Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (25 Viewers)

[Nick]

Just had a quick look.

The video posted about the c**t stopping cars to see if people were black was posted by somebody with the old #freepalestine and their views on what a woman is.

Wish I had looked now to see that the poster has a clear agenda so it wasn't real.



Like I said, what would the reaction be if somebody started questioning the twitter poster when they had seen a video containing disgusting, racist behaviour?

 

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[Nick]

Although, if this isn't Rooney it's somebody very much like him!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I can’t believe people who have a brain are genuinely suggesting that the police are letting Muslim groups get away with stuff and arresting people who disagree with the government

Just madness
Follow through the

So why is it a resource issue in Birmingham or Leeds but completely different approaches at other times?

you tell me
Follow it through

 

[rob9872]

Although, if this isn't Rooney it's somebody very much like him!

The new Gazza, just needs some Skol and a fishing rod

 

[Nick]

I can’t believe people who have a brain are genuinely suggesting that the police are letting Muslim groups get away with stuff and arresting people who disagree with the government

Just madness
Follow through the

you tell me
Follow it through

I pointed out the clear and obvious differences in policing.

There's a video of a copper saying that there's no need to do anything because the people who would have caused the trouble would now be gone and nobody is causing any problems.

Coppers words while laughing

"The scuffle probably looked like something it wasn't"
"Like a normal Saturday night"

Then people wonder why they say some people are treated differently.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I pointed out the clear and obvious differences in policing.

There's a video of a copper saying that there's no need to do anything because the people who would have caused the trouble would now be gone and nobody is causing any problems.

Coppers words

"The scuffle probably looked like something it wasn't"

Then people wonder why they say some people are treated differently.

Follow it through

Or are you actually saying the government has told the police forces up and down the country to ignore Muslim criminal activity and come down tough on white criminal activity

Is that likely?

 

[Nick]

Follow it through

Or are you actually saying the government has told the police forces up and down the country to ignore Muslim criminal activity and come down tough on white criminal activity

Is that likely?

Follow it through?

Have a look at the difference in police activity.

Christ even some posters on here are trying to write it off as bullshit.



Again. I'm posting the video for the content of it. The guy filming is a wet wipe but the copper seems to be a bit deluded.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Follow it through?

Have a look at the difference in police activity.

Christ even some posters on here are trying to write it off as bullshit.



Again. I'm posting the video for the content of it. The guy filming is a wet wipe but the copper seems to be a bit deluded.

I’m not doubting that there are different responses at all!!!!!!!!!!
I’m asking you to tell us why and what is more likely given the institutional racism found in our criminal justice system at pretty much every level?

 

[Nick]

I’m not doubting that there are different responses at all!!!!!!!!!!
I’m asking you to tell us why and what is more likely given the institutional racism found in our criminal justice system at pretty much every level?

So you can see there are different responses?

You tell me, you are saying theres no issue. There's a video of a copper playing it down as a normal Saturday night.

 

[rob9872]

I don't believe it's a directive for the police. I simply think they're scared to come down hard and be accused of racism by selective footage. They need 100% to be right, but the different approach where if they get it wrong on the far right protesters would be labelled heavy handed rather than racist. Not so much two tier as two narratives that would be reached differently. Again I'm not suggesting it's fair or right to handle it differently, but after recent events and knowing the damage it could cause by getting it wrong, I kind of understand it.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So you can see there are different responses?

You tell me, you are saying theres no issue. There's a video of a copper playing it down as a normal Saturday night.

I’m not saying there’s no issue I’m saying what is the issue?

 

[Nick]

Maybe they prefer easier targets?



(Bloke is clearly a pissed up dickhead by the way)

 

[Nick]

I’m not saying there’s no issue I’m saying what is the issue?

The issue is that there's clearly a difference in policing when it's a different demographic.

Exactly the same in Leeds with them running away.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The Met themselves agreed they’re institutionally racist and they clearly won’t be the only force, so I don’t see how any difference in approach is anything apart from tactical combined with being unable to handle it. Whatever the thinking is I don’t know and everyone will have their opinion on whether it’s right or wrong, but you can hardly say that an organisation riddled with racism- in their own words- has now done an about face and have decided to get warm and cuddly with Muslims and show favouritism to them while knocking out white people.

 

[Nick]

The Met themselves agreed they’re institutionally racist and they clearly won’t be the only force, so I don’t see how any difference in approach is anything apart from tactical combined with being unable to handle it. Whatever the thinking is I don’t know, but you can hardly say that an organisation riddled with racism- in their own words- has now done an about face and have decided to get warm and cuddly with Muslims and show favouritism to them while knocking out white people.

