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Sandgroper Skybluel

Sandgroper Skybluel

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
This is another Sheaf myth.

During our onslaught to the playoffs, Sheaf was injured for most of it and didn't play. The majority of the games he was out actually coincided with our good form. This was, as you say, also alongside COH being out of the team and Hamer getting further forward, providing a better level of end product.

In the last two seasons our best form has come around a lot when both of the players I have mentioned have been out of the team.
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He was was brilliant in the away leg against boro, so please don't make out he wasn't a massive part of nearly making it to the Prem. We had some flukey results on the run in, our best team definitely had Sheaf in it that season.
 
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Deity

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Skybluedownunder said:
Robins came out and said that Hamer told Robins on the bus on the way home from Wembley he wanted to leave after they didn’t go up


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I think Robins was frustrated because Vik made it clear he wanted to leave and his position never changed whilst Hamer was less definitive and gave Robins hope he might be persuaded to stay.
 
Senior Vick from Alicante

Senior Vick from Alicante

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CO has taken the gamble of touting himself around rather than the security of a further contract, as a player its his choice to be advised that its the way to go about things. Folk on here need to forget the cult hero status and look at the facts, for the last 6 months he couldnt regularly get in the side, whether that was on form or by design is conjecture. The baffling thing for me is if its not for a better team in a higher league its not for footballing reasons, why they choose to be small fish in a big pond and not play regularly the game they love is stupid. I love the kid but i think hes reached his ceiling as far as development goes due to his style of play. Hope he gets what his agent thinks hes worth but the grass is just a different shade of green on the other side of the fence.
 
ccfc1234

ccfc1234

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Senior Vick from Alicante said:
CO has taken the gamble of touting himself around rather than the security of a further contract, as a player its his choice to be advised that its the way to go about things. Folk on here need to forget the cult hero status and look at the facts, for the last 6 months he couldnt regularly get in the side, whether that was on form or by design is conjecture. The baffling thing for me is if its not for a better team in a higher league its not for footballing reasons, why they choose to be small fish in a big pond and not play regularly the game they love is stupid. I love the kid but i think hes reached his ceiling as far as development goes due to his style of play. Hope he gets what his agent thinks hes worth but the grass is just a different shade of green on the other side of the fence.
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I think his agent might be thinking about the % of the signing on bonus he can get for himself in all of this! COH is loved here and it would be a shame to see him go but if he is more motivated by the extra 10k a week which after tax becomes 5k then perhaps it's best for all parties that he moves on. Still hope he signs our deal though.
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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Senior Vick from Alicante said:
CO has taken the gamble of touting himself around rather than the security of a further contract, as a player its his choice to be advised that its the way to go about things. Folk on here need to forget the cult hero status and look at the facts, for the last 6 months he couldnt regularly get in the side, whether that was on form or by design is conjecture. The baffling thing for me is if its not for a better team in a higher league its not for footballing reasons, why they choose to be small fish in a big pond and not play regularly the game they love is stupid. I love the kid but i think hes reached his ceiling as far as development goes due to his style of play. Hope he gets what his agent thinks hes worth but the grass is just a different shade of green on the other side of the fence.
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It’s pretty much always worth running out your contract if you’re in the last year. You can then negotiate to pocket a load of the money that would have otherwise been spent on a fee. See Mbappe.

Obviously comes with the not insignificant risk of injury but that’s the decision to be made.
 
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skybluericoh

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Came on a free, leave on a free, did god for us while he was here, spells of greatness, spells of ordinary.
good level championship player , would do OK in the prem but would not be setting the world on fire. Deffo help is bank balance though.
I would love him to have signed but understand that to him it is a job and if he can get more elsewhere fair play to the led.
 
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Kingokings204

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Could he still sign? Would take the option of a striker away if so. With imagine this :

COH
EMC
WRIGHT
SAKAMOTO
PALMER
RUDONI
TORP

all interchangeable and attacking.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Skybluedownunder said:
Robins came out and said that Hamer told Robins on the bus on the way home from Wembley he wanted to leave after they didn’t go up
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That's all well and good but when the player doesn't actually sign elsewhere it creates doubt.

