Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (60 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

The biggest questions lie for the security forces, counter terrorism and maybe MI6.
This violent far right movement based around EDL, football gangs and fascist parties has been building for years.
Southport was bound to develop into a serious incident given what had happened with other riots. Instead of being ready to nip it on the bud they left a handful of local coppers to get battered, the thing to simmer and spread on social media.
They now need to quickly convict and jail for years some of the most violent as an example. And go after the ringleaders as a priority.

The movement or people close to it have been in government for the last 5 years at least. I wouldn’t be surprised if the police and spooks have been told to leave them alone. Very fine people and all that.

 

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[shmmeee]

Interesting thread.

Its 100% political and planned related to the election. The response from the organised right tells you everything.

 

[Diogenes]

I hate to say it but once the local communities being persecuted mobilise and give these piss weak chavs a good hiding they will disappear back into their holes for a long time

More violence. What could go wrong.

 

[MalcSB]

The movement or people close to it have been in government for the last 5 years at least. I wouldn’t be surprised if the police and spooks have been told to leave them alone. Very fine people and all that.

The police certainly left the Harehills rioters pretty much alone. That wasn’t a right wing initiated riot.

 

[shmmeee]

The police certainly left the Harehills rioters pretty much alone. That wasn’t a right wing initiated riot.

Nothing to do with the standard police response to riots. It’s about the planned series of riots. You can tell this is about the election and not much else.

 

[MalcSB]

Nothing to do with the standard police response to riots. It’s about the planned series of riots. You can tell this is about the election and not much else.

Oh, I see. I didn’t realise it was OK to riot as long as it wasn’t planned.

 

[shmmeee]

Oh, I see. I didn’t realise it was OK to riot as long as it wasn’t planned.

I didn’t realise I’d said it was OK to riot. You replying to the right post?

 

[Jamesimus]

If you throw Tamworth and Solihull into the Birmingham region, is Coventry now the only big city in the England without any riots?

Let's keep it this way and stop anyone even attempting to organise something.

A few others haven’t.

Sheffield I don’t think there has been (please correct me if wrong!) and Newcastle not as yet - a “protest” planned by the far right this Saturday in the city centre. They will be meeting some pretty stern resistance in large numbers.

 

[torchomatic]

The movement or people close to it have been in government for the last 5 years at least. I wouldn’t be surprised if the police and spooks have been told to leave them alone. Very fine people and all that.

The Tory Government, Sunak with their Stop The Boats rhetoric was always going to rile the neanderthals on the right.

Stoked nicely by Robinson, Farage, Fox et al.

James Cleverly (oh, the irony) was on this morning criticising the Government for their response, scoring a few political points, while at the same time denying the previous Government had any responsibility for what is happening.

 

[shmmeee]

The Tory Government, Sunak with their Stop The Boats rhetoric was always going to rile the neanderthals on the right.

Stoked nicely by Robinson, Farage, Fox et al.

James Cleverly (oh, the irony) was on this morning criticising the Government for their response, scoring a few political points, while at the same time denying the previous Government had any responsibility for what is happening.

The right from Farage to the mental Tories like Braverman and the like are very close with the leaders of these riots. The chattering right like Oakshott are giving it cover, and the respectable right like the rest of the Tories are happy to use it to bash a three week old govt.

It’s very obviously coordinated. And a bunch of working class idiots and kids are going to take the brunt of the response while the rest continue to spout their shit and get paid handsomely for it.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

People also latch onto to George Galloway

He's a twat, but no one takes much notice of him and he is sad and harmless/ineffective. What's your comparison point?

 

[SBAndy]

I hate to say it but once the local communities being persecuted mobilise and give these piss weak chavs a good hiding they will disappear back into their holes for a long time

As much as I’d like to see some of these people get a slap, where does the vigilante-ism end? Far right twats get a beating, go after people the next day tooled up, etc, etc. Needs to be nipped in the bud by law enforcement.

 

[duffer]

We don't need the army, and we don't need people taking the law into their own hands.

The worst thing that could happen now would be mobs of any colour or creed looking to take revenge.

We do need the police to crack on and start arresting people, sharpish. Not just the people who were there, but the people who encouraged them. Seize their phones, most of them are so fucking dumb that they will have self incriminated with videos and chat messages. Get some long sentences on the go, and maybe behaviour will start to change.

I would also hope that we're looking to get an international arrest warrant for Timmy (edit: Tommy!) Robinson. Apparently he's now scared for his own safety, I'd cheerfully offer him one of those nice warm cells for his own protection. Maybe they've kept his old room available.

I'm the meantime, the far right are always banging on about how prison is like a holiday camp - I guess a few of them are about to find out.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

The right from Farage to the mental Tories like Braverman and the like are very close with the leaders of these riots. The chattering right like Oakshott are giving it cover, and the respectable right like the rest of the Tories are happy to use it to bash a three week old govt.

It’s very obviously coordinated. And a bunch of working class idiots and kids are going to take the brunt of the response while the rest continue to spout their shit and get paid handsomely for it.

While i don't entirely subscribe to your theory, there is definitely a post-election vacuum with regard to control of immigration issues. While the new government would inevitably have some wriggle-room or honeymoon period for getting stuff in place, they have already done (or said they will do) quite a lot on other stuff (reforming planning laws, public sector pay, etc) but there is s definite lack of action on immigration, which is not helping to quench the flames of the right.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Far as I’m concerned, having seen some of the bits of footage, the people trying to burn down a hotel with people inside it should be charged with attempted murder/ arson with intent or whatever the right lingo is.

in amongst all the hubris maybe it’s got lost a bit, but this was a deliberate action which, if successful, would have killed several people.

 

[stupot07]

Even Priti Patel understands the difference....



Claims that there is “two-tier policing” in Britain, where right-wing protests are dealt with more harshly than left-wing ones, are “not correct”, Dame Priti Patel has said.

The former home secretary told Times Radio:

There is a clear difference between effectively blocking streets or roads being closed, to burning down libraries, hotels, food banks and attacking places of worships.

What we have seen is thuggery, violence, racism.

She added:

Those kinds of comments are simply not relevant right now. That is not correct, it is not correct.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Even Priti Patel understands the difference....



Claims that there is “two-tier policing” in Britain, where right-wing protests are dealt with more harshly than left-wing ones, are “not correct”, Dame Priti Patel has said.

The former home secretary told Times Radio:

There is a clear difference between effectively blocking streets or roads being closed, to burning down libraries, hotels, food banks and attacking places of worships.

What we have seen is thuggery, violence, racism.

She added:

Those kinds of comments are simply not relevant right now. That is not correct, it is not correct.

Perhaps she could reflect on whether her choice of words & actions is anything to do with what is happening.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

While i don't entirely subscribe to your theory, there is definitely a post-election vacuum with regard to control of immigration issues. While the new government would inevitably have some wriggle-room or honeymoon period for getting stuff in place, they have already done (or said they will do) quite a lot on other stuff (reforming planning laws, public sector pay, etc) but there is s definite lack of action on immigration, which is not helping to quench the flames of the right.

if anyone seriously doubts whether Farage/ Robinson etc aren’t on some level delighted to be seeing what’s going on then I think they’re in cloud cuckoo land.

Farage essentially chose to warn Starmer that more is to come, instead of just coming out and asking for calm.

 

[Grendel]

The Tory Government, Sunak with their Stop The Boats rhetoric was always going to rile the neanderthals on the right.

Stoked nicely by Robinson, Farage, Fox et al.

James Cleverly (oh, the irony) was on this morning criticising the Government for their response, scoring a few political points, while at the same time denying the previous Government had any responsibility for what is happening.

It was predicted in 2016 that uncurbed immigration would result in riots and it’s been proved correct

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Even Priti Patel understands the difference....



Claims that there is “two-tier policing” in Britain, where right-wing protests are dealt with more harshly than left-wing ones, are “not correct”, Dame Priti Patel has said.

The former home secretary told Times Radio:

There is a clear difference between effectively blocking streets or roads being closed, to burning down libraries, hotels, food banks and attacking places of worships.

What we have seen is thuggery, violence, racism.

She added:

Those kinds of comments are simply not relevant right now. That is not correct, it is not correct.

Even Priti Patel as if she isnt one of the main instigators in all this. Shes a disgusting human.

 

[duffer]

Also, I think there needs to be a new offence along the lines of "Bringing tubby, white, bald blokes into disrepute".

Minimum five years for that one. No parole.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It was predicting in 2016 that uncurbed immigration would result in riots and it’s been proved correct

So the conservatives had 8 years to do something then.

 

[Grendel]

So the conservatives had 8 years to do something then.

Who is saying otherwise? Well you probably would have said it’s a racist thing to say.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Anyone else find these buzz words cringe

"Lefty", "Gammon", "Hard Right, "Wokey"

Just cringe

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Who is saying otherwise? Well you probably would have said it’s a racist thing to say.

not at all, just disappointed that some people point blank refuse to condemn without trying to bring politics into it.

edit… clearly in your terminology I’d be termed “left” in terms of immigration even though I’ve never voted in my life. Hugely in fact. But this isn’t about political views, this is about people openly trying to murder others, attack the police, and launch a wave of horrendous violence & terror on the streets. I don’t give a shit where you are on the ‘political spectrum’, that’s something to condemn.

I would have an understanding of why causes like BLM/ Palestine did similar things and yes, I’d have synpathy for those causes- but the minute you start doing stuff like we’ve seen in the last few days then you have to call it what it is & condemn it, no matter what your views are- it’s wrong, very wrong.

What we see here is a reluctance by some to call it out, as opposed to bang on about politics & deflecting away- it’s just my view but that’s ridiculous and shallow, when people are running around destroying things and trying to kill people you have to put your ideologies to one side and call it out, and I wish more would do that.

that’s my point- nothing to do with Tory v Labour or any of that stuff.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Anyone else find these buzz words cringe

"Lefty", "Gammon", "Hard Right, "Wokey"

Just cringe

“patriot”

 

[skybluetony176]

It was predicted in 2016 that uncurbed immigration would result in riots and it’s been proved correct

That depends on your definition of un-curbed. In 2016 we ensured that 2019 happened which ensured that Boris immediately relaxed the standards for immigration, ultimately leading to a peak of 1.2 million immigrants arriving perfectly legally in 2022. So to say it was un-curbed is complete bollocks. The ultimate irony being that the people who championed and voted for this change genuinely thought they’d voted for the exact opposite. Most still do.

 

[Grendel]

That depends on your definition of un-curbed. In 2016 we ensured that 2019 happened which ensured that Boris immediately relaxed the standards for immigration, ultimately leading to a peak of 1.2 million immigrants arriving perfectly legally in 2022. So to say it was un-curbed is complete bollocks. The ultimate irony being that the people who championed and voted for this change genuinely thought they’d voted for the exact opposite. Most still do.

Looking forward to the new season Tonester?

 

[skybluetony176]

“patriot”

Yeah, nothing is more ironic than British people using french words to describe themselves as some sort of Uber nationalist. If you’re going to live here learn to speak English.

 

[David O'Day]

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

It'll be a cold day in hell when i start buying into anything on Times Radio, GB News or Talk TV (especially with that fat racist c**t Mike Graham).
Why *hasn't* anything kicked off since 2016 - there have been plenty of opportunities?

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

It was predicted in 2016 that uncurbed immigration would result in riots and it’s been proved correct

I think you mean 1968

 

[Grendel]

I think you mean 1968

No it’s a quote from 2016 they said unless migration was cut as promised by Brexit there would at some point be rioting on the streets

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

No it’s a quote from 2016 they said unless migration was cut as promised by Brexit there would at some point be rioting on the streets

Yes, with ironic echoes of Enoch Powell.
Who are 'they', by the way? And i don't suppose 'they' defined at what point?

 

[Sick Boy]

No it’s a quote from 2016 they said unless migration was cut as promised by Brexit there would at some point be rioting on the streets

Those in charge have never had any serious intention of cutting migration. It was inevitable that non-EU migration would go up.