit Australia but I've told her I would need to be put under for the duration of the flight !!!.
Saddlebrains
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What happened if you dont mind me asking? Feel for you with your daughter being so far away and you having a fear of flying
nicksar
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Really bad thunderstorm and horrendous turbulence, felt that death was imminent
.Luckily we can "face time" regularly these days so it's easy to keep in touch,plus I have another Daughter and Sons locally so not all bad... hadn't seen her in the flesh for five years,not too ashamed to admit I cried when she arrived at our house last week.
Sick Boy
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I’d imagine you could get something off the doctor to help you out. I find the larger planes have much less turbulence and you don’t feel everything as you do on the smaller Ryanair type planes.Really bad thunderstorm and horrendous turbulence, felt that death was imminent
Luckily we can "face time" regularly these days so it's easy to keep in touch,plus I have another Daughter and Sons locally so not all bad... hadn't seen her in the flesh for five years,not too ashamed to admit I cried when she arrived at our house last week.
The first time I flew I was really looking forward to it, grabbed a window seat and then spent much of the flight trying not to have a panic attack. I'm perfectly fine if the plane is close to the ground and I can make things out but as soon as I'm above the clouds, no ta. I spent the entire holiday dreading coming back and 15 years later I can't see myself doing it again.
Saddlebrains
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stay_up_skyblues
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I nearly passed out buying our flights for Florida for the six weeks in august. Haven’t been for 10+ years. Economy class too. Staggering tbh.
Saddlebrains
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Captive audience isnt it. They know that if you want to go on holiday, especially far flung destinations they can charge what they want and people have no choice but to pay it
robbiekeane
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It’s absolutely fucking insane at the moment
A lot of these companies that lost money during the pandemic are now just on a money grab to make up for it
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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At lot of things have doubled. Birmingham to Bangkok via Doha with Qatar Airways is about twice what it was 5 years ago. No exaggeration.
Accommodation is where it's even more noticeable for me though. Western Europe is a bomb. Renting a villa for a week (for example) just doesn't seem worth it at all any more. You can rent a decent pad for a month further afield for the same price as you can a week in the med. As a result we're looking at going on more long haul trips as it's cheaper.
olderskyblue
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I’ve taken many flights, short and long haul, and I’m ok with it apart from the boredom. My wife has a fear of flying, although she has flown many times now. I’ve got her nail imprints on my arm permanently….
convinced her to do the Grand Canyon helicopter experience, and she loved it. although she did tell the pilot to keep his bloody eyes on the “road” when he started looking all round to make sure no other helicopters were nearby. He called her his co-pilot after that
convinced her to do the Grand Canyon helicopter experience, and she loved it. although she did tell the pilot to keep his bloody eyes on the “road” when he started looking all round to make sure no other helicopters were nearby. He called her his co-pilot after that
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I'm sure there'd be the excuse of environmental impact and paying to offset the damage, but it'd be bullshit. It's profiteering for shareholder benefit.
ovduk78
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Has anybody else on here had the pleasure of a microlite flight? I always fancied a tandem flight on a hang glider or paraglider but instead my wife bought me a tandem microlite flight for my 50th birthday. I think I upset the pilot when he was showing me around it when I asked if it was just a hang glider with a Honda Fireblade engine & he sternly told me that it was an aeroplane. Taking off and flying at about 1000ft was ok and I had great views of Muirfield golf course and the coastline. The problem was landing as it entailed pointing the nose at the ground to get to about 500ft and then again to about 100ft and then landing. It is fair to say it scared me shitless and my wife said I was very pale, we were going for lunch afterwards but I had lost my appetite.
The preliminary report into the incident is out: Transport Safety Investigation Bureau Preliminary Investigation Findings of Incident Involving SQ321
Seems the decision to divert the plane wasn’t taken until after the bad turbulence, so I don’t see how the theory of the pilot being to blame holds up. The plane was on autopilot at the time and “likely” flying over some rough weather.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The report doesn't really say anything we don't already know. The key points I was making previously were that one possible option was that the plane may not have routed around bad weather (in many circumstances even flying above it can also be dangerous due to updrafts from cumulonimbus clouds). Given the access to weather charts and the level of technology there is, saying it was 'likely' flying over some rough weather is a massive red flag for me. I would say that almost certainly means it was, and having checked the playback, it was.
