Xg table (7 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn't someone post a stat last season ,when this was discussed for the eleventy billionth time , that less then 2% of corners result in goals across all 4 divisions

Yeah, I was more interested in the stats regarding bringing everyone back vs leaving players up.

 

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[Perennial Lurker]

Yeah, I was more interested in the stats regarding bringing everyone back vs leaving players up.

Well seeing as that's what pretty much all teams do these days I would imagine the stat is pretty much the same .
There seems to be a silly idea that we are the only team to do it but every team I've seen us play this season do the same .
Only thing that annoys me is other teams seem to transition a lot quicker than we do currently from defending a set piece

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well seeing as that's what pretty much all teams do these days I would imagine the stat is pretty much the same .
There seems to be a silly idea that we are the only team to do it but every team I've seen is play this season do the same .
Only thing that annoys me is other teams seem to transition a lot quicker than we do currently from defending a set piece

I don’t think anyone’s said we’re the only team doing it. Just a modern ‘meta’ that I don’t like and don’t really agree with.

However, whatever the benefits of it are, we must clearly be doing it wrong as we’re unconvincing on the corners and really bad at breaking away if we do win the ball in.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

I don’t think anyone’s said we’re the only team doing it. Just a modern ‘meta’ that I don’t like and don’t really agree with.

However, whatever the benefits of it are, we must clearly be doing it wrong as we’re unconvincing on the corners and really bad at breaking away if we do win the ball in.

Totally agree, we've played teams like Oxford at home who transitioned very quickly and looked dangerous doing it

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I don’t think anyone’s said we’re the only team doing it. Just a modern ‘meta’ that I don’t like and don’t really agree with.

However, whatever the benefits of it are, we must clearly be doing it wrong as we’re unconvincing on the corners and really bad at breaking away if we do win the ball in.

Yep. We seem to set up wrong to pick up the second balls. If we are bringing people back some at least need to be patrolling the edge of the area. We just seem to stay in the box waiting for the ball to come back in. And if we do win it no-one busts a gut to get up the field.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Tell us why then?

Ain't nothin' but a quick break.
Ain't nothin' but a mistake.

 

[Evo1883]

 

[Cally Fedora]

Our problem is the Xg against us.

 

[Evo1883]

Our problem is the Xg against us.

That's not particularly bad tbh

 

[Cally Fedora]

That's not particularly bad tbh

My perception is we’re quite sieve like

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I think 5 games is too soon to be looking at xG tbh. Can be completely thrown off by one good or one bad game.

 

[shmmeee]

I think 5 games is too soon to be looking at xG tbh. Can be completely thrown off by one good or one bad game.

I wonder what it is if you remove the first half v Watford and the second vs Oxford.

 

[Evo1883]

The xg table is fine as it's showing all 24 teams .. be it 5 or 20 games won't matter

 

[SBAndy]

I wonder what it is if you remove the first half v Watford and the second vs Oxford.

Just gone off data I can access but if you stripped them out and then brought back up to 5 games on an ‘average’ basis we’d be 10th. XG of 4.13 vs XGA of 3.18.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Just gone off data I can access but if you stripped them out and then brought back up to 5 games on an ‘average’ basis we’d be 10th. XG of 4.13 vs XGA of 3.18.

What would the numbers look like if we stripped out the Stoke first half or Bristol second half?

This is rhetorical because there’s no good manipulating the data to wipe out by far our two strongest half performances.

To be 10th despite wiping that out shows that the performances aren’t as bad as people think as a whole. Things will pick up!

 

[SBAndy]

What would the numbers look like if we stripped out the Stoke first half or Bristol second half?

This is rhetorical because there’s no good manipulating the data to wipe out by far our two strongest half performances.

To be 10th despite wiping that out shows that the performances aren’t as bad as people think as a whole. Things will pick up!

Tend to agree. It works on the assumption that no other team has had ‘outlier’ halves.

 

[Hincha]

I’m a big xg advocate but not after 5 games. We’ve yet to play a side who are favourites to be in the top 6 at the end of the season.

The next international break is when data will begin to take shape.

 

[shmmeee]

What would the numbers look like if we stripped out the Stoke first half or Bristol second half?

This is rhetorical because there’s no good manipulating the data to wipe out by far our two strongest half performances.

To be 10th despite wiping that out shows that the performances aren’t as bad as people think as a whole. Things will pick up!

