Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (40 Viewers)

[Nick]

Anything video, photo on social media needs verifying.
To cross post anything from some of these lunatic and bot accounts as fact is madness.
Especially now.

I get that, I'm just saying that why is it only now and not in the last few days when hundreds of tweets are being shared?

 

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[GIMOC]

Obviously many clips will be 100% legit.

But that showed yesterday what they are capable of

All looked very real.

People are streaming it live on YouTube. You can’t fake a live stream

 

[Nick]

No, sure some of it is true. But some of the accounts shared are clearly bots/propaganda accounts.

Videos over the weekend were from multiple sources, on BBC etc. it’s fair to judge things differently.

I’m sure there are some Muslim groups going around too.

So the bots only post stuff when it's about Muslims?

Some of the stuff mentioned is live streams.

Again. What would have happened if there was this much push back about some of the videos at the weekend?

What if that video of a c**t being racist to cars was posted by Sharon64875? Should we just ignore it? To me that was a bloke being racist to cars, regardless of the user name posting it.

Let's not pretend I'm thick. Its literally part of my job to look for bot activity.

 

[djr8369]

they definitely aren't coming in and taking over the situation if they do get involved. it will simply be manpower, although the increased manpower could lead to a change in tactics.

on a practical level do we have enough riot gear to kit out the armed forces?

I guarantee we don’t. There will be some reserves somewhere I’m sure but as someone said only really been done in NI.

 

[Boicey]

People are streaming it live on YouTube. You can’t fake a live stream

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I’m not sure the army are set up for this and if they were brought in would only be backup for the police and follow same tactics.

Agreed. Personally I think what will stop these riots is a couple of days of heavy rain and the rioters getting bored.
It won't be the police. Those that are organising them are inept.

 

[GIMOC]

its very strange to me that we live in a world with multiple rolling news channels covering events like this live but there's a significant number of people who insist those channels are lying to us and the likes of patriot475737 on twitter are the reliable news source.

again it’s live on YouTube. People there filming it. doesn’t need to be a reliable source. the media were hounded out of brum tonight

sky news and lbc feared for their safety and fled the scene

 

[GIMOC]

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that’s terrible. your point?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

It’s just going to be constant back and forth.

one night be the British patriots rioting and protesting based on the Muslim riots the night before.

the next night the Muslims will riot in response.

with both sides pointing fingers and turning a blind eye when appropriate.

it’s going to be a sad rest of the year.

 

[MalcSB]

Sorry , but I am not sure on that video.

Not debating the footage, but the dialogue is coming across like a bot to me there

I think so much is created by bots.

That's not saying the video is fake at all. Wish to make that clear

A lot of bot like behaviour

A bot? Really?

The video doesn’t match your desired narrative so you questions its validity, despite the incident being filmed from tow angles by different people

 

[Ccfcisparks]

that’s terrible. your point?

Why didn’t you come on here and comment about what was going on last night

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Agreed. Personally I think what will stop these riots is a couple of days of heavy rain and the rioters getting bored.
It won't be the police. Those that are organising them are inept.

I am not sure about that last sentence but I hope you are right.

 

[djr8369]

So the bots only post stuff when it's about Muslims?

No they generally play both sides and try and rile things up it in this case some of the videos are from suspect accounts. It’s fair to question that.

Im sure some of the videos are genuine but in these situations it often turns out some are old videos from different events.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Apart from Northern Ireland I can't recall when we've needed them . I also can't recall such dreadful police tactics. Are you suggesting we can't use them because we haven't before in modern times ?
So you can answer my question now.

I’m suggesting that sending the army in then made things much, much worse. I support getting the police to use stronger tactics than they have up to now, yes.

But calling in the army was a disaster before and deciding to do so now is not trivial.

 

[Nick]

It’s just going to be constant back and forth.

one night be the British patriots rioting and protesting based on the Muslim riots the night before.

the next night the Muslims will riot in response.

with both sides pointing fingers and turning a blind eye when appropriate.

it’s going to be a sad rest of the year.

Nope. No blind eye here.

Plenty of blind eyes tonight though, weirdly.

 

[djr8369]

I’m suggesting that sending the army in then made things much, much worse. I support getting the police to use stronger tactics than they have up to now, yes.

But calling in the army was a disaster before and deciding to do so now is not trivial.

The army mainly kids with no riot training.

 

[Boicey]

that’s terrible. your point?