It must be the same as how people are saying it's just bots when videos of other attacks are posted.

Let's face it, the bloke stood there with a sword because he knew he could.

I'm saying there's an obvious difference in the approaches, I don't believe that police suddenly become more under staffed whenever certain people kick off.

There's another video of a group telling the police to go. They don't need them and they will sort it themselves, they went into details about the violence. (Not Birmingham)

Like I said, maybe it's just easier for them to let it go. Less hassle.

 

[Otis]

Follow it through?

Have a look at the difference in police activity.

Christ even some posters on here are trying to write it off as bullshit.



Again. I'm posting the video for the content of it. The guy filming is a wet wipe but the copper seems to be a bit deluded.

That's a bit vague isn't it. Not the best evidence, Nick.

Does that citizen journalist (is there such a thing) at any point mention there has been any violence there? He doesn't.

He just says a large group are there. When the copper says none of the people there are causing any problems, the bloke doesn't challenge him on that.

Again, look at the wording. The wording doesn't match the footage.

If the bloke had said there was violence and challenged the police why they weren't doing their job, then fine. But I can't see anywhere in that video where the bloke says that, that group caused the issues in the wording.

He doesn't.

Look at the wording above. Gangs of Muslim men attacking cars and pubs, news and a lone white man.

There is no suggestion that, that group carries out any of the above. And weren't they all separate incidents?

Are they trying to link all those incidents and say it was just one group carrying out all of the above?

The wording just doesn't match what plays out in the video

The bloke obviously has concerns, but at no point does he say the Muslim group did anything at all

The police says there has been a scuffle and that those people are no longer there.

The bloke just says there is still a large presence

Nothing matches.

 

[Nick]

That's a bit vague isn't it. Not the best evidence, Nick.

Does that citizen journalist (is there such a thing) at any point mention there has been any violence there? He doesn't.

He just says a large group are there. When the copper says none of the people there are causing any problems, the bloke doesn't challenge him on that.

Again, look at the wording. The wording doesn't match the footage.

If the bloke had said there was violence and challenged the police why they weren't doing their job, then fine. But I can't see anywhere in that video where the bloke says that, that group caused the issues in the wording.

He doesn't.

Look at the wording above. Gangs of Muslim men attacking cars and pubs, news and a lone white man.

There is no suggestion that, that group carries out any of the above. And weren't they all separate incidents?

Are they trying to link all those incidents and say it was just one group carrying out all of the above?

The wording just doesn't match what plays out in the video

The bloke obviously has concerns, but at no point does he say the Muslim group did anything at all

The police says there has been a scuffle and that those people are no longer there.

The bloke just says there is still a large presence

Nothing matches.

A gang of Muslim men did attack a car and a pub though? I'm not sure how you can question it?

Maybe it was far right people dressed up doing it. I'm guessing that way you would accept it.

Its fine, people are obviously shit scared to accept that a Muslim gang could be racist cunts like the white gang of racists are.

All of a sudden people are poirot to try and play it down.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The issue is that there's clearly a difference in policing when it's a different demographic.

Exactly the same in Leeds with them running away.

Tell me why
Give me a reason that isn’t police letting Muslims and immigrant populations do what they want and British people being criminalised

Unless you agree with Farage and tice and my right leaning mates that starmer has told the government to do this and they are absolutely treating people like that

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It must be the same as how people are saying it's just bots when videos of other attacks are posted.

Let's face it, the bloke stood there with a sword because he knew he could.

I'm saying there's an obvious difference in the approaches, I don't believe that police suddenly become more under staffed whenever certain people kick off.

There's another video of a group telling the police to go. They don't need them and they will sort it themselves, they went into details about the violence. (Not Birmingham)

Like I said, maybe it's just easier for them to let it go. Less hassle.

maybe- who knows. But I don’t think people are saying ‘all’ the videos are fake, are they, that’s an exaggeration.

Maybe the the plan is to contain, record & arrrest instead of inflaming things further, I don’t know.

This may be a controversial thing to suggest, but is it really such a massive shock anyway? The policing approach would be different for, say, 100 Cov fans mouthing off and 100 Millwall mouthing off. Possibly a bad example but you get my drift. Perhaps they have identified that one approach is less risky for one group than the other.

I just don’t think the hysteria around what is seen as ‘two tier policing’ is connected to being soft on them, that’s all.

 

[Nick]

Tell me why
Give me a reason that isn’t police letting Muslims and immigrant populations do what they want and British people being criminalised

Unless you agree with Farage and tice and my right leaning mates that starmer has told the government to do this and they are absolutely treating people like that

I have no idea why. My guess would be they are shit scared to try and do anything. The same as when the police were too scared previously.

I'm not sure starmer can be blamed, even if his statements haven't really helped. Its not something that's just started.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

A gang of Muslim men did attack a car and a pub though? I'm not sure how you can question it?

Maybe it was far right people dressed up doing it. I'm guessing that way you would accept it.

Its fine, people are obviously shit scared to accept that a Muslim gang could be racist cunts like the white gang of racists are.

All of a sudden people are poirot to try and play it down.

I don’t see where people are ‘playing it down’, it’s horrendous- but understanding the anger and questioning things is not the same thing as being reluctant to call it out as very, very wrong, and very depressing tbf.

 

[Nick]

I don’t see where people are ‘playing it down’, it’s horrendous- but understanding the anger and questioning things is not the same thing as being reluctant to call it out as very, very wrong, and very depressing tbf.

Oh, people are shit scared to call it out.

Its simple, if somebody was to start going into detective mode to play down that guy getting punched for no reason.

"Did he say something to them?"
"This is posted by a bot"
"The person posting this has an agenda"
"I understand why they are angry"

The pitchforks would have been all over the shop.

Let's get it straight, the bloke punching a guy based on the colour of skin was a racist c**t.

When the roles are reversed, it's either radio silence or trying to discredit the content of the videos. You just have to change the person doing the crime and the victim and it's amazing how people change their views. (Oh and this works both ways too).

 

[wingy]

Oh, people are shit scared to call it out.

Its simple, if somebody was to start going into detective mode to play down that guy getting punched for no reason.

"Did he say something to them?"
"This is posted by a bot"
"The person posting this has an agenda"
"I understand why they are angry"

The pitchforks would have been all over the shop.

Let's get it straight, the bloke punching a guy based on the colour of skin was a racist c**t.

When the roles are reversed, it's either radio silence or trying to discredit the content of the videos. You just have to change the person doing the crime and the victim and it's amazing how people change their views. (Oh and this works both ways too).

Is it or is it just that we have been downgraded and now on a level playing Field, I'd wager the latter is playing it's part?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Oh, people are shit scared to call it out.

Its simple, if somebody was to start going into detective mode to play down that guy getting punched for no reason.

"Did he say something to them?"
"This is posted by a bot"
"The person posting this has an agenda"
"I understand why they are angry"

The pitchforks would have been all over the shop.

Let's get it straight, the bloke punching a guy based on the colour of skin was a racist c**t.

When the roles are reversed, it's either radio silence or trying to discredit the content of the videos. You just have to change the person doing the crime and the victim and it's amazing how people change their views. (Oh and this works both ways too).

if you’re on about the guy getting pounced on and battered outside the pub, I would wonder why tonight of all nights he’d front up to them- brass balls, booze or stupidity, but it was no justification to get all of them jumping on him & booting him around like a football, absolutely no issue saying that if they somehow find who did that they need long sentences.

At the same time I can understand why there would be a lot of scrutiny of some of these accounts, seeing as we know that a lot are there purely to whip things up.

I don’t see what the issue is in calling things out but remaining vigilant for stuff that might be untrue, and that goes for both sides.

I saw one earlier where it said something about patriots taking their country back or the usual garbage, and it was footage from the World Cup with a pub windows going through- there is a lot out of dangerous misinformation out there.

 

[Nick]

if you’re on about the guy getting pounced on and battered outside the pub, I would wonder why tonight of all nights he’d front up to them- brass balls, booze or stupidity, but it was no justification to get all of them jumping on him & booting him around like a football, absolutely no issue saying that if they somehow find who did that they need long sentences.

At the same time I can understand why there would be a lot of scrutiny of some of these accounts, seeing as we know that a lot are there purely to whip things up.

I don’t see what the issue is in calling things out but remaining vigilant for stuff that might be untrue, and that goes for both sides.

I saw one earlier where it said something about patriots taking their country back or the usual garbage, and it was footage from the World Cup with a pub windows going through- there is a lot out of dangerous misinformation out there.

Strange though because again nobody was questioning why the black guy fronted up to the c**t who hit him? Why is it always attempted to take the blame away? "Did those in the car say something to them?"