It was more “those were two very high xG performance and not representative of our start, so how bad is the bit people are moaning at?” Agree 10th isn’t bad, but it’s not particularly good either (data caveats accepted)

 

[Evo1883]

Good job our overall open play XG is 4th and not 10th then

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It was more “those were two very high xG performance and not representative of our start, so how bad is the bit people are moaning at?” Agree 10th isn’t bad, but it’s not particularly good either (data caveats accepted)

That’s 10th compared to all the other teams without the same adjustments i.e. removing their 2 best xG halves. By the sounds of it, that adjustment means we’re comparing Cov’s 4 games versus everyone else’s 5 games. The data manipulation means the 2 best indicators of performance have been removed.

On a side note, I think the Oxford 2nd half has a similar xG to Oxford 1st half.

 

[Evo1883]

That’s 10th compared to all the other teams without the same adjustments i.e. removing their 2 best xG halves. By the sounds of it, that adjustment means we’re comparing Cov’s 4 games versus everyone else’s 5 games. The data manipulation means the 2 best indicators of performance have been removed.

On a side note, I think the Oxford 2nd half has a similar xG to Oxford 1st half.

First half 1.13 second half 1.83

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

First half 1.13 second half 1.83

Checks out to me, their keeper made 2-3 top draw saves and Haji Wright’s winner alone would be at least 0.4 to 0.6 xG - about the same as a penalty.

Our performances, whilst they haven’t been where they need to be, haven’t been as bad as some have made out. In my view, we’ll be rewarded with some good results in the coming weeks.

 

[fernandopartridge]

My perception is we’re quite sieve like

Not at all

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just gone off data I can access but if you stripped them out and then brought back up to 5 games on an ‘average’ basis we’d be 10th. XG of 4.13 vs XGA of 3.18.

Then the sample size is so small it’s even more meaningless than it already is. It probably isn’t controversial to say we’ve underperformed what we expected but it’s just 5 games at the start of the season.

 

[shmmeee]

That’s 10th compared to all the other teams without the same adjustments i.e. removing their 2 best xG halves. By the sounds of it, that adjustment means we’re comparing Cov’s 4 games versus everyone else’s 5 games. The data manipulation means the 2 best indicators of performance have been removed.

On a side note, I think the Oxford 2nd half has a similar xG to Oxford 1st half.

Well removing them was the point. I was curious of their impact.

 

[shmmeee]

Not at all

I think as well we’ve moved from a system that protects the keeper and defends in numbers to something more expansive. When we had Wilson in goal we had a ridiculously low xGA.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Well removing them was the point. I was curious of their impact.

I understood the point perfectly. What I’m pointing out is that the quality of the data is poor and not v useful. I’m sure most teams around us would have similar drop offs if we did the same exercise to each of the 23 other teams. So the table would be mostly unchanged.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Not at all

Why not? All the clean sheets?

 

[Robinshio]

We won on xg again tonight. Means nothing

 

[Evo1883]

We won on xg again tonight. Means nothing

Actually it means that we are creating good chances.

Which means something

 

[Evo1883]

Yes last season showed similar, we should be scoring goals basically .. players like simms have to start stepping up

People don't like xg tables but they show a clear underperforming of the players infront of goal

Ironically , the xgA table shows we are conceding somewhat crappy goals too

We are the leagues joint 5th highest scorers but slightly underperforming our XG .

However , 6 goals in the last 2 games show that we are very capable of creating and scoring good chances , get it right at the back and it's 22/23 all over again

 

[clint van damme]

We are the leagues joint 5th highest scorers but slightly underperforming our XG .

However , 6 goals in the last 2 games show that we are very capable of creating and scoring good chances , get it right at the back and it's 22/23 all over again

I still think part of the getting it right at the back includes getting it right in midfield
I can't quite out my finger on it but there's definitely a vulnerability there

 

[shmmeee]

I still think part of the getting it right at the back includes getting it right in midfield
I can't quite out my finger on it but there's definitely a vulnerability there

We’re still played through too easily for me, if we don’t win the press the ball is by our area.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Actually it means that we are creating good chances.

Which means something

It’s only the armchair managers who seem to disregard xG.

All xG is a barometer of performance. When people were calling for Robins to be sacked, the underlying data showed our performances weren’t as bad as the league table showed.

The last 2 performances have shown that and you take Haji’s disallowed goal v PNE (I mention this because it should’ve stood) out… Our form could’ve looked a lot better from the false dawn v Blackburn.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s only the armchair managers who seem to disregard xG.

All xG is a barometer of performance. When people were calling for Robins to be sacked, the underlying data showed our performances weren’t as bad as the league table showed.

The last 2 performances have shown that and you take Haji’s disallowed goal v PNE (I mention this because it should’ve stood) out… Our form could’ve looked a lot better from the false dawn v Blackburn.

Perhaps, although that Sheffield W performance was God awful.