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[shmmeee]

We have not addressed it at all, we have outsourced it.

And despite outsourcing it per capita emissions in the place we’ve outsourced it to are still below the US.

 

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[Nick]

I mean what Nick said which was that working class people wouldn’t take a freebie if offered at work.

You’re talking about someone you’ve given millions of pounds of business to and likening it to a party donor donating to the party. Come on you’re brighter than this.

Funnily enough in some of my jobs I havent been allowed to take freebies.

One job, they got donated to the Christmas Charity raffle as prizes.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Trade Union: Here's some money, get something nice
Starmer: Im in power now, here's a massive over the top pay rise for your members to say thanks for the clothes

Not like you to jump in despite huge ignorance Nick but you might want to look at the foundation of the Labour party and its links with the trade unions

 

[fernandopartridge]

Anyway, how does this work:

Stressing that there was a “prize” ahead if the fiscal situation could be improved, Reeves insisted there would be no return to austerity – but also refused to rule out some government departments facing real-terms cuts.

 

[Marty]

Change happens quickly. We aren’t relying on government so much to get their act together, tech is taking care of energy and I fully expect CO2 scrubbing to be next, probably nuclear powered. Population issues are easing. Developing nations performing better than we expected.

I’m positive. Everyone thought London would be swimming in horse shit until the car was invented. I think places like India China and Africa will leapfrog the west and go straight to clean decentralised power and transport.

I guess that's trying to remove co2 from the atmosphere? Need to remember that plants grow best at about 1200-1500 parts per million, and a lot of plant life is essentially on life support with the current co2 levels at about 250-300ppm.

 

[wingy]

I guess that's trying to remove co2 from the atmosphere? Need to remember that plants grow best at about 1200-1500 parts per million, and a lot of plant life is essentially on life support with the current co2 levels at about 250-300ppm.

Fake factory food seems the answer to this or tablets)

 

[MalcSB]

We have not addressed it at all, we have outsourced it.

Not all of it.

 

[MalcSB]

Sorry this is closed thinking they do it so we don't have to?

Absofuckinglutely.
UK achieving net zero actually achieves fuck all. The US, China, India would make an enormous difference.

 

[MalcSB]

Not in one place. I was where you are when I was hanging about with XR, but I think a lot of their concerns are overblown and my experience was they’re unrealistic and want to return to medieval times basically (a common issue in green circles).

Just watching solar and nuclear prices and what’s happening with EVs gives me hope. Along with the population stats. Things are turning in the right direction I feel. A few years ago with Trump in power destroying the US’s efforts and tech seemingly coming in too late things looked a lot worse. I think Harris will win and continue Biden excellent work. China I think will be fine, I’ve always thought that TBF. India is a bit of a worry but like Africa I expect that to be taken out of the hands of the politicians.

People don’t seem to want EVs and manufacturers are abandoning their targets with, well, abandon. Used EV prices falling off a cliff, insurance really high, hugely insufficient infrastructure, there will be huge issues with multi-storey car parks given EV weight.

I like the idea of EVs and got close to buying one, but really glad I didn’t. I may end up getting away with never owning one.

 

[MalcSB]

Fake factory food seems the answer to this or tablets)

Yummy. That should do our cancers a lot of good.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Fantastic, should see some huge reductions in global CO2 then without the UK needing to incur huge costs.

Totally agree about the shift in production.

I think this is one reason why a lot of people don’t like boomers. They seem to be incapable of taking a world view, or ceasing to be ‘service to self’. It’s very much “I’m all right Jack, not my problem” whatever the topic or discussion.

 

[Grendel]

I think this is one reason why a lot of people don’t like boomers. They seem to be incapable of taking a world view, or ceasing to be ‘service to self’. It’s very much “I’m all right Jack, not my problem” whatever the topic or discussion.

The Prime Minister certainly displays that view

 

[Ian1779]

Don't they expect the world’s population to hit about 10 billion before it dramatically drops?

Around that value, but not sure it dramatically drops.
Where those 10 billion people live though, well that’s quite another story.

 

[MalcSB]

I think this is one reason why a lot of people don’t like boomers. They seem to be incapable of taking a world view, or ceasing to be ‘service to self’. It’s very much “I’m all right Jack, not my problem” whatever the topic or discussion.

Isn’t encouraging and celebrating major polluting countries sterling efforts taking a world view?

I’ve also taken a world view, in that UK net zero will have zero net impact on CO2 levels comoared with , say, the US, China and India.

 

[MalcSB]

EU demand for electric cars 'on a continual downward trajectory'

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[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

A heckler protests when Rachel Reeves is speaking forcibly manhandled out.Only to be told by her "This is a changed Labour party that represents the working people not a party of protest"
Come the budget we will see what the working man gets out of it .

 

[MalcSB]

A heckler protests when Rachel Reeves is speaking forcibly manhandled out.Only to be told by her "This is a changed Labour party that represents the working people not a party of protest"
Come the budget we will see what the working man gets out of it .

They don’t need lectures from the likes of us.

Arrogant bastards.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Isn’t encouraging and celebrating major polluting countries sterling efforts taking a world view?

I’ve also taken a world view, in that UK net zero will have zero net impact on CO2 levels comoared with , say, the US, China and India.

oh, and assuming that age is the same as wisdom, which it patently is not.

 

[MalcSB]

oh, and assuming that age is the same as wisdom, which it patently is not.

Patently

 

[shmmeee]

I guess that's trying to remove co2 from the atmosphere? Need to remember that plants grow best at about 1200-1500 parts per million, and a lot of plant life is essentially on life support with the current co2 levels at about 250-300ppm.