You went to that sick account.
You reposted that sick accounts material on here.
You trust what that sick account posts without question.

 

[Nick]

No they generally play both sides and try and rile things up it in this case some of the videos are from suspect accounts. It’s fair to question that.

Im sure some of the videos are genuine but in these situations it often turns out some are old videos from different events.

No, what you are trying to do is discredit the content of the video because of the poster.

Again. What would the reaction be if somebody started that on some of the shocking videos from the weekend? Why is it only now?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I’m suggesting that sending the army in then made things much, much worse. I support getting the police to use stronger tactics than they have up to now, yes.

But calling in the army was a disaster before and deciding to do so now is not trivial.

The situation in northern Ireland was completely different.
What do you suggest if , a week from now, the situation on the streets has not changed at all?
Shall we hope for lots of rain ?

 

[GIMOC]

You went to that sick account.
You reposted that sick accounts material on here.
You trust what that sick account posts without question.

sick account for showing a video that goes against your narrative.

fascism of the highest order

only share or post stuff you agree with. get it

 

[Boicey]

No, what you are trying to do is discredit the content of the video because of the poster.

Again. What would the reaction be if somebody started that on some of the shocking videos from the weekend? Why is it only now?

More whatabout diversion nonsense. Dozens of them tonight from you.
You are a truly strange guy.

 

[Otis]

I know and I get that. Its just weird how it's only time to take a breath and question when it's videos of Muslim men carrying out attacks.

I don't just believe stuff either way round, I saw that evo posted videos of the same incident from different angles and different people filming.

Its weird.

Not weird at all.

I am now questioning all footage

But just look at it logically.

The problem, as perceived by many, is immigration. Massive issue, right

What would foreign agents wish to do in this circumstance. Fuel that further.

The problem isn't that migrants have a problem with us, it's seemingly us having a problem.with migrants. So if you want to deploy a load of bots, the obvious thing to do is to fire up the right wing and anyone who thinks the borders should close and stop the boats etc.

Stir that up. Fuel the enough is enough. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was bots that started all the "he was a Muslim. Came over on a boat last year" etc. for the Southport attack

It's clear now that, that footage yesterday was fake. That was Muslims supposedly attacking white, British with machetes.

Why would that be fake? Fake that, because that fires people up further and stokes everything up.

So, it makes sense that bots will try and show as much footage as possible of blacks attacking whites.

That prolongs the riots. Spread she rioting, fuels the hate.

There probably is fake on the other side too, but if you wanted to get the Brits almost at civil.war, this is the way to do it. Focus on an issue that is huge to many people and those who already have a distrust of Islam.

That's my take anyway.

All makes sense to me

 

[Nick]

More whatabout diversion nonsense. Dozens of them tonight from you.
You are a truly strange guy.

What am I diverting, exactly?

 

[Boicey]

sick account for showing a video that goes against your narrative.

fascism of the highest order

only share or post stuff you agree with. get it

The problem is you apparently didn't notice or care that that is a fascist account.
The rest just shows your crazed ignorance.

 

[djr8369]

No, what you are trying to do is discredit the content of the video because of the poster.

Again. What would the reaction be if somebody started that on some of the shocking videos from the weekend? Why is it only now?

The situation at the weekend was verified by multiple news sources and the police. I know you think you’re being consistent but it’s apples and oranges.

Again, I’m sure most of the videos are real and there are Muslim gangs about but when they’re mainly coming from weird accounts people are going to wait for more info.

 

[Nick]

Not weird at all.

I am now questioning all footage

But just look at it logically.

The problem, as perceived by many, is immigration. Massive issue, right

What would foreign agents wish to do in this circumstance. Fuel that further.

The problem isn't that migrants have a problem with us, it's seemingly us having a problem.with migrants. So if you want to deploy a load of bots, the obvious thing to do is to fire up the right wing and anyone who thinks the borders should close and stop the boats etc.

Stir that up. Fuel the enough is enough. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was bots that started all the "he was a Muslim. Came over on a boat last year" etc. for the Southport attack

It's clear now that, that footage yesterday was fake. That was Muslims supposedly attacking shite, British with machetes.

Why would that be fake? Fake that, because that fires people up further and stokes everything up.

So, it makes sense that bots will try and show as much footage as possible of blacks attacking whites.

That prolongs the riots. Spread she rioting, fuels the hate.

