Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (24 Viewers)

[Otis]

On the other hand, I'm not sure how many were questioning the validity of videos from the weekend?

The video of the black guy minding his own business and getting punched, nobody was asking if he had said something or trying to discredit the videos. It was shocking. Thuggish behaviour.

Now all of a sudden when the demographic of people causing trouble changes so does the reaction with some people. We start hearing "but" a lot more.

Yeah, but it's since the weekend that they have started to say Russian and Iranian bots are involved. That's been since then

 

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[rob9872]

About 10 times I've read that you all think some innocents could be killed. They already have. Three young innocent girls in Southport.

Everyone seems more intent throwing mud at eachother.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I think the two tier thing is just a deflection.

We have had numerous investigations and reports ever since the Stephen Lawrence case that have found the police to be institutionally racist against ethnic minorities.

 

[shmmeee]

I don’t think we ever learned the lessons from 2011 and how to police this type of disruption.

 

[Otis]

It's real , the car is seen at the end crossing the grass

I said zi didn't deny the footage. It's the words that are accompanying the videos.

All designed to fire people up further.

 

[PVA]

Fucking disgusted by all the cunts that have spent years sowing and spreading this division now pretending to be shocked and outraged by said division. Farage and all his minion bootlickers, this is exactly what they wanted.

 

[chiefdave]

That's because there are literally no police there to steam in.

according to Birmingham Mail the police are there, "The police force in Birmingham was present at the gathering tonight, but were discreetly positioned further back in police vans", so again if you want to question the police tactics then fair enough

people need to stop watching random 60 second clips from social media accounts with an agenda and assume they have all the available information to state things as fact, and that goes equally for all sides

 

[Nick]

Yeah, but it's since the weekend that they have started to say Russian and Iranian bots are involved. That's been since then

So all the videos of white people being racist are real but when it's the other way it's a bot?

I don't get it, both sets of people doing the same thing of attacking cars are racist cunts.

 

[shmmeee]

About 10 times I've read that you all think some innocents could be killed. They already have. Three young innocent girls in Southport.

Everyone seems more intent throwing mud at eachother.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing to separate this violence from that crime TBH. I know that’s the supposed justification, but the two reasons given (it was a Muslim, then that there was an armed Muslim at the vigil) turned out to be bollocks and from the footage there’s little protesting and a lot more looting. In the same way a bunch of kids smashing up Radford shops in 2011 had little to do with Mark Duggan.

 

[rob9872]

I don’t think we ever learned the lessons from 2011 and how to police this type of disruption.

It's like football. They don't have the resource. They film, they get you after. As long as the response is proportional on all sides and cunts are locked up nobody can complain. The rest on here is just conjecture and petty without basis or fact.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Tbf to you Nick you did condone it all. If it helps I condone any Muslim agitators and hope they are caught too.

Condemn man, condemn!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pretty simple, Police should be involved now in Boardsley Green, look at the below video

I’d be driving through them as well

 

[Nick]

according to Birmingham Mail the police are there, "The police force in Birmingham was present at the gathering tonight, but were discreetly positioned further back in police vans", so again if you want to question the police tactics then fair enough

people need to stop watching random 60 second clips from social media accounts with an agenda and assume they have all the available information to state things as fact, and that goes equally for all sides

Yeah like I said, hidden away in the hospital car park.

Its a completely different tactic to the ones we have seen over the weekend.

 

[David O'Day]

another strange strange strange comment

it’s been on the news for 5 hours! the whole country have seen the videos. why haven’t the police intervened?

wonder why

after your posting about how it was a muslim in Southport you'd be best sitting this one out.

 

[Evo1883]

Fucking disgusted by all the cunts that have spent years sowing and spreading this division now pretending to be shocked and outraged by said division. Farage and all his minion bootlickers, this is exactly what they wanted.

However many people were on the streets , there are 10000x more that think the same that weren't on the streets , trust me .
Most People care too much about their jobs and their houses to go and smash up a shop or set fire to a hotel

 

[Otis]

Its real as far as I can see?

The footage is seemingly real. Said that three times now

I am talking about the headlines and the wording.

 

[djr8369]

Condemn man, condemn!

Oh shit

 

[shmmeee]

It's like football. They don't have the resource. They film, they get you after. As long as the response is proportional on all sides and cunts are locked up nobody can complain. The rest on here is just conjecture and petty without basis or fact.

Yeah I expect anyone from any side who they have evidence and can find will get done, I have no doubt about that. Say what you like about the justice system but it’s one of the fairest on the planet IMO.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

About 10 times I've read that you all think some innocents could be killed. They already have. Three young innocent girls in Southport.

Everyone seems more intent throwing mud at eachother.

If only it was just mud people were throwing!

