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[wingy]

I’m in Copenhagen at the moment and had pretty much this conversation with some locals last night (yes alcohol was involved!) talking about how quality of life seems so much better here than at home.

One of the locals said we’re obsessed with never ending growth, the stock market etc, they just want to be happy and have a nice life. He said we live to work, they work to live. Doubt that’s his own line but seems very true.

Was near some office blocks today at about 4:45 and they were emptying out, by 5 they were closed off. People were sitting by the canal having beers, or even diving in which you def wouldn’t do at home.

It’s coming up for 8:45 now and a lot of people are still out having a good time. Zero hint of any trouble either.

When I come to places like this it just makes me think we’re got it very very wrong at home

Well we have really mate!

 

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[wingy]

Well we have really mate!

You can get a more motivated worker by being a bit less on them from my perspective!

 

[shmmeee]

 

[shmmeee]

I’m in Copenhagen at the moment and had pretty much this conversation with some locals last night (yes alcohol was involved!) talking about how quality of life seems so much better here than at home.

One of the locals said we’re obsessed with never ending growth, the stock market etc, they just want to be happy and have a nice life. He said we live to work, they work to live. Doubt that’s his own line but seems very true.

Was near some office blocks today at about 4:45 and they were emptying out, by 5 they were closed off. People were sitting by the canal having beers, or even diving in which you def wouldn’t do at home.

It’s coming up for 8:45 now and a lot of people are still out having a good time. Zero hint of any trouble either.

When I come to places like this it just makes me think we’re got it very very wrong at home

We don’t have either. We have EU prosperity and US public realm/services.

And the democratic mandate is clearly closer to the European ideal than the American. So we need to pay for it ^

 

[wingy]

It doesn't take account indirect tax though does it?

 

[MalcSB]

Why not indeed? Yes it’s legal to enter a country by any means when seeking asylum.

If boat people are legal asylum seekers, perhaps they should come through the proper channels rather than over the English one.

I suppose then they would then have to produce their “papers”, increasing the probability that their applications would be refused.

 

[shmmeee]

If boat people are legal asylum seekers, perhaps they should come through the proper channels rather than over the English one.

I suppose then they would then have to produce their “papers”, increasing the probability that their applications would be refused.

What proper channels are those?

 

[MalcSB]

What proper channels are those?

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9630/

 

[shmmeee]

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9630/

 

[MalcSB]

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So they are illegal immigrants then.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So they are illegal immigrants then.

Suppose they are just immigrants until a legal decision has been made

 

[shmmeee]

So they are illegal immigrants then.

No. They are within their rights to enter the country however they see fit if they’re claiming asylum.

 

[SBAndy]

So they are illegal immigrants then.

I don’t know how I’ve resisted saying you’re thick for so long, but here goes…

You’re thick.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Starmer doing the same thing his Tory equivalents did and announcing a fairly meaningless 'trade deal' with Germany

 

[Sick Boy]

Starmer doing the same thing his Tory equivalents did and announcing a fairly meaningless 'trade deal' with Germany

I was under the impression it was all a cunning plan to win the election?

 

[MalcSB]

I don’t know how I’ve resisted saying you’re thick for so long, but here goes…

You’re thick.

But not as thick as those who believed Labour’s pre election promises.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Interesting thread.



Like I think we've said before, massive majority but on a knife edge

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But not as thick as those who believed Labour’s pre election promises.

I don’t think anybody did but the Tories simply had to be removed from office.

 

[shmmeee]

Starmer doing the same thing his Tory equivalents did and announcing a fairly meaningless 'trade deal' with Germany

How can you do a trade deal with an EU member?

 

[fernandopartridge]

How can you do a trade deal with an EU member?

Indeed

 

[MalcSB]

I don’t think anybody did but the Tories simply had to be removed from office.

Does anybody believe him now? Perhaps thats why his approval rating has sunk so far, so quickly. The fact he has the charisma and oratory skills of a freshly cut cauliflower doesn’t help. Couple with what seems like a pretty short temper when challenged - “I don’t need lecturing by you“ seems a recurring phrase.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Does anybody believe him now? Perhaps thats why his approval rating has sunk so far, so quickly. The fact he has the charisma and oratory skills of a freshly cut cauliflower doesn’t help. Couple with what seems like a pretty short temper when challenged - “I don’t need lecturing by you“ seems a recurring phrase.

His approval rating has sunk because he’s a Labour PM governing like newly elected David Cameron

 

[CCFCSteve]

His approval rating has sunk because he’s a Labour PM governing like newly elected David Cameron

Come on BSB, im not sure Cameron would’ve cut pensioners benefits and offered unconditional deals to a couple of unions as his opening salvo

Not passing opinion on either but no chance does that happen

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Does anybody believe him now? Perhaps thats why his approval rating has sunk so far, so quickly. The fact he has the charisma and oratory skills of a freshly cut cauliflower doesn’t help. Couple with what seems like a pretty short temper when challenged - “I don’t need lecturing by you“ seems a recurring phrase.

