UEFA EURO 2024 (46 Viewers)

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You’re reading this wrong - I’m not overly critical of Southgate. I get why he values defensive solidity above attacking flair. But (and I appreciate I’m being slightly churlish) Man City play with a single pivot and 2 attacking midfielders. We could replicate that setup and have some real fun. Ok it may not be successful and it’d be (rightly) used as a stick to beat Southgate with if we went out earlier than expected, but I’m just really intrigued to see how it’d get on.

Guardiola has a lot more time to drill his players than any international team. His teams have tended to succeed at the highest level too so Guardiola isn’t the manager to follow here - he should’ve won more UCL’s with the teams he’s managed.

Over a 38 game season, no one comes close to Pep but I don’t think he’d do well as an international manager.

 

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[SBAndy]

Guardiola has a lot more time to drill his players than any international team. His teams have tended to succeed at the highest level too so Guardiola isn’t the manager to follow here - he should’ve won more UCL’s with the teams he’s managed.

Over a 38 game season, no one comes close to Pep but I don’t think he’d do well as an international manager.

I know! Just humour my irrationality!!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Netherlands haven't been good for years lol

The Czech team that gets to a quarter final in 2020 is worst than their 2016 when they finished last in their group with 1 point?

Their last quarter final appearance was when they won a group of Greece, Russia and Poland and there was no Round of 16.

 

[Evo1883]

The Czech team that gets to a quarter final in 2020 is worst than their 2016 when they finished last in their group with 1 point?

Their last quarter final appearance was when they won a group of Greece, Russia and Poland and there was no Round of 16.

Czech Republic in 2020 were shit , lost twice to Scotland in 2020 and Wales in 2021 , beat cyprus by a goal ... shite

You're arguing as per usual and have no idea what you're saying

International football tournaments are bigger now and also weaker for it , hence easier games generally than years ago

Keep arguing though that England haven't had the easiest routes in their existence under Southgate

 

[Evo1883]

For reference the mighty Holland of 2020

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I know! Just humour my irrationality!!

I’m pretty excited about our team and think the set up is pretty bang on. Perhaps Bellingham as an 8 might work, but it could limit his ability to operate in the final 3rd.

Czech Republic in 2020 were shit , lost twice to Scotland in 2020 and Wales in 2021 , beat cyprus by a goal ... shite

You're arguing as per usual and have no idea what you're saying

International football tournaments are bigger now and also weaker for it , hence easier games generally than years ago

Keep arguing though that England haven't had the easiest routes in their existence under Southgate

You made a claim that the Czech team was ‘the worst in years’ when it clearly wasn’t, they beat the Netherlands and had their best tournament since Nedved played for them.

The only results that actually matter is when you’re in the tournament. If you qualify for a tournament, who cares?!

We won 10/10 games and the best qualification record for Euro 2016 under Hodgson and when we got there, flopped. All these Nations League and friendlies are irrelevant and it’s clear you out far too much weight on these performances.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m pretty excited about our team and think the set up is pretty bang on. Perhaps Bellingham as an 8 might work, but it could limit his ability to operate in the final 3rd.



You made a claim that the Czech team was ‘the worst in years’ when it clearly wasn’t, they beat the Netherlands and had their best tournament since Nedved played for them.

The only results that actually matter is when you’re in the tournament. If you qualify for a tournament, who cares?!

We won 10/10 games and the best qualification record for Euro 2016 under Hodgson and when we got there, flopped. All these Nations League and friendlies are irrelevant and it’s clear you out far too much weight on these performances.

If you set up so defensively but concede poor goals and allow the opposition to cut through you anyway, what purpose does it serve? Thought the same watching CCFC many times last season.

 

[Evo1883]

I’m pretty excited about our team, having a Cole Palmer or a Saka



You made a claim that the Czech team was ‘the worst in years’ when it clearly wasn’t, they beat the Netherlands and had their best tournament since Nedved played for them.

The only results that actually matter is when you’re in the tournament. If you qualify for a tournament, who cares?!

We won 10/10 games and the best qualification record for Euro 2016 under Hodgson and when we got there, flopped. All these Nations League and friendlies are irrelevant and it’s clear you out far too much weight on these performances.