 

[chiefdave]

Same tactics tonight in Plymouth. An officer in charge told Sky they are under resourced. A standoff between right wingers and anti fascists. Luckily separated by a fence.

must have seen how successfully a fence stops trouble at the CBS

 

[GIMOC]

according to Birmingham Mail the police are there, "The police force in Birmingham was present at the gathering tonight, but were discreetly positioned further back in police vans", so again if you want to question the police tactics then fair enough

people need to stop watching random 60 second clips from social media accounts with an agenda and assume they have all the available information to state things as fact, and that goes equally for all sides

police are doing a good job

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Hopefully there is a proper inquiry into this including social media agitators and bots etc.

Would think they'll have GCHQ all over this (or at least I hope so)

 

[GIMOC]

after your posting about how it was a muslim in Southport you'd be best sitting this one out.

really

Muslim friends are all friendly ain’t they

 

[rob9872]

I don’t think it’s a bad thing to separate this violence from that crime TBH. I know that’s the supposed justification, but the two reasons given (it was a Muslim, then that there was an armed Muslim at the vigil) turned out to be bollocks and from the footage there’s little protesting and a lot more looting. In the same way a bunch of kids smashing up Radford shops in 2011 had little to do with Mark Duggan.

Disagree. We need to look at the timelines. The Leeds Roma incident. The Manchester airport. The girls in Southport. To separate them from what's happening would be wrong. The response to them should have been protests not riots.

 

[wingy]

Yeah, this exactly.

I am not buying this two-tier system. I think it's a falsehood.

There has clearly been footage of rioters smashing stuff up and the police standing back. There was also that racist attack, when a bloke clearly punches an innocent black guy in the face and the police are there in the background and do nothing.

I am sure there will be loads of footage from both sides that could be used to prove a point.

There is a clear difference though between people standing with machetes and knives and people actually charging at a building with intent to burn down and enter the building, or set it on fire

No one is saying standing around with knives is okay. It's clearly not.

It's just two different circumstances.

The pub attack, I don't know where the police are there. Maybe attending another incident, or on their way. Point is, we don't know

I don't think there is two tier policing.

Makes zero sense to side with Muslims and antagonise white British folk. That's just stupid.

Bottom line is, anyone smashing stuff, burning stuff, looting, attacking anyone, or carrying a weapon, should be arrested.

It was a ceremonial sword from what I could yell,it may have been to symbolise the message don't come here!EDL type
Let themselves down now though attacking car's and the pub?
Remember the parking over there when the car's got stripped.
Policing the aftermath is pointless,get locked up and get on with it , get the troops in and get martial law in,curfew after 8 as I was nicknamed at work in my twenties for being late!!

 

[Otis]

according to Birmingham Mail the police are there, "The police force in Birmingham was present at the gathering tonight, but were discreetly positioned further back in police vans", so again if you want to question the police tactics then fair enough

people need to stop watching random 60 second clips from social media accounts with an agenda and assume they have all the available information to state things as fact, and that goes equally for all sides

Yeah, it's a fair point. We are seeing tiny clips. Doesn't give the full picture. We should have learnt that from the airport incident.

Didn't see what happened before the stamping at first did we. Had to wait until all the footage was put together

 

[David O'Day]

The 2 tier policing thing is bollocks, if you watch the videos from Rotherham yesterday the police also do fuck all even after they tried to burn the building down.

 

[shmmeee]

Disagree. We need to look at the timelines. The Leeds Roma incident. The Manchester airport. The girls in Southport. To separate them from what's happening would be wrong. The response to them should have been protests not riots.

For the initial Southport riot, yes. The rest seem to mostly be kid and social media driven and easily dissuaded bar a few pockets. I think it’s an entirely different phenomenon driven by social media and school holidays as much as anything and will fizzle out like the 2011 ones did once people start getting locked up.

 

[rob9872]

It was a ceremonial sword from what I could yell,it may have been to symbolise the message don't come here!EDL type
Let themselves down now though attacking car's and the pub?

Mobbed up pent up aggression warm night it's inevitable. I imagine similar to a lot of the other rioters. I doubt they were intent on causing trouble and got carried away. The best away to avoid being involved is stay home. Once again the best defence we have is rain. Until that cones, this will continue and possibly escalate.

 

[Otis]

police are doing a good job

That's awful. I hope they nab the lot of them. Again, cowards until the man is on the floor. Then they become brave.

 

[ccfcno9]

Fucking disgusted by all the cunts that have spent years sowing and spreading this division now pretending to be shocked and outraged by said division. Farage and all his minion bootlickers, this is exactly what they wanted.

Well that's an ironic one sided post regards division

 

[Otis]

really

Muslim friends are all friendly ain’t they

No-one has ever, ever said that and you know it. So why state it?

No-one has ever said all Muslims are friendly.

 

[djr8369]

really

Muslim friends are all friendly ain’t they

Horrific.

 

[Nick]

In Plymouth there's about 5 riot police arresting a kid who looks about 12.

Not saying he didn't deserve it. Just pointing out the difference in approach.

Compare things

 

[djr8369]

In Plymouth there's about 5 riot police arresting a kid who looks about 12.

Not saying he didn't deserve it. Just pointing out the difference in approach.

It’s a planned protest and counter protest talked about all day and was planned for. The kid has probably been caught in the open after attacker the police or something.