USSR invades Ukraine. (26 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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How’s that going to save him face? His whole reasoning was to stop the expansion of NATO. Now you think he’s going to willingly accept the expansion of NATO to save face. You also seem to have mistaken him for a reasonable man, someone who can be negotiated with.
No but they should give Ukraine what they need and lift the restrictions on what Ukraine can do with western weapons.
It's been nearly a month now since the last easing of restrictions which one poster in here assured us was a definite red line for Russia and would result in WW3 or tactical nukes or something and yet...nothing.
What's it going to bite with, it's manky old dentures?
What's he done in the last few days then? I'm guessing you're referring to North Korea sending some poor sods to the meat grinder.
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Grendel
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Does that remind you of yourself?
Sick Boy
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Considering he controls the media it could easily be spun into a positive:
- Expansion of Russia territories
- International legislation guaranteeing that Ukraine can never join NATO.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Ukraine needs greater numbers of soldiers which would require the West to join the conflict.
I said a while ago that’s inevitable that the stalemate will end with negotiations and that Ukraine ran the risk of entering them in a worse position that what it was months ago.
The strong likelihood of Trump getting back in and Le Pen’s party winning in France make it even more likely now. Then there’s Meloni who somehow has become key in Europe and who, IMO, has played it pragmatically so far but will eventually show her true colours.
The notion that it’s always been up to Ukraine to decide if and when there should be negotiations has always been questionable at best. It’ll essentially be either you sign this or you’re on your own.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I personally think that Putin is desperate for a deal imminently before Starmer comes to power. Quaking in his boots at being forensically examined.
Oh I do hope so at least with the Tories, let's get to the bottom of this corruption lark!! Follow the state's in every way, while popping off to Italy for lessons!
Brighton Sky Blue
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On a more serious note, we are looking at the following being in charge:
Trump
Starmer
Le Pen
Meloni
Modi
Putin
How did it get to that?
That Yanis fella,the Greek has a theory about modern day feudalism.
I reckon we could do with a vowel or two personally!
fernandopartridge
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Starmer is going to put him on notice
Sick Boy
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It seems as though what I’ve been saying for a while isn’t some kind of pro-Putin extremist view - Negotiated outcome most likely result of Russia-Ukraine war, major poll says
Brighton Sky Blue
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As a past Starmer once said to the last leader of the USSR, ‘Mr Putin, your wall may or may not have failed to comply with planning regulations. Following a 5 year inquiry, you may be forced to remove several bricks up to and including 20% of the overall structure’.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But that doesn't mean it will be effective.
If I thought it would have the desired outcome of course I'd be all for it. But it won't. Putin will just spend a couple of years re-arming then invade again.
Thinking a negotiated deal is the most likely outcome is not pro Putin, nobody has ever said that.
There’s a big difference between thinking a deal is the most likely outcome and thinking a deal is the best outcome.
Sick Boy
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I addressed this last week. It would end up being something he could sell as a victory, which would be territory gained and a guarantee of Ukraine never joining NATO. In reality there would be conditions that another invasion would draw others into a war, something I doubt even he would do.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Fair enough if that's what you think. I don't. I think he'd believe that we wouldn't get involved again. If you're talking about some sort of agreement whereby if he invades again we are duty bound to get involved, isn't that basically NATO? Which he won't accept.
Any agreement that he would find agreeable would just embolden him to try again.
Sick Boy
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Yes it is basically NATO but it’s also something that he can sell at home as a victory; it’s not as though the country has a free press.
skybluetony176
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Beep beep beep. Attention. This dictator is reversing
Despite apparently having always seen Crimea as Russian.
Putin 'prepared to SHARE Crimea with Ukraine in new peace plan'
Vladimir Putin is ready to share sovereignty of Crimea with Ukraine, according to an astonishing 'new peace plan'.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Despite apparently having always seen Crimea as Russian.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
This was an interesting link just below - Ukraine too CORRUPT to join NATO, US says, in major blow to Zelensky
Nobody said there wasn’t corruption just disagreed with the implication it means we should let Ukraine fall.
As I said before it needs to get to the point where Russia is too weak to do it all again in a few years (like you know, has already happened 3 times) so the west will throw money and weapons at the situation until then.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Can you point out where someone has implied that? Personally, I don’t think it should join the EU but haven’t said anything about NATO or it being a reason for it to fall.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Your scenario is unlikely to happen if there’s a change of government in the USA.
It’s been one of Grendels main arguments as justification to why the west shouldn’t help. There’s multiple posts in this thread.
Correct. Another reason to keep Trump out.
fatso
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Mate, whare is the evidence of bombing?
No broken windows, no smoke, no debris no sign of destruction. People on their phones, (so no interruption to signal etc)
Where is the pictures of the alleged bomb damage ???
That headline could just of easily of read "patients take advantage of good weather to get treatment outside in the sunshine"
Now before the usual suspects start ranting and raving, I'm not saying it didn't happen, but what I am saying is you need to look beyond the headlines, and look for the evidence with your own eyes.
It's way too easy to fall for the propaganda that undoubtedly exists from both sides.
I'd expect to see more such shocking headlines as the USA and the UK struggle to keep public opinion in favour of continuing the senseless slaughter.
Fucking hell this might be the worst post in this entire thread and that really takes some doing.