They had their best tournament because 3 teams went through the fucking group , in the old format they were out in the groups again .
Their group in 2016 was Spain Croatia and Turkey and 2 went through so they went out , they beat Scotland to go through in 2021 then beat a shite Holland 2-1

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

They had their best tournament because 3 teams went through the fucking group , in the old format they were out in the groups again .
Their group in 2016 was Spain Croatia and Turkey and 2 went through so they went out , they beat Scotland to go through in 2021 then beat a shite Holland 2-1

It’s funny that there’s all these asterisks to justify your feelings toward Southgate. Just look at our previous results with the ‘golden generation’. 2010 we can second in the group with USA, Algeria and Slovenia and got battered to Germany.

Tournament football is all about outcomes and 2020 we lost to the better team in the tournament and 2018 our team was shit. Possibly the worst team we brought to a major tournament in my lifetime. 2022, we lost to a good France team because Kane missed a penalty but otherwise, we were just about on top.

You probably have this idea in your head that another manager will just come in and make everything better… Unlikely.

 

[Evo1883]

It’s funny that there’s all these asterisks to justify your feelings toward Southgate. Just look at our previous results with the ‘golden generation’. 2010 we can second in the group with USA, Algeria and Slovenia and got battered to Germany.

Tournament football is all about outcomes and 2020 we lost to the better team in the tournament and 2018 our team was shit. Possibly the worst team we brought to a major tournament in my lifetime. 2022, we lost to a good France team because Kane missed a penalty but otherwise, we were just about on top.

You probably have this idea in your head that another manager will just come in and make everything better… Unlikely.

There's no asterisks, easier groups , weaker teams , weaker tournaments, still failed

Southgate tactically inept

 

[CJ_covblaze]

May pop over to Lux. for a mooch didn't realise how close it was

Have got ticket to a couple of neutral games as well as England's three group games so will slot it in somewhere

What are you doing? I’ve got Italy Albania in Dortmund and Georgia Czechia in Hamburg.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Failed in 2018 , nations league 2019 , 2021 , 2022 and relegated us in the nations league 2022 , will fail miserably in Germany , can't beat good teams and both routes have 3 top 10 opponents to beat to win it

Don't waste your money

That’s the spirit. Failed to get out of the Championship for the last four seasons. Don’t waste your money on next season’s season ticket.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

There's no asterisks, easier groups , weaker teams , weaker tournaments, still failed

Southgate tactically inept

Was the case throughout 1990-2018 too? Overturning failure for so many years isn’t an easy task, evidence by countless leading coaches failing as our national team coach.

 

[Evo1883]

Was the case throughout 1990-2018 too? Overturning failure for so many years isn’t an easy task, evidence by countless leading coaches failing as our national team coach.

You see the quality of top international teams throughout the 90s and 00s ??

 

[Evo1883]

That’s the spirit. Failed to get out of the Championship for the last four seasons. Don’t waste your money on next season’s season ticket.

Always universally more enjoyable than watching the shite served up by England

Remember when we used to take 100,000 to a European tournament ? Not anymore ZzZzzzz

 

[David O'Day]

That’s the spirit. Failed to get out of the Championship for the last four seasons. Don’t waste your money on next season’s season ticket.

Unless you are weird Cov should always mean more than England though

 

[CCFCSteve]

Failed in 2018 , nations league 2019 , 2021 , 2022 and relegated us in the nations league 2022 , will fail miserably in Germany , can't beat good teams and both routes have 3 top 10 opponents to beat to win it

Don't waste your money

Come on evo. ‘Failed’ is a strong word. To get to a World Cup semi and losing a Euro final on pens is hardly failure

Failure is getting knocked out of Euros by Iceland in final 16 in 2016 or not even qualifying in 2008 or finishing bottom in our World Cup Group in 2014 with one point

 

[Evo1883]

Come on evo. ‘Failed’ is a strong word. To get to a World Cup semi and losing a Euro final on pens is hardly failure

Failure is getting knocked out of Euros by Iceland in final 16 in 2016 or not even qualifying in 2008 or finishing bottom in our World Cup Group in 2014 with one point

It's not worth celebrating either , easiest routes ever and tactically bad in every big game

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It's not worth celebrating either , easiest routes ever and tactically bad in every big game

We weren’t tactically bad against France and didn’t lose to Italy, so it’s not as black and white as you make out.

 

[Evo1883]

We weren’t tactically bad against France and didn’t lose to Italy, so it’s not as black and white as you make out.

I'd give you France but Italy, Croatia and Holland in the NL he just didn't know how to get the result

 

[Evo1883]

His record is also shite against top sides

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I'd give you France but Italy, Croatia and Holland in the NL he just didn't know how to get the result

Croatia had a better team than us in 2018, particularly in midfield which is where they won that game. Prime Modric and Rakitic against Lingard, Alli and Hendo…

Nations League, it’s a glorified friendly so I don’t put too much on that. Italy is a 50:50 in my view, they were the in-form team and got a fortunate goal to tie things up. It was a pretty drab game and think it’s easier said than done to ‘go for the kill’. It wasn’t a tactical blunder by any stretch.

Qatar was technically his worst tournament but there was clear and obvious improvement in the side and the way we approach games. There’s been a lot of ‘meh’ performances but that happens when the international calendar is full of fixtures that are forgone conclusions.

I’ll find common ground with you, if we don’t get past the quarter finals, I think Southgate should step down. If we fail to win the group, he best win the tournament!

Separate topic, the international calendar needs reforming. No one wants or needs for games like England v Malta / San Marino or whatever city-state or island has a football team.

His record is also shite against top sides

Beat Italy twice in qualification so there’s signs of improvement there. If we’re being fair.

 

[Evo1883]

Croatia had a better team than us in 2018, particularly in midfield which is where they won that game. Prime Modric and Rakitic against Lingard, Alli and Hendo…

Nations League, it’s a glorified friendly so I don’t put too much on that. Italy is a 50:50 in my view, they were the in-form team and got a fortunate goal to tie things up. It was a pretty drab game and think it’s easier said than done to ‘go for the kill’. It wasn’t a tactical blunder by any stretch.

Qatar was technically his worst tournament but there was clear and obvious improvement in the side and the way we approach games. There’s been a lot of ‘meh’ performances but that happens when the international calendar is full of fixtures that are forgone conclusions.

I’ll find common ground with you, if we don’t get past the quarter finals, I think Southgate should step down. If we fail to win the group, he best win the tournament!

Separate topic, the international calendar needs reforming. No one wants or needs for games like England v Malta / San Marino or whatever city-state or island has a football team.



Beat Italy twice in qualification so there’s signs of improvement there. If we’re being fair.

I just don't think we're going to agree mateb

 

[Alkhen]

Can't moan about our recent runs, I'd say it's at least been interesting watching England in the last 3 tournaments.

For instance there is loads of rose tinted waffle about Italia 90. It was so dull.. we were very boring to watch and had some poor results:

Group-
Eng 1 Ireland 1
Netherlands 0 Eng 0
Eng 1 Egypt 0

Knock outs-
Eng 1 Belgium 0 AET
Cameroon 2 Eng 3 AET
W Germany 1p Eng 1 out on pens

The tournament was great because I was a kid but it was very low scoring and pretty dull in reality.

 

[Tommo1993]

Good old ‘club vs country’ borefest.

How dare people prefer things.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Would people love to go back to Capello or Hodgson or Sven or McLaren or insert any England manager that has failed to get us out of groups instead of Southgate that consistently gets us deep in tournaments?

No, of course not.

Everyone wants an imaginary 3rd choice which involves us walking tournaments even though we've won 1 in our history with a dodgy goal.

Fucking moan moan moan is so boring.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

All those managers would probably have done exactly if not more than Southgate with these players at this time , he's not special and they all have better CVs than Gareth

I can't imagine Gareth doing better with their teams in their eras considering he relegated boro

Astonishing. The Sven team had:

Neville
Campbell
Ferdinand
Terry
Ashley Cole
Beckham
Scholes
Lampard
Gerrard
Owen
Rooney

There’s been other good players in and out the team in those years. There is no excuse for not getting past the quarter final with that cohort of players. That is failure.

2002, we beat Argentina, drew to Sweden and Nigeria to finish 2nd in the group

2004, lost to France in the group and finished 2nd in the group

2006, won an easy group, lost to Portugal on pens - scored 6 goals in total

2008, didn’t qualify

2010 - finished second in a group consisting of; USA, Algeria and Slovenia - the headline after the draw was EASY. Get battered 4-1 by Germany

2012-2016, let’s not even talk about.

That was the golden generation who passed up easy run ins themselves but didn’t capitalise.

Our team is still young and with the exception of Walker, Kane, Shaw and Stones, this team will be together for the next 8-10 years. There’s a lot to be optimistic about.