There probably is fake on the other side too, but if you wanted to get the Brits almost at civil.war, this is the way to do it. Focus on an issue that is huge to many people and those who already have a distrust of Islam.

That's my take anyway.

All makes sense to me

I'm not saying there isn't fake stuff. There is.

Its just weird how it's seemingly the go to all of a sudden.

 

[Otis]

A bot? Really?

The video doesn’t match your desired narrative so you questions its validity, despite the incident being filmed from tow angles by different people

I clearly said I don't deny the footage.

Its the wording.

Said that now until I am blue in the face.

The taglines and headlines. To fire and rile people up further.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Not weird at all.

I am now questioning all footage

But just look at it logically.

The problem, as perceived by many, is immigration. Massive issue, right

What would foreign agents wish to do in this circumstance. Fuel that further.

The problem isn't that migrants have a problem with us, it's seemingly us having a problem.with migrants. So if you want to deploy a load of bots, the obvious thing to do is to fire up the right wing and anyone who thinks the borders should close and stop the boats etc.

Stir that up. Fuel the enough is enough. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was bots that started all the "he was a Muslim. Came over on a boat last year" etc. for the Southport attack

It's clear now that, that footage yesterday was fake. That was Muslims supposedly attacking shite, British with machetes.

Why would that be fake? Fake that, because that fires people up further and stokes everything up.

So, it makes sense that bots will try and show as much footage as possible of blacks attacking whites.

That prolongs the riots. Spread she rioting, fuels the hate.

There probably is fake on the other side too, but if you wanted to get the Brits almost at civil.war, this is the way to do it. Focus on an issue that is huge to many people and those who already have a distrust of Islam.

That's my take anyway.

All makes sense to me

Absolutely!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The situation in northern Ireland is completely different.
What do you suggest if , a week from now, the situation on the streets has not changed at all?
Shall we hope for lots of rain ?

In NI it began very similarly to how it’s beginning here, and the justifications for the violence were equally similar.

The army being called in was a mistake because it wasn’t seen as a neutral arbiter and because the soldiers were trained for warzones instead of civilian riots. Which led more often than not to the state killing its own citizens.

You can’t look at the one time in recent history we used the army in this way and completely dismiss it. If a soldier shoots dead someone from either side it will get much worse.

 

[GIMOC]

The situation at the weekend was verified by multiple news sources and the police. I know you think you’re being consistent but it’s apples and oranges.

Again, I’m sure most of the videos are real and there are Muslim gangs about but when they’re mainly coming from weird accounts people are going to wait for more info.

how naive are you

lbc reporter



Sky news chased out



Or this fake too?

 

[djr8369]

The situation in northern Ireland was completely different.
What do you suggest if , a week from now, the situation on the streets has not changed at all?
Shall we hope for lots of rain ?

Was it that different fundamentally?

They were just discussing this on Sky and said if it keeps going through the week the army might be a serious consideration.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Wow , can we not just agree that it is wrong whichever side you wish to blame ?
Please some of you just stop , the point scoring is just as divisive as what is being played out across the country .

Stop this world , I want to get off

 

[duffer]

I’m not sure the army are set up for this and if they were brought in would only be backup for the police and follow same tactics.

The army are not trained to deal with this kind of shit. They're trained to shoot to kill, call in artillery, drive tanks, march in tight formation, etc. etc.. They've got no powers of arrest, beyond those that you and I have.

The country isn't in flames, it's grim, but it's not that grim. Adding high powered rifles and nervous squaddies into the mix would not end well.

 

[djr8369]

how naive are you

lbc reporter



Sky news chased out



Or this fake too?

No these are clearly genuine and from trusted sources. It’s the ones from dodgy accounts people are questioning.

 

[Nick]

The situation at the weekend was verified by multiple news sources and the police. I know you think you’re being consistent but it’s apples and oranges.

Again, I’m sure most of the videos are real and there are Muslim gangs about but when they’re mainly coming from weird accounts people are going to wait for more info.

Were they all from news sources, then?

It was literally sky news posting that they were chased out and posted footage.

Its pretty obvious really.

White man punches black man walking up the road - disgusting racist attack

Muslim men attack cars with white people, Muslim men stamp on somebody's head and call them a white c**t, Muslim men storm a pub and stamp on somebody - it's being posted by bots, it's not official media outlets, wait and see.

Not sure what is so scary about saying they are both disgusting, race attacks.