MalcSB
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Protecting them under cover of the cloak of invisibility.
Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (60 Viewers)
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duffer
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Which bit do you differ with, exactly?
I'd hate it to be thought that you're just having an incoherent whine at policing and couldn't actually back up your argument.
duffer
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No, no, the police were there, trying to stop the far right dickheads. You were literally banging on just a minute ago about how they were too rough. Remember?
Nick
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That was Brighton wasn't it? (Could be wrong).
MalcSB
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Why wouldn’t they go in to protect property in Hareshill? I simply do not understand that.
As soon as a white, far right, group turns up, the police are there regardless but not when equal numbers of non whites assemble. It just doesn’t seem, well, right for want of a better term.
Cleverer people than me can wrap the reluctance to tackle certain sectors of society in a neat propaganda bundle and find a useful idiot of a newspaper to publish it.
MalcSB
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You see , this is part of the problem. People don’t read through all the posts or reference back to the posts to which people have replied. They won’t to this post either.
My post referred to the guy attacked in the pub in Birmingham, not the Plymouth situation.
duffer
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God knows, they were probably too rough for @MalcSB in all of the places where they tried to control the far right rioters/dancers.
The fact is though, that the police all over the country have been overstretched by the need to try to control and prevent the far right arseholes from violence and destruction. That's obviously going to have an impact everywhere.
MalcSB
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No, they weren’t too rough where they were trying to control far right rioters.
They have been far too soft where it is not the far right.
Boicey
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It might be something to do with an ongoing coordinated campaign of over 50 mass violent incidents over a week, injuring dozens of police, carried out by white chavvy far right groups.
What would you be concentrating on with limited resources at police HQ?
It isn't that difficult is it?
torchomatic
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Yep, a police commander said that with the resources they had in Plymouth last night the situation was "off the scale" with how the police could cope. I presume this is the same all over the country.
There was the security specialist on Sunday saying he was amazed that police turned up with so few officers when the holiday inn in Rotherham was attacked. You could literally see police with their backs against the wall, helplessly looking on as the far right broke windows and tried to set the place on fire with people inside.
MalcSB
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But they are not all in one police area, and so it is one police HQ is it? They are spread all over the country.
There seems to be plenty of police for football matches and for far right gatherings.
No surely not? I seriously doubt the critical thinking skills of someone who believes in chemtrails would reach the wrong conclusion.
Boicey
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Oh come on this is a historically violent situation with quite limited police resources. They are going to prioritise the core issue and that is organised far right violence.
Diogenes
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Let's hope that he is being done for something tangible like actually trying to instigate violence etc rather than a thought crime or else it's not going to help certain perceptions.
Nick
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It was the same in Leeds, before it all kicked off though?
You can see why people think it.
duffer
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Hareshill: This is literally the verbatim response of the Police Officer with thirty years experience of public order:
"The circumstances in Harehills were very different. “It started out looking like a standard call that many officers will go to, an incident at an address with social services trying to remove children,” said Wettone. “And then it blew up with officers coming under attack. And because of how quickly it escalated, withdrawal is the best tactic.”
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it propaganda.
As for useful idiot newspapers, just a stab in the dark this, but do you perhaps read one owned by billionaires? And do you believe everything in it is factual and unbiased?
Perennial Lurker
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We're all aware that the huge police presence in Plymouth wasn't just for the far right but also for the Antifa?
They were trying to keep the two groups separate and that's where the trouble occured
They were trying to keep the two groups separate and that's where the trouble occured
duffer
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Not quite with you mate. Is that the Hareshill thing again, you mean?
David O'Day
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Strangely it doesn't seem to have been the "antifa" trying to breach police lines.
Nick
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But I thought the far right were turning up in Birmingham? The police even told the other blokes they were.
Would have been fucked if they did turn up though?
It makes you wonder if anybody did actually think the far right were going to be there....
Boicey
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Whatabout diversion Nick.
Yawn.
Nick
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It's amazing how people just want to ignore particular things isn't it? Must be amazing living in bubbles.
Boicey
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Wild diversion. Lolz
Perennial Lurker
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I was just making sure everyone was aware as some of the posting is bizarre
duffer
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Anyway, without getting pulled back into this today, is that what would be helpful would be the police in Birmingham explaining why they were so low profile.
I don't believe two tier policing is really a thing. When you're substantially outmanned, the job is always going to be to contain rather than inflame, as much as possible. But the optics are terrible and it needs some kind of explanation.
Probably whatever is said won't satisfy the far right nutters, but you don't want to tip more people into some kind of dark, racist, conspiracy-theory.
I don't believe two tier policing is really a thing. When you're substantially outmanned, the job is always going to be to contain rather than inflame, as much as possible. But the optics are terrible and it needs some kind of explanation.
Probably whatever is said won't satisfy the far right nutters, but you don't want to tip more people into some kind of dark, racist, conspiracy-theory.
torchomatic
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Boicey
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The core issue is organised mass far right violence.
Try concentrating on that.
Whatabout diversion is so transparent.
Perennial Lurker
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I'm struggling now
You keep bringing this up over and over obsessively
The police helped stop the majority of the fuckwits on both sides and did their jobs
What happened in Birmingham was equally as abhorrent and unforgivable
torchomatic
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Lawyers offices being targeted? WTF?
Nick
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Mainly because of the nonsense posted about as to why the police weren't there.
"Maybe they are on their way"
"They were busy controlling far right people"
What Im saying is, why wasn't there a heavy police presence if they were actually expecting far right cunts to turn up?
Make it make sense.
Perennial Lurker
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I have no idea about Birmingham and what happened. Reports suggesting it was an online rumour . Whatever it is wrong
Doesn't make what the police did in Plymouth wrong does it ?
duffer
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And the problem is, the police have to take all of those threats seriously, and allocate resources.
Then if some knob posts something about attacking a mosque, there's the reaction from the other side to try to cover too.
It's a nightmare for the police, I still think getting a lid on social media is perhaps key to getting this under control.
Nick
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Are you trying to be ironic?
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