 

[Liquid Gold]

So 500 Serbs on the hunt for a fight apparently. Overblown or a possibility? Personally I feel they're probably overhyping it but Serbia are a similar lot to the Russians so I'll keep my distance.

I think going to the England fanzine at the racecourse and then into the stadium nice and early should be enough.

I won't teach any of my group the two headed eagle sign either.

 

[Evo1883]

Astonishing. The Sven team had:

Neville
Campbell
Ferdinand
Terry
Ashley Cole
Beckham
Scholes
Lampard
Gerrard
Owen
Rooney

There’s been other good players in and out the team in those years. There is no excuse for not getting past the quarter final with that cohort of players. That is failure.

2002, we beat Argentina, drew to Sweden and Nigeria to finish 2nd in the group

2004, lost to France in the group and finished 2nd in the group

2006, won an easy group, lost to Portugal on pens - scored 6 goals in total

2008, didn’t qualify

2010 - finished second in a group consisting of; USA, Algeria and Slovenia - the headline after the draw was EASY. Get battered 4-1 by Germany

2012-2016, let’s not even talk about.

That was the golden generation who passed up easy run ins themselves but didn’t capitalise.

Our team is still young and with the exception of Walker, Kane, Shaw and Stones, this team will be together for the next 8-10 years. There’s a lot to be optimistic about.

Different eras , with some of the greatest international teams ever , our golden generation were not as good as the best in the world there were many great sides in that period ..hardly astonishing

The thing people like like yourself always fail to mention is just how good teams were back then , alot of international teams were good , including sides like Sweden btw .. international football today is shite and all the greats of the past are also shite

2002 - lost to the last great Brazilian team due to a mistake by seaman

2004 - lost to a fantastic Portugal side that just had one of those days in the final against Greece
Btw this was the French side that day that battered us really


2006 - Portugal again on penalties they finished 4th


2008 - 16 sure were shite , but the England team wasn't exactly great either , players at the end of their career and finished .

2010 , Germany had a great team btw , England really didn't and Southgate would have been battered by them too


Oh and again , Southgate

 

[Otis]

Different eras , with some of the greatest international teams ever , our golden generation were not as good as the best in the world there were many great sides in that period ..hardly astonishing

Also, has to be said, the Gerrard/Lampard combination never, ever really worked. It was just a pairing where it never quite came off and that hurt us.

What frustrates me the most, is that we have so many flair players right now and as soon as they pull on an England shirt, it seems to be stifled.

We HAVE shown what we are capable of on occasion, but for the most part, it's been almost like we are playing with a straitjacket on.

 

[Evo1883]

Also, has to be said, the Gerrard/Lampard combination never, ever really worked. It was just a pairing where it never quite came off and that hurt us.

What frustrates me the most, is that we have so many flair players right now and as soon as they pull on an England shirt, it seems to be stifled.

We HAVE shown what we are capable of on occasion, but for the most part, it's been almost like we are playing with a straitjacket on.

I think to suggest other England managers of the past couldn't do what Southgate has done in a poor international era with so many giant nations either being awful or rebuilding , with easier draws and weaker tournaments is more astonishing than worrying about why England couldn't get one over the greatest Brazilian and French teams of the last 50 years under sven

 

[alexccfc99]

What are you doing? I’ve got Italy Albania in Dortmund and Georgia Czechia in Hamburg.

Romania v Ukraine in Munich on Monday (and a nice night train after the England game Sunday) cause I have never been to the Allianz before and my trip there when we played them in the Nations League the other year fell through at the last minute then Poland v Austria in Berlin a week on Friday

If I can find an FV spare I have earmarked the Georgia v Czech game to go to

 

[alexccfc99]

So 500 Serbs on the hunt for a fight apparently. Overblown or a possibility? Personally I feel they're probably overhyping it but Serbia are a similar lot to the Russians so I'll keep my distance.

I think going to the England fanzine at the racecourse and then into the stadium nice and early should be enough.

I won't teach any of my group the two headed eagle sign either.

Only have to look at which side this country has (at risk of making this a political thread, rightfully) taken in the Balkans in living memory of people older than myself to work out we probably aren't going to be flavor of the month with the Serbians

Then again the media love to whip up a frenzy about anything before a major tournament - I think the German authorities will be on top of anything tbh

 

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[Sky_Blue_Daz]

Scotland to beat Germany