Do you want to discuss boring politics? (42 Viewers)

[Grendel]

It’s not the sort of thing that should be government policy. Midwives in my experiences are generally anti cesarian anyway.

Surely they are also discouraged from cerarisn as you need greater resource

 

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[Grendel]

I think it’s a good idea, and I’m not sure it’s any more controversial than capping the voting age at something like 75. At the very least they have a say in the country they have to live their adults lives in.

There are hardly any countries that have 16 year old voting abs most that do are South American banana republics

North Korea has 17 though

None have a cap and I assume that you are then saying Jeremy Corbyn shouldn’t stand as he can’t also vote

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I said that illegal immigration was symbolic more than anything. The focus needs to be on reducing low skill, low wage migration and I don’t understand why people of the left would oppose that.

To change the topic slightly because immigration is not a policy priority for me and never has been and probably never will be.

What are you actually dissatisfied with? When we talk about the state of the country, be it the NHS, education and immigration… it doesn’t seem like you want to change anything. Not in a facetious way, I just want to see things from your POV.

How do we resource social care without low wage immigration? Come on what is the Daily Mail or right wing think tank solution?

You've literally been going in about immigration for pages then say it's not a policy priority for you?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Ha he's such a bellend.

This is probably my favourite Farage TV humiliation.

Absolutely two footed him.

that is incredible how have I never seen this

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Bearing in mind there is a growing school of thought that suggests youth transition to adulthood & maturity is becoming more & more delayed in modern western nations, I'd suggest allowing 16 year olds a vote is foolish.....


EDIT: ...and thats not meant as a dig at the kids......its just the way the modern world/economy/education is shaping them.....

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Bearing in mind there is a growing school of thought that suggests youth transition to adulthood & maturity is becoming more & more delayed in modern western nations, I'd suggest allowing 16 year olds a vote is foolish.....


EDIT: ...and thats not meant as a dig at the kids......it’s just the way the modern world/economy/education is shaping them.....

I think it’s a great thing to lower the voting age
Absolutely no reason not to

 

[Grendel]

I think it’s a great thing to lower the voting age
Absolutely no reason not to

There is no reason for lowering it - which is why hardly any western democracies have

 

[Ian1779]

There are hardly any countries that have 16 year old voting abs most that do are South American banana republics

North Korea has 17 though

None have a cap and I assume that you are then saying Jeremy Corbyn shouldn’t stand as he can’t also vote

That would indeed be true. I don’t think you should have an upper cap FWIW, but it’s not reasonable to suggest that lowering the voting age by 2 years is going to turn us into some kind of rogue state.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There is no reason for lowering it - which is why hardly any western democracies have

We want as a society to have an engaged populace this will support it

Legal Voting Age by Country

In the majority of states, the legal voting age is 18.

www.worldatlas.com

Positive in Scotland

 

[Grendel]

That would indeed be true. I don’t think you should have an upper cap FWIW, but it’s not reasonable to suggest that lowering the voting age by 2 years is going to turn us into some kind of rogue state.

It’s totally out of sync with other countries and if you do why not make it 12 then? There has to be a political motivation - there is - and you are allowing people to make political decisions at an age they can’t even be considered mature enough to drive

 

[Ian1779]

It’s totally out of sync with other countries and if you do why not make it 12 then? There has to be a political motivation - there is - and you are allowing people to make political decisions at an age they can’t even be considered mature enough to drive

I see your point about political motivation, but maybe we should be expecting 16 year olds to be more involved in the world around them, and they have a responsibility to take part in society.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s totally out of sync with other countries and if you do why not make it 12 then? There has to be a political motivation - there is - and you are allowing people to make political decisions at an age they can’t even be considered mature enough to drive

When you have no voice politics don’t include you

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s totally out of sync with other countries and if you do why not make it 12 then? There has to be a political motivation - there is - and you are allowing people to make political decisions at an age they can’t even be considered mature enough to drive

It’s not

 

[shmmeee]

The tax argument is always a little weird. Should the people who are net beneficiaries of the tax system not get a vote either?

It’s 18 cos that’s the age of majority. No need for other arguments. I can’t join the Army at 43, should I lose my vote?

 

[Grendel]

We want as a society to have an engaged populace this will support it

Legal Voting Age by Country

In the majority of states, the legal voting age is 18.

www.worldatlas.com

Positive in Scotland

Scotland returned a corrupt broken regime.

 

[shmmeee]

Also while I agree that Labour want this cos 16/17 year olds are massively pro Labour, so is everyone under 50 firstly and secondly no one is actually forcing the Tories to completely ignore the working age vote and be the Pensioner Party.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It’s totally out of sync with other countries and if you do why not make it 12 then? There has to be a political motivation - there is - and you are allowing people to make political decisions at an age they can’t even be considered mature enough to drive

But mature enough to have a baby. It frankly all needs equalising out, whether that's up to 18 or down to 16.

 

[Grendel]

It’s not

Well yes it is. Like everyone young will be seduced by short term votes - so offer the young free tuition fees and they will say yes please. They have no concerns over interest rates or mortgages - young people can be involved in politics without voting

 

[Grendel]

But mature enough to have a baby. It frankly all needs equalising out, whether that's up to 18 or down to 16.

You can have a baby at 13 but I doubt you’d be mature enough to parent it and you certainly won’t be provided adequate care. That’s a counter argument really

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well yes it is. Like everyone young will be seduced by short term votes - so offer the young free tuition fees and they will say yes please. They have no concerns over interest rates or mortgages - young people can be involved in politics without voting

They’re not though

 

[Grendel]

They’re not though

Probably because they have better things to do. A lot of people aren’t.

 

[shmmeee]

Remove the vote from over 67s. They don’t pay National Insurance, can’t have kids, can’t join the army, and they’re easily swayed by benefit and house price increases and have no stake in the real economy.

This is fun.

 

[Grendel]

Remove the vote from over 67s. They don’t pay National Insurance, can’t have kids, can’t join the army, and they’re easily swayed by benefit and house price increases and have no stake in the real economy.

This is fun.

Yes so by the next elections Starmer can’t vote

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Probably because they have better things to do. A lot of people aren’t.

Sure

 

[shmmeee]

I know people who had a baby at 14/15, it’s not illegal. These kind of arguments always end up in weird places. One age of majority for everything IMO. Increase the driving age and extend school to 18 properly.

 

[wingy]

16 year olds will be able to bring so much experience of life to the process.
If living to to the end of a Parliament should be a factor, why not let 13 year olds vote.

That's like no more like entertaining Mucca tbf!

 

[wingy]

I know people who had a baby at 14/15, it’s not illegal. These kind of arguments always end up in weird places. One age of majority for everything IMO. Increase the driving age and extend school to 18 properly.

It's a load of bollocks really, once they become commodities they get the vote!

 

[wingy]

It’s totally out of sync with other countries and if you do why not make it 12 then? There has to be a political motivation - there is - and you are allowing people to make political decisions at an age they can’t even be considered mature enough to drive

Not in this country no but elsewhere?

 

[shmmeee]

Interesting. And by interesting I mean massively depressing. Imagine what we could have if we didn’t have to spend billions appeasing NIMBYs

 

[wingy]

Interesting. And by interesting I mean massively depressing. Imagine what we could have if we didn’t have to spend billions appeasing NIMBYs

Like I say or should I say let Byng sort it!

 

[wingy]

Like I say or should I say let Byng sort it!

You forget the palm greasing?

Oh sorry for you Shmmeee

 

[wingy]

Interesting. And by interesting I mean massively depressing. Imagine what we could have if we didn’t have to spend billions appeasing NIMBYs

Too much elf and safety enit!!

 

[shmmeee]

Too much elf and safety enit!!

It’s stuff like environmental impact assessments that would take someone decades to read, requiring lines to go in tunnels so rich people in the Home Counties don’t see a train on a field, and endless pointless judicial reviews and other legal challenges. It all needs massive reform.

 

[shmmeee]

Reform learning quickly you can never be anti immigration enough.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Interesting. And by interesting I mean massively depressing. Imagine what we could have if we didn’t have to spend billions appeasing NIMBYs

I haven't checked, (and can't be arsed to) but as its 2018 figures, I'd wager a big chunk of that spend was buying up land for HS2.......