Yeah, dodgy accounts spinning things weren't invented today but strangely people are acting like they were on here and it's a new discovery.



Best get some people to go down to the travel inn and everything is rosey.

Its simple, she would be completely different if it was 5 or 6 white racist cunts jumping on a somebody's head. So would the police and so would posters on here. Rightly so they would be fuming.

The behaviour does a complete u turn.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Strange though because again nobody was questioning why the black guy fronted up to the c**t who hit him? Why is it always attempted to take the blame away? "Did those in the car say something to them?"

Yeah, dodgy accounts spinning things weren't invented today but strangely people are acting like they were on here and it's a new discovery.

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Best get some people to go down to the travel inn and everything is rosey.

Its simple, she would be completely different if it was 5 or 6 white racist cunts jumping on a somebody's head. So would the police and so would posters on here. Rightly so they would be fuming.

The behaviour does a complete u turn.

I’m not taking the blame away though, just suggesting that of all the nights to get brave the guy picked the wrong one. He’s not to blame at all, just very daft (or pissed).

 

[wingy]

Strange though because again nobody was questioning why the black guy fronted up to the c**t who hit him? Why is it always attempted to take the blame away? "Did those in the car say something to them?"

Yeah, dodgy accounts spinning things weren't invented today but strangely people are acting like they were on here and it's a new discovery.

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Best get some people to go down to the travel inn and everything is rosey.

Its simple, she would be completely different if it was 5 or 6 white racist cunts jumping on a somebody's head. So would the police and so would posters on here. Rightly so they would be fuming.

The behaviour does a complete u turn.

Oh well then that's us told?
You know that we know that it's all bollox and we can't elect a perceived socialist Gov't?

 

[Nick]

I’m not taking the blame away though, just suggesting that of all the nights to get brave the guy picked the wrong one. He’s not to blame at all, just very daft (or pissed).

Well yeah, it's playing it down and trying to put blame on him.

Much like if somebody said the guy walking down the street picked the wrong night to get brave when he got hit in the face by a racist c**t.

Its fucking weird and it's exactly the issue people have. Strangely, it's people who usually bang on about their morals and politics.

 

[nicksar]

if you’re on about the guy getting pounced on and battered outside the pub, I would wonder why tonight of all nights he’d front up to them- brass balls, booze or stupidity, but it was no justification to get all of them jumping on him & booting him around like a football, absolutely no issue saying that if they somehow find who did that they need long sentences.

At the same time I can understand why there would be a lot of scrutiny of some of these accounts, seeing as we know that a lot are there purely to whip things up.

I don’t see what the issue is in calling things out but remaining vigilant for stuff that might be untrue, and that goes for both sides.

I saw one earlier where it said something about patriots taking their country back or the usual garbage, and it was footage from the World Cup with a pub windows going through- there is a lot out of dangerous misinformation out there.

Must admit having watched the clip a few times I did wonder why he "fronted up" to them....just stupidity i think.
Doubt the people that knocked him about will be caught,all well covered in face masks etc.

 

[rob9872]

Tbh that's a pretty poor response from Jess Phillips. She must know that was going to cause division after everyone has seen what has happened. A better response would've been to say nothing.

 

[Nick]

Must admit having watched the clip a few times I did wonder why he "fronted up" to them....just stupidity i think.
Doubt the people that knocked him about will be caught,all well covered in face masks etc.

I wonder if the lovely community bloke who went to the pub will give names to the police?

 

[rob9872]

Must admit having watched the clip a few times I did wonder why he "fronted up" to them....just stupidity i think.
Doubt the people that knocked him about will be caught,all well covered in face masks etc.

Did he front them up? I couldn't hear what was said. It could have been to explain that there were no edl in there and that they didn't want trouble but some didn't wait. In fact the guy who hit him then appeared to be the one stopping the others caulking further damage or it could've been much worse.

 

[nicksar]

I wonder if the lovely community bloke who went to the pub will give names to the police?

That will not be happening

 

[wingy]

Tbh that's a pretty poor response from Jess Phillips. She must know that was going to cause division after everyone has seen what has happened. A better response would've been to say nothing.

She did have her enemies during the election though, quite a hostile campaign from memory!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I have no idea why. My guess would be they are shit scared to try and do anything. The same as when the police were too scared previously.

I'm not sure starmer can be blamed, even if his statements haven't really helped. Its not something that's just started.

Thank you that’s a reasonable answer