Hmmm.

And how to they cope with a 3 degree average temperature rise?

 

[shmmeee]

Isn’t encouraging and celebrating major polluting countries sterling efforts taking a world view?

I’ve also taken a world view, in that UK net zero will have zero net impact on CO2 levels comoared with , say, the US, China and India.

More people live outside those countries than in them. If just those three reduced emissions and no one else then we would have a serious problem.

It’s a global issue. Finger pointing is just childish.

It’s a moot point anyway. The tech is there, it’s happening, no matter how many Daily Mail readers grumble about it.

 

[MalcSB]

More people live outside those countries than in them. If just those three reduced emissions and no one else then we would have a serious problem.

It’s a global issue. Finger pointing is just childish.

It’s a moot point anyway. The tech is there, it’s happening, no matter how many Daily Mail readers grumble about it.

Even if those three achieved the target of net zero?

Aren’t there a number of countries where the costs are starting to cause some unease and opposition amongst the populace. Of course, it’s going to save us all £300 on our annual fuel bills in the UK so it will be welcomed with open arms here, even by Daily Mail readers.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The Prime Minister certainly displays that view

so you agree, surprisingly honest.

 

[Grendel]

so you agree, surprisingly honest.

Perhaps you should ask certain people - well one - on here who is of a younger generation and denies that eating meat impacts climate change - one of the biggest voices is the biggest denier when it impacts him filling his face with factory ingested shite

 

[shmmeee]

Even if those three achieved the target of net zero?

Aren’t there a number of countries where the costs are starting to cause some unease and opposition amongst the populace. Of course, it’s going to save us all £300 on our annual fuel bills in the UK so it will be welcomed with open arms here, even by Daily Mail readers.

The costs are trending down all the time. Same as EVs. The wheels are in motion (no pun) and normal technological advancement will do the rest.

Our energy costs are mostly down to reliance on gas and Truss getting rid of the reserves.

Even if you remove carbon costs, renewables are the cheapest form of generation.



And we are comparing a proven technology with cutting edge ones with billions being poured into research.

Places with strong residential solar like California are already seeing almost zero grid dependence at noon:



Next up is to shift that out as the sun sets, which means battery storage. Luckily that is consistently outperforming our predictions on cost there as well:




Solid state batteries will eventually fall to lithium prices and enable EVs that beat the range of ICE with not much more fuelling time. Meanwhile EV costs are dropping and number of the road growing rapidly, 60% of new registrations in China were EVs last year.



We’re at the point of western governments talking about putting tariffs on EVs because they’re too cheap. 2027 is the latest projection of when they will be cheaper to build than ICE cars. Even without laws banning them electric cars will win out and once petrol isn’t as profitable the supporting services will disappear hastening its demise.

This is before you get to advancements in nuclear, most of the cost of which is regulatory. And the advancements in consumer electronics. When I was a kid you had to worry about turning the lights off, that’s basically a solved problem now because LEDs are so cheap. I’m about to buy a tumble dryer that uses a third of the electricity of a standard one. My 65 inch TV uses about half the energy of the 32 inch one I had 20 years ago.

We are fast transitioning to a world where data centres and factories run off small modular reactors (or full plants in the case of Microsoft and Three Mile Island), residential and offices run from solar and battery and cars act like off grid storage.

Energy and transport is basically solved if current trends continue, and we keep beating trends.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Anyway, how does this work:

A Tory friend of mine who has voted for the party his whole life, and who often said he wants ‘people like him’ to be banned from immigrating here, has now declared his switch to Labour.

Why? Because he fully supports cutting the WFP and thinks ‘Rachel Reeves has done her sums and I trust her’. Mission accomplished?

 

[fernandopartridge]

A Tory friend of mine who has voted for the party his whole life, and who often said he wants ‘people like him’ to be banned from immigrating here, has now declared his switch to Labour.

Why? Because he fully supports cutting the WFP and thinks ‘Rachel Reeves has done her sums and I trust her’. Mission accomplished?

They've made no secret that your friend is the type of voter they're coveting. Sensible household budgeting for sensible people.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They've made no secret that your friend is the type of voter they're coveting. Sensible household budgeting for sensible people.

They’ll win people like him and lose basically everyone else. Currently polling worse than they were under Jezza at his worst.

 

[Nick]

If this pay per mile tax comes in. Will fuel prices go down?

Another way to try and hit normal people.

 

[MalcSB]

If this pay per mile tax comes in. Will fuel prices go down?

Another way to try and hit normal people.

No

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Perhaps you should ask certain people - well one - on here who is of a younger generation and denies that eating meat impacts climate change - one of the biggest voices is the biggest denier when it impacts him filling his face with factory ingested shite

I don’t disagree with any of what you say, although I have no clue who you are referring to.

 

[fernandopartridge]

If this pay per mile tax comes in. Will fuel prices go down?

Another way to try and hit normal people.

Not hitting normal people is it? Why should I pay the same amount as somebody who does 5 X as many miles as me?

 

[Nick]

Not hitting normal people is it? Why should I pay the same amount as somebody who does 5 X as many miles as me?

They will be paying much more in fuel taxes anyway won't they?

Plenty of normal people need to drive a fair bit.

 

[Marty]

Hmmm.

And how to they cope with a 3 degree average temperature rise?

Within the UK (probably most of Europe too), you would expect longer growing seasons and bigger harvests.

 

[fernandopartridge]

How can you somehow be more punchable than any of the Tory cabinet members that have preceded you?