Some other key points:
- They disengaged the autopilot to stabilize the aircraft, this probably made things worse
- The seatbelt sign was not on when the plane first hit the turbulence. Given that they were flying over bad weather, that is pilot error not to also switch the seatbelt sign on (not to mention routing round the weather)
- The diversion was instructed 14-17 minutes after the turbulence - (not that it makes any difference on the end result, but that's incredibly slow). Aviate, navigate, communicate is the correct process, but over that time span is a bit questionable.
The second point is key here. If bad weather was not appropriately avoided, the correct protocols were not followed in order to keep the passengers safe (that's seatbelts). They can confuse the media and public pretty easily, but I think the flight crew take some responsibility here.
Think that’s a little harsh re: the seatbelt sign! They switched it on 11 seconds after encountering the first bit of turbulence (which caused a “slight vibration”), and before the main turbulence event. Of course, with the main event happening eight seconds later, it didn’t leave much time at all for people to react! But I don’t know how easily/early the flight deck can predict these things.
Also I’m not sure you’re right on the timing of the diversion - the descent was initiated 17 minutes after the turbulence, not the decision to divert. It’s not clear from this report exactly when the decision to divert was made, but it comes before the pilot’s descent.
Either way, I think these initial findings cast serious doubt on any suspicions you had that it was actually the pilot’s decision to divert the plane rather than the turbulence itself that caused the damage to the cabin, right?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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With respect, you don't know what you are talking about.
The flight deck can and should have spotted the weather, they didn't, or they choose to fly 'through' it and didn't put the seatbelt sign on in advance enough. During this period of the flight, it is pretty quiet, the crew aren't that busy - so it's pretty inexcusable and asks further questions of their attentiveness.
The timing of the diversion was slow, as I said, it probably doesn't make a huge difference to the end result, but given the route to Singapore they were on, they had to make corrections to their course as well as a decent; neither of these things happened until the timings pointed out by both myself, the report, and the FR24 data. Of course, air traffic control could have been napping and slow to react, but that's almost certainly not the case.
I'm not sure what you are on about in point three really, I provided a couple of theories based on the data at the time, and one of them is almost certainly correct at this point regarding the weather and the way they handled it. The theory that an aggressive descent caused it was something that was being said by multiple passengers onboard, who turned out to not know what they were talking about. I pointed this out in my statement and alluded to the vertical speed that was being used in the descent as normal, and made this clear. However, combine the passenger statements alongside the caveat that the ADS-B data may not be 100% accurate, and it was an early credible theory.
I know you are trying very hard for a 'gotcha' moment, but you are coming across as very uneducated in this area.
Saddlebrains
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LastGarrison
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You're definitely getting offered out for a charity boxing match........
Marty
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Don't mind flying at all as long as I can have an aisle seat as I get restless and need to have a walk around. I have fancied having a go at getting my gliders licence, would be cool, and they'd probably give me a typhoon when WW3 kicks off.
Not really arsed about it crashing or owt, probably got 5 minutes to think about your impending doom before you're just a memory to your loved ones.
Not really arsed about it crashing or owt, probably got 5 minutes to think about your impending doom before you're just a memory to your loved ones.
Saddlebrains
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Just dont understand how anyone can say 'you dont know what you're talking about' on aviation unless you're an actual pilot of at least a 737
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Just dont understand how anyone can say 'you dont know what you're talking about' on aviation unless you're an actual pilot of at least a 737
Yes, I am. Not a 737, but I am a qualified private pilot. Commercially rated on instrument too for a few other type aircraft, but it is a long story.
My bad experiences flying were on the flight deck. Can't really go into it as it has hung over me for years and I didn't really want to say anything, but it is really frustrating seeing some SBT experts trying to pull the same shit they usually do on a subject like this though. This isn't the Brexit or sack the manager thread.
No, I'm not going to call you out for a boxing match, but I will frown anyone who peddles shit on here trying to sound clever when everything they write is literal evidence they don't have a clue.
Saddlebrains
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Off the back of the bad experiences does it put you off flying completely now?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Don't think twice now really. I actually met a bloke on a flight a few months ago that was absolutely petrified. He sat down and told me straight away, so I just started talking with him. I asked him exactly the same question as you and he said something like; 'No, never. This world is too beautiful to see and not get out there'. The attitude of that guy was absolutely spot on (even though he was drinking a lot).
If you ever ask yourself the question just get on the plane and you'll never regret doing it. Just book somewhere nice!