I suspect the two tier Kier stuff has a big part in it as well. I wholeheartedly agree the Tories had to go, but I don't see anyone can stand here and say Labour have started strongly. They seem to be pissing off just about everyone.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Come on BSB, im not sure Cameron would’ve cut pensioners benefits and offered unconditional deals to a couple of unions as his opening salvo

Not passing opinion on either but no chance does that happen

I’m being facetious, but Cameron took pleasure in taking a knife to public services and used ‘it’s worse than we thought’ as an excuse.

Giving public sector workers their first decent pay award in 14 years is an odd criticism given that their pay has fallen by much more in real terms in that time.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I’m being facetious, but Cameron took pleasure in taking a knife to public services and used ‘it’s worse than we thought’ as an excuse.

Giving public sector workers their first decent pay award in 14 years is an odd criticism given that their pay has fallen by much more in real terms in that time.

I said I wasn’t passing comment on either but was just saying it’s not something Cameron would’ve done

I have said previously though that I don’t have an issue with the amount so much as the unconditionality of the agreements. A big error in my book and will lead to issues. I don’t think train drivers pay has fallen in real terms over the past 14 years either

I do agree that it’s out of Cameron’s playbook, blaming the last lot for tough decisions

 

[shmmeee]

I suspect the two tier Kier stuff has a big part in it as well. I wholeheartedly agree the Tories had to go, but I don't see anyone can stand here and say Labour have started strongly. They seem to be pissing off just about everyone.

For someone who likes to come on this thread and rant about it being a leftie bubble you live in an absolute alternate reality. GB News isn’t real life.

 

[shmmeee]

I said I wasn’t passing comment on either but was just saying it’s not something Cameron would’ve done

I have said previously though that I don’t have an issue with the amount so much as the unconditionality of the agreements. A big error in my book and will lead to issues. I don’t think train drivers pay has fallen in real terms over the past 14 years either

I do agree that it’s out of Cameron’s playbook, blaming the last lot for tough decisions

I just got a pay rise without so much as an email let alone a change in my working conditions and expectations Steve. Do you want my employers email to complain to them about how they’re ruining the economy?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

For someone who likes to come on this thread and rant about it being a leftie bubble you live in an absolute alternate reality. GB News isn’t real life.

You've just demonstrated with that post that you are the one living in an alternate reality.

What part of my post is wrong?

 

[shmmeee]

You've just demonstrated with that post that you are the one living in an alternate reality.

What part of my post is wrong?

You think Starmers response to the riots wasn’t popular.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I just got a pay rise without so much as an email let alone a change in my working conditions and expectations Steve. Do you want my employers email to complain to them about how they’re ruining the economy?

Where did I mention ruining the economy ?

Someone from BMA basically indicated they might just strike next year instead though. This is after striking on the lead up to the election when nobody could agree anything with them anyway (a scummy move in my book).

Collective agreements are also very different to individual pay awards. In the private sector it wouldn’t be unreasonable to agree objectives/goals for an individual and if these were met then they’d warrant pay rises, promotions etc the following year. you could argue these are a different form of conditionality

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You think Starmers response to the riots wasn’t popular.

That isn't what I said at all. He can be hard on some people which most agree is fair enough, but has ignored other more awkward topics that has had an effect on most people outside of the reddit bubbles you seemingly live in.

 

[chiefdave]

In the private sector it wouldn’t be unreasonable to agree objectives/goals for an individual and if these were met then they’d warrant pay rises, promotions etc the following year. you could argue these are a different form of conditionality

I’ve worked at numerous private companies and not once have they tried to link productivity or any other objectives to inflationary pay rises.

I did work at one place where they decided to more closely monitor how much work people were doing as a means to push them to do more. Within 6 months over 50% of the staff had quit and the company was on the verge of collapse. Ended up being taken over on the cheap by a rivial.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Where did I mention ruining the economy ?

Someone from BMA basically indicated they might just strike next year instead though. This is after striking on the lead up to the election when nobody could agree anything with them anyway (a scummy move in my book).

Collective agreements are also very different to individual pay awards. In the private sector it wouldn’t be unreasonable to agree objectives/goals for an individual and if these were met then they’d warrant pay rises, promotions etc the following year. you could argue these are a different form of conditionality

Collective bargaining is how these nasty unions get the better terms and conditions their members otherwise would not get. Labour didn’t give any of the unions the pay awards they actually wanted FYI-but it did end the strikes.

 

[shmmeee]

That isn't what I said at all. He can be hard on some people which most agree is fair enough, but has ignored other more awkward topics that has had an effect on most people outside of the reddit bubbles you seemingly live in.

LOL Reddit. Is it 2014?

Mate i get rhat fornyou and your mates brown people existing is the most pressing concern in the country. But most people just aren’t that bothered by a Palestinian or BLM march. This is exclusive to GB News and the Mail, 20% of the population max.