Does anyone really think that in the unlikely scenario we get close to the deadline and COH doesn't have any decent offers and came back and said he wanted to sign we'd tell him to fuck off because he said he was leaving?
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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ccfc1234 said:
I think his agent might be thinking about the % of the signing on bonus he can get for himself in all of this! COH is loved here and it would be a shame to see him go but if he is more motivated by the extra 10k a week which after tax becomes 5k then perhaps it's best for all parties that he moves on. Still hope he signs our deal though.
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“Which after tax becomes 5k” let’s not pretend a quarter of a million quid a year is pocket money.
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Senior Vick from Alicante said:
CO has taken the gamble of touting himself around rather than the security of a further contract, as a player its his choice to be advised that its the way to go about things. Folk on here need to forget the cult hero status and look at the facts, for the last 6 months he couldnt regularly get in the side, whether that was on form or by design is conjecture. The baffling thing for me is if its not for a better team in a higher league its not for footballing reasons, why they choose to be small fish in a big pond and not play regularly the game they love is stupid. I love the kid but i think hes reached his ceiling as far as development goes due to his style of play. Hope he gets what his agent thinks hes worth but the grass is just a different shade of green on the other side of the fence.
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Good post. OHare doesn't strike me as being the sharpest tool.in the box by any means. Nice set of teeth though.
 
Mr Panda

Mr Panda

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I like Callum O’Hare and I think what was one of his best assets was his off the ball work (more so pre injury) and the one quality I was worried about replacing.

If these Twitter football scouts are to be believed it looks like we might have replaced that somewhat with Rudoni and that will give the quality we’ve brought in and already have the catalyst to shine
 
Alkhen

Alkhen

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Don't really get any bitter sentiments towards O'Hare.

Came on a free, had some good years and now looks to be leaving on a free. After his loan season him signing was exactly what we needed. Felt like a bit of a boost at the time. He clearly enjoyed his time here. Such a shame he had his injury setbacks, imagine having him off the bench during our playoff campaign rather than Maguire!

I don't buy into him downing tools in the run in last season, I think things just caught up with him as it did with others. 26 is a crucial age in a footballers career, he and his agent will have set out what they want and if we aren't prepared to meet that then we move on. No sour grapes from me.

We'll see soon enough where he ends up, all club's that have been hinted at are big teams with better resources than us so good luck to him.

We have Rudoni who seems a like for like replacement, loads of energy, skill and work rate but lacking a bit in end product. Plus could be that he is much bigger which might help him physically.
 
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ProfessorbyGrace

ProfessorbyGrace

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shmmeee said:
These are the specific four words the psychiatrists report will identify as beginning of my slide into madness.

You. Can’t. Take. A. Team. Statistic. And. Apply. It. To. An. Individual.
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If we can’t rely on statistical data, then what do we utilise to ascertain an individual’s impact on a collective?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, honestly. If we dismiss evidence, then it becomes a battle of opinions.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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ProfessorbyGrace said:
If we can’t rely on statistical data, then what do we utilise to ascertain an individual’s impact on a collective?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, honestly. If we dismiss evidence, then it becomes a battle of opinions.
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Have all the evidence you want but have relevant evidence. A very rough stat like team win percentage isn’t a useful stat to judge a player. We know this because Philosoraptor build an ELO model doing just that and it ended up telling us some random kid was our best player and our best players were crap. There’s too many confounding variables.

That’s why we have stats like passes, tackles, etc because they are actually things a player can impact. You’re essentially blaming Sheaf for how 11 other players do in a non representative sample of games. Makes no sense.
 
Ccfcisparks

Ccfcisparks

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Wow where does he fit into the grand scheme of things now then? Would it be a rotation with Rudoni and punt Palmer, or turn Rudoni into an 8. Very crazy, but happy.
 
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