Leeds Rent (5 Viewers)

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
Your an idiot Grendel and have no idea what your talking about !!!!
I have just looked up on line what hull fc pay.
They pay 100k ground rent.
They also pay half of gate receipts over 7500.
Also they have to pay half of corporate lounges and bars.

Wish sisu puppets on here would stop spouting fucking rubbish unless they can back up their arguments with facts and figures !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
Yep Leeds fans think it is a scam but can't prove it

It's very likely that Bates owns Elland Road (but will deny it) and is using club funds to make improvements which will in turn increase it's value. In the meantime, the club is forced to pay extortional rent for the use of Elland Road
It's also very likely that Bates owns Thorp Arch, which was purchased for £6m. The club is also forced to pay extortional rent for the use of it.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
Your an idiot Grendel and have no idea what your talking about !!!!
I have just looked up on line what hull fc pay.
They pay 100k ground rent.
They also pay half of gate receipts over 7500.
Also they have to pay half of corporate lounges and bars.

Wish sisu puppets on here would stop spouting fucking rubbish unless they can back up their arguments with facts and figures !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said they pay a nominal rent -- £100K is a nominal rent and signifcantly less than the £1.3 million we pay.

Also what does your analysis reveal about Ipswich and also Doncaster?

Hull by the way had this arrangement in the Premier League.

Makes our rent look shameful doesn't it?
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
So looking at these complex rental arrangements clubs have there is always add ons.
Costs still have to be paid for.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
So looking at these complex rental arrangements clubs have there is always add ons.
Costs still have to be paid for.

Ah now they are "complex" as you now realise we are being well and truly screwed by the Council and ACL.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
Ah now they are "complex" as you now realise we are being well and truly screwed by the Council and ACL.

If you add up what Hull are paying its at least double what we do. How can that make what we get a rip off. The ricoh is a far better stadium.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
If you add up what Hull are paying its at least double what we do. How can that make what we get a rip off. The ricoh is a far better stadium.

I think old chap you are missing the point.

The set up is there to protect the club in troubled times. It is an unusual arrangement and was initially mentioned by SBT. Actually I believe the rent is significantly less than £100,000 but let's assume you are correct.

With an average gate of 10,000 a year we would be paying a maximum of £300,000 under the agreement as it stands - probably with VAT exemption around £240,000. Hull also are allowed matchday catering revenue.

What about Ipswich and Doncaster? What do you think about their arrangements?

Have you looked at Brighton's payment structure? When you have report back and convince me we are not being ripped off.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
If you add up what Hull are paying its at least double what we do. How can that make what we get a rip off. The ricoh is a far better stadium.

Brittania is a nice stadium isn't it. Owned by the club, the council and a regeneration PLC.

Stoke bought the others out....for £6 million (or 5 years rent in our world).
 

Black6Osprey

New Member
i doubt very much these are the true figures.
Because these amounts wouldnt even cover light, heat and staff.

Those figures mentioned are correct. Ipswich have had an 8 year non payment situation because the council wanted to increase the rent from £15k to £115k per year. Was finally agreed at £30k.

The Hull figure is also widely available and is a sore point with some in Hull as the council rent library space at the ground for about £85k per year (If I remember correctly) and they own it so the local residents arent happy as the club have only contributed £5k in the last 12 months.

There are lots of strange ground rent deals out there, either very high or next to nothing. It all depends on what deals were done at the time, mortgages etc. The one issue I keep coming back to is if we contribute 17% of ACL income we should only pay a similar percentage of the mortgage. Why should we carry the can for the majority of it?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
Your an idiot Grendel and have no idea what your talking about !!!!
I have just looked up on line what hull fc pay.
They pay 100k ground rent.
They also pay half of gate receipts over 7500.
Also they have to pay half of corporate lounges and bars.

Wish sisu puppets on here would stop spouting fucking rubbish unless they can back up their arguments with facts and figures !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you get the information. Seems contradicted by this;

COUNCIL which spent £46m on building a prestigious sports stadium received a zero return in lease payments last year despite huge spending on players’ wages by the football club using the ground.

The 50-year lease Hull Council agreed with a private company to run the KC Stadium has previously been revealed to have delivered little in return to the taxpayer – but in the last completed financial year it delivered nothing at all.

The council acknowledged it was “disappointed” with the latest figures.

Opening the site to wider development would give the council the opportunity to increase returns but the authority’s Labour leader, Steve Brady, said a fresh approach to local businessman Assem Allam, who owns both Hull City and the company that runs the stadium, over redevelopment had been rebuffed.

Last year, Mr Allam announced multi-million pound plans to redevelop the area around the stadium through the creation of a sports village, including a range of new sporting facilities. He insisted then that ownership of the stadium was a prerequisite and Coun Brady said the businessman’s position remained the same.

The council leader said regeneration of the area remained a priority but the authority preferred a joint venture and retaining ownership of the stadium. He also said any change in ownership would have to go to a local referendum.

Coun Brady said: “We own the land and we still want to be involved in regeneration of the site to protect our interests.”

But Mr Allam said the relationship with the council was broken and said he remained angry with comments attributed to him by the council last year when talks over redevelopment of the site came to an abrupt halt.

He added: “I said at the time the matter was closed and that remains the case.”

Minimal returns on the huge public outlay have been compounded by the council agreeing to rent offices at the stadium for £72,500 a year – meaning taxpayers are effectively subsidising the home of Hull City football club and Hull FC rugby league club. At the same time, players’ wages at Hull City have run into tens of thousands of pounds per week.

In total, the council has received just £47,846 in lease payments since the stadium opened in 2002 but paid close to £600,000 to rent office space in its own stadium.

The council said it now plans to exercise a break clause in the rental agreement and expects to vacate the offices later this year.

Hull Council leases the stadium to the Superstadium Management Company (SMC), owned by Mr Allam. Under the deal, payment to the council is based on a small percentage of any annual profits made by the SMC. The company’s income includes rent from both Hull City and Hull FC but profits have declined since the stadium opened in 2002.

And in the SMC’s last accounting year, which ended in July 2011, the company made no profit at all, which left Hull Council with no return from the lease.

The council is bound by the terms of the 50-year lease, which was found to be legally watertight when it looked at the possibility of extricating itself two years ago.

A council spokeswoman said: “The contract between the council and the SMC was drawn up in a different financial climate and Hull’s sporting profile was much lower. Though disappointing there has not been anything in terms of profit share for the latest financial period, in the current economic climate it was unlikely to see an improvement.

“However, in reaching its objectives and raising the city’s profile the stadium continues to provide benefits to the city in terms economic regeneration.”

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That is just unacceptable
 

Black6Osprey

New Member
Where did you get the information. Seems contradicted by this;

COUNCIL which spent £46m on building a prestigious sports stadium received a zero return in lease payments last year despite huge spending on players’ wages by the football club using the ground.

The 50-year lease Hull Council agreed with a private company to run the KC Stadium has previously been revealed to have delivered little in return to the taxpayer – but in the last completed financial year it delivered nothing at all.

The council acknowledged it was “disappointed” with the latest figures.

Opening the site to wider development would give the council the opportunity to increase returns but the authority’s Labour leader, Steve Brady, said a fresh approach to local businessman Assem Allam, who owns both Hull City and the company that runs the stadium, over redevelopment had been rebuffed.

Last year, Mr Allam announced multi-million pound plans to redevelop the area around the stadium through the creation of a sports village, including a range of new sporting facilities. He insisted then that ownership of the stadium was a prerequisite and Coun Brady said the businessman’s position remained the same.

The council leader said regeneration of the area remained a priority but the authority preferred a joint venture and retaining ownership of the stadium. He also said any change in ownership would have to go to a local referendum.

Coun Brady said: “We own the land and we still want to be involved in regeneration of the site to protect our interests.”

But Mr Allam said the relationship with the council was broken and said he remained angry with comments attributed to him by the council last year when talks over redevelopment of the site came to an abrupt halt.

He added: “I said at the time the matter was closed and that remains the case.”

Minimal returns on the huge public outlay have been compounded by the council agreeing to rent offices at the stadium for £72,500 a year – meaning taxpayers are effectively subsidising the home of Hull City football club and Hull FC rugby league club. At the same time, players’ wages at Hull City have run into tens of thousands of pounds per week.

In total, the council has received just £47,846 in lease payments since the stadium opened in 2002 but paid close to £600,000 to rent office space in its own stadium.

The council said it now plans to exercise a break clause in the rental agreement and expects to vacate the offices later this year.

Hull Council leases the stadium to the Superstadium Management Company (SMC), owned by Mr Allam. Under the deal, payment to the council is based on a small percentage of any annual profits made by the SMC. The company’s income includes rent from both Hull City and Hull FC but profits have declined since the stadium opened in 2002.

And in the SMC’s last accounting year, which ended in July 2011, the company made no profit at all, which left Hull Council with no return from the lease.

The council is bound by the terms of the 50-year lease, which was found to be legally watertight when it looked at the possibility of extricating itself two years ago.

A council spokeswoman said: “The contract between the council and the SMC was drawn up in a different financial climate and Hull’s sporting profile was much lower. Though disappointing there has not been anything in terms of profit share for the latest financial period, in the current economic climate it was unlikely to see an improvement.

“However, in reaching its objectives and raising the city’s profile the stadium continues to provide benefits to the city in terms economic regeneration.”

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That is just unacceptable

This is my understanding they have only payed approx £5k per year since it was opened. I think it is supposed to be more like £500k but they for whatever reason haven't been paying it.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
This is my understanding they have only payed approx £5k per year since it was opened. I think it is supposed to be more like £500k but they for whatever reason haven't been paying it.

Looks like Hull Council can't afford to be in their own stadium?

Maybe they'll move to Grimsby?

Or Rushden!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
I'm sticking up for my club and if that makes me a "SISU Puppet" then so be it. At least I don't want my own team to go out of business. Pathetic little comment.

Wish sisu puppets on here would stop spouting fucking rubbish unless they can back up their arguments with facts and figures !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
Neither do the figures quoted for us. The rental figures being talked about are on top of match day costs.

Our match day costs are also in addition to the rental figure.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
errr match day costs would be there if you owned the freehold, rented, leased, temporarily hired, mortgaged, otherwise had use of any stadium.............. every club pays them and as such the continued reference to them only serves to cloud the rental debate..... which of course is the intention. Any football club that owns its own stadium or is tenant is responsible for the costs of power, match day insurance, health safety, staff costs to provide their corporate hospitality etc that it uses, which are the costs being charged to CCFC by ACL as "match day costs". Put simply it aint the rent, has nothing to do with the rent payment ...... and would still be there even if we owned the Ricoh (just not paid to ACL)
 
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scroobiustom

New Member
I heard on the radio when up in The People's Republic of Leeds, The fans own the pitch, the council the car park and an external company the stands.
 

SkyBlueCharlie

Well-Known Member
Where did you get the information. Seems contradicted by this;

COUNCIL which spent £46m on building a prestigious sports stadium received a zero return in lease payments last year despite huge spending on players’ wages by the football club using the ground.

The 50-year lease Hull Council agreed with a private company to run the KC Stadium has previously been revealed to have delivered little in return to the taxpayer – but in the last completed financial year it delivered nothing at all.

The council acknowledged it was “disappointed” with the latest figures.

Opening the site to wider development would give the council the opportunity to increase returns but the authority’s Labour leader, Steve Brady, said a fresh approach to local businessman Assem Allam, who owns both Hull City and the company that runs the stadium, over redevelopment had been rebuffed.

Last year, Mr Allam announced multi-million pound plans to redