Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (43 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Tbh that's a pretty poor response from Jess Phillips. She must know that was going to cause division after everyone has seen what has happened. A better response would've been to say nothing.

Looked to me after the one guy punched him he then stopped others piling in
But I think I’m losing the plot

 

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[nicksar]

She did have her enemies during the election though, quite a hostile campaign from memory!

She got terrible abuse whilst trying to make her acceptance speech.

 

[rob9872]

She did her enemies during the election though!

I can't claim to know much about her tbh. What happened there then?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Did he front them up? I couldn't hear what was said. It could have been to explain that there were no edl in there and that they didn't want trouble but some didn't wait. In fact the guy who hit him then appeared to be the one stopping the others caulking further damage or it could've been much worse.

God knows, what I do know is that if I knew there were gangs going around with swords & there had already been attacks on people & I saw them approaching, I wouldn’t be going up to them in a hurry.

And that’s not playing it down, either.

 

[rob9872]

Looked to me after the one guy punched him he then stopped others piling in
But I think I’m losing the plot

That's exactly what I said in other post, not sure how it's related to the one you've quoted though.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That's exactly what I said in other post, not sure how it's related to the one you've quoted though.

True

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Well yeah, it's playing it down and trying to put blame on him.

Much like if somebody said the guy walking down the street picked the wrong night to get brave when he got hit in the face by a racist c**t.

It’s fucking weird and it's exactly the issue people have. Strangely, it's people who usually bang on about their morals and politics.

I literally just said that they should face stiff sentences, how is that putting the blame on him?

 

[rob9872]

God knows, what I do know is that if I knew there were gangs going around with swords & there had already been attacks on people & I saw them approaching, I wouldn’t be going up to them in a hurry.

And that’s not playing it down, either.

Neither would I but it was the assumption he'd gone out to 'confront them' he didn't look ageessive, he had no weapons. I assumed trying to reason on behalf of those who were inside, no doubt scared for their well-being. I did wonder if he might even be the landlord.

 

[wingy]

The new Gazza, just needs some Skol and a fishing rod

Bloody hell, just to do a double take on this post, thought you were were referring to Gaza!!🫣

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Neither would I but it was the assumption he'd gone out to 'confront them' he didn't look ageessive, he had no weapons. I assumed trying to reason on behalf of those who were inside, no doubt scared for their well-being. I did wonder if he might even be the landlord.

Don’t know what he was doing, you can hear the people inside yelling at him to get back in so I assumed he’d gone out to have a word for whatever reason, I don’t see how you’d have reasoned with those blokes though, not tonight. And again, this is not ‘blaming’ him, more an exasperated “what were you thinking”…

 

[Liquid Gold]

Just like the country needs a break I think this thread needs a break.

It's all horrible events but this is just point scoring, trying to trip each other up and trying to prove points. Nobody is getting anywhere and people are just pissing each other off.

The consensus by all right minded people is that violence from any source is wrong and those committing offences should be locked up.

If you have to take it further than that ask yourself why and if it's worth it right now.

Take a breath. Let things settle and discuss when tensions aren't so high.

 

[Nick]

Video of somebody commenting saying they went to the pub to "assert dominance" and then ranting about why they hate the UK.

They were clearly targeting the pub because of alcohol, the stuff about the edl being there is bullshit.

Still, a little mis understanding. Probably a deep fake video by a Russian bot. All made up.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Can you honestly not see the point?

No because you are not making sense and your argument is flawed. Apart from some odd guy with a case/stick like object I didn't see much evidence of 'tools or weapons' but i didnt scrutinisecall the videos lije you did. These guys are worried and sure there are some wronguns in there stirring up shite, but they are not being violent. You clearly don't like it though for some particular reason.
However he EDL and argyle scum in Plymouth tonight wrre completely out of order attacking police and to a lesser extent so were some of the anti-fascist hardcore groups throwing bricks back. Hope it all calms down.

 

[Nick]

Wow, seen a girl hand in hand with her mum walking down the road in Ireland saying a racist slur beginning with p and out.

If my daughter even thought of saying anything like that she wouldn't know what has hit her. Let alone walking down the road with me while she said it.

A lot of people taking their kids to go and watch stuff kicking off. What the fuck? Social services should be there to just take the kids there and then.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Just like the country needs a break I think this thread needs a break.

It's all horrible events but this is just point scoring, trying to trip each other up and trying to prove points. Nobody is getting anywhere and people are just pissing each other off.

The consensus by all right minded people is that violence from any source is wrong and those committing offences should be locked up.

If you have to take it further than that ask yourself why and if it's worth it right now.

Take a breath. Let things settle and discuss when tensions aren't so high.

It's not about point scoring it's about challenging comments and views being driven by racism and hatred yet dressed up in flowery language. Agree that we go round in circles here though but people don't have to engage or read it to be fair.

 

[Nick]

No because you are not making sense and your argument is flawed. Apart from some odd guy with a case/stick like object I didn't see much evidence of 'tools or weapons' but i didnt scrutinisecall the videos lije you did. These guys are worried and sure there are some wronguns in there stirring up shite, but they are not being violent. You clearly don't like it though for some particular reason.
However he EDL and argyle scum in Plymouth tonight wrre completely out of order attacking police and to a lesser extent so were some of the anti-fascist hardcore groups throwing bricks back. Hope it all calms down.

That's the one, just pretend it's all made up and there was no violence and no weapons

Just flat out denial is even stranger.

 

[Otis]

A gang of Muslim men did attack a car and a pub though? I'm not sure how you can question it?

Maybe it was far right people dressed up doing it. I'm guessing that way you would accept it.

Its fine, people are obviously shit scared to accept that a Muslim gang could be racist cunts like the white gang of racists are.

All of a sudden people are poirot to try and play it down.

The police said the other group had left and were no longer there.

So, you're saying then the police lied and it WAS this group the bloke was talking about?

The bloke himself doesn't say this group has done anything. He just says there is a large presence.

If the bloke had actually said he saw this group committing a crime, then fine, you have a point, but he doesn't. He actually said he had been filming. At no point did he say he had evidence, or had filmed, or had seen this group commit a crime.

And the police said the ones that were involved in something were no longer there.

It's very simple. Unless the police are lying.

I am more than happy to be proved wrong, but that headline and summation, does NOT match the video

The headline sums up everything that has happened in the night and seems to try and link the video to the wording.

I have said that any Muslim attacking a white person because of the colour of their skin, is racist.

Doesn't need to be a Poirot to come to the conclusion that the bloke filming hasn't said he has seen, or has any evidence, or filmed anything, the group that were still there, had done

The police say the perpetrators had gone, but the bloke was concerned there was still a large group there.

No evidence they had done anything.

Is there any evidence anywhere that there was just one group of Muslims that were going around committing all the offences, or do we think there might have been a few groups of Muslims committing offences in different places?

Anyway. The wording doesn't match anything this bloke has said in the video. He just seems concerned that there is still a large group hanging about.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

The point being made is that they aren't, even though the national media have shown it.

Thats obvious. Because the police are busy dealing with the risk of rioters elsewhere and protecting mosques, hotels and public buildings.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

That's the one, just pretend it's all made up and there was no violence and no weapons

Just flat out denial is even stranger.

Not denying anything it just I haven't watched videos and caught the short news article on Sky and they didn't zoom in like you did on the media sources you scoured. Nick you are not coming across at all balanced or logical given the totally different context of the groups gathering. One is to attack police and people with black/brown/white skin. The other group is trying to defend their community. Which group has more wrong uns?

 

[Nick]

The police said the other group had left and were no longer there.

So, you're saying then the police lied and it WAS this group the bloke was talking about?

The bloke himself doesn't say this group has done anything. He just says there is a large presence.

You seem to be making stuff up.

If the bloke had actually said he saw this group committing a crime, then fine, you have a point, but he doesn't. He actually said he had been filming. At no point did he say he had evidence, or had filmed, or had seen this group commit a crime.

And the police said the ones that were involved in something were no longer there.

It's very simple. Unless the police are lying.

I am more than happy to be proved wrong, but that headline and summation, does NOT match the video

The headline sums up everything that has happened in the night and seems to try and link the video to the wording.

I have said that any Muslim attacking a white person because of the colour of their skin, is racist.

Doesn't need to be a Poirot to come to the conclusion that the bloke filming hasn't said he has seen, or has any evidence, or filmed anything, the group that were still there, had done

The police say the perpetrators had gone, but the bloke was concerned there was still a large group there.

No evidence they had done anything.

Is there any evidence anywhere that there was just one group of Muslims that were going around committing all the offences, or do we think there might have been a few groups of Muslims committing offences in different places?

Anyway. The wording doesn't match anything this bloke has said in the video. He just seems concerned that there is still a large group hanging about.

Amazing the effort you have gone to to try and make out it's all lies and I'm making things up

I'm talking about how the copper was playing it down. Funny really as that's exactly what people on here want to do, ironically the people who have had most to say over the past few days.

 

[Otis]

Not denying anything it just I haven't watched videos and caught the short news article on Sky and they didn't zoom in like you did on the media sources you scoured. Nick you are not coming across at all balanced or logical given the totally different context of the groups gathering. One is to attack police and people with black/brown/white skin. The other group is trying to defend their community. Which group has more wrong uns?

I would just get the water canons out to anyone under the age of 50.

 

[Nick]

Not denying anything it just I haven't watched videos and caught the short news article on Sky and they didn't zoom in like you did on the media sources you scoured. Nick you are not coming across at all balanced or logical given the totally different context of the groups gathering. One is to attack police and people with black/brown/white skin. The other group is trying to defend their community. Which group has more wrong uns?

So if you haven't seen the videos how can you say I have no argument? I had no need to zoom in on anything.

It really isn't me that has the issue with balance. You are delusional and funnily enough, doing exactly what you are offended by.

 

[Otis]

Amazing the effort you have gone to to try and make out it's all lies and I'm making things up

I'm talking about how the copper was playing it down. Funny really as that's exactly what people on here want to do, ironically the people who have had most to say over the past few days.

He was playing it down, yes.

My guess he didn't have time for the "citizen journalist."

I think I would be laughing too if someone came at me with that

He was a clown, so got short shrift

I do think the police should have hung about though if there was still a large presence there, because something could have then kicked off.

All I am saying is there isn't much at all in the video and it doesn't match what is said above.

All I have tried to do throughout this whole mess is to be balanced.

I am left leaning , but am anti violence, so hate it all. Any violence by anyone. I only believe that people have the right to defend themselves.

I don't think going out on the streets with knives and machetes is defending yourself.

Anyway, both can be true. The Muslim violence AND bots inflaming the situation.

They are not both mutually exclusive

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Follow it through?

Have a look at the difference in police activity.

Christ even some posters on here are trying to write it off as bullshit.



Again. I'm posting the video for the content of it. The guy filming is a wet wipe but the copper seems to be a bit deluded.

Nick. No wonder you are confused you are getting your information from twatter and racist 'journalists'. Come on fella you are better than that surely?

 

[Nick]

He was playing it down, yes.

My guess he didn't have time for the "citizen journalist."

I think I would be laughing too if someone came at me with that

He was a clown, so got short shrift

I do think the police should have hung about though if there was still a large presence there, because something could have then kicked off.

All I am saying is there isn't much at all in the video and it doesn't match what is said above.

All I have tried to do throughout this whole mess is to be balanced.

I am left leaning , but am anti violence, so hate it all. Any violence by anyone. I only believe that people have the right to defend themselves.

I don't think going out on the streets with knives and machetes is defending yourself.

Anyway, both can be true. The Muslim violence AND bots inflaming the situation.

They are not both mutually exclusive

I agree and I do think you're balanced and anti violence on all sides.

Its just the difference of how things are perceived.

Like you said about wording, Charlie is throwing some fairly big tarred brushes around but seemingly no issue with that. People are questioning the legitimacy of videos with Muslims committing violence, if that had happened the videos of other stuff we had seen then there would be hell to pay.

 

[Nick]

Nick. No wonder you are confused you are getting your information from twatter and racist 'journalists'. Come on fella you are better than that surely?

Its ok, you can just deny any violence and no weapons. Then you can randomly start calling people racist for no reason.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

So if you haven't seen the videos how can you say I have no argument? I had no need to zoom in on anything.

It really isn't me that has the issue with balance. You are delusional and funnily enough, doing exactly what you are offended by.

Fcuk sake. I haven't said there are not some crazy dudes in the groups in brum that shouldn't be arrested for possesion of deadly weapons. They may well be arrested. Im just pointing out that you are deliberately over inflating it as it being as bad as the rioters, yet they haven't attacked anyone. Im stating police can't afford to be everywhere and they have prioritised at risk venues.

 

[Nick]

Fcuk sake. I haven't said there are not some crazy dudes in the groups in brum that shouldn't be arrested for possesion of deadly weapons. They may well be arrested. Im just pointing out that you are deliberately over inflating it as it being as bad as the rioters, yet they haven't attacked anyone. Im stating police can't afford to be everywhere and they have prioritised at risk venues.

What the fuck are you on about? Clearly people have been attacked.

I'm guessing they didn't bother in leeds for the same reasons?

 

[Otis]

I agree and I do think you're balanced and anti violence on all sides.

Its just the difference of how things are perceived.

Like you said about wording, Charlie is throwing some fairly big tarred brushes around but seemingly no issue with that. People are questioning the legitimacy of videos with Muslims committing violence, if that had happened the videos of other stuff we had seen then there would be hell to pay.

It's so hard to know what is real anymore.

Anyway, I hope it all calms down, but now Muslims are out on the streets and fighting back, I'm not sure it's going to be any time soon.

I would bring in the army, or use water canons.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

What the fuck are you on about? Clearly people have been attacked.

I'm guessing they didn't bother in leeds for the same reasons?

I am not saying people have or haven't been attacked in Brum ffs. I haven't been reading and searching news or twatter like you since about 9pm. I'll check out the latest news for the reports.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

It's so hard to know what is real anymore.

Anyway, I hope it all calms down, but now Muslims are out on the streets and fighting back, I'm not sure it's going to be any time soon.

I would bring in the army, or use water canons.

My in laws who are very elderly and conservative ( and my father in law has early onset of dementia), said there was an interview on ITV last few dsys with an ex head of MI5/MI6 who said he believed the attack in Southport was instigated by Russia. The world's gone stark raving mad if he said that.... or my in laws could be confused.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

I am not saying people have or haven't been attacked in Brum ffs. I haven't been reading and searching news or twatter like you since about 9pm. I'll check out the latest news for the reports.

Have read the balanced articles and the matter to which you refer and clearly some disorder in Brum, and police have made it clear they will prosecute.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's also downright stupid as it'll allow certain people to skew it and justify what's going on ATM.

I know it's easier said than done, but rope a racist dope is surely the strategy here.

Think I was right. Downright stupid to go out as now some will end up arrested, it'll re-enforce bigots' prejudices, and we'll be even more split than before.

Can you all slow down with your posting please. I can't multitask and I'm struggling to watch tv and keep up with this nonsense.

It's ok for you, I'm dropping in on piss / feeding times and have to make sure I've condemned things before I get in trouble for either not being on the thread or being on it too much.

People, mindless violence is bad. Don't do it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Maybe the solution is put anybody convicted in the same prison, so they can all mindlessly fight each other until it's last man standing.

 

[MalcSB]

Maybe they prefer easier targets?



(Bloke is clearly a pissed up dickhead by the way)

Yes, a pissed up dickhead, but a threat to the riot police? I think not, smashing him twice with a shield was an unnecessary overreaction. Will that copper get suspended and investigated like the Manchester airport one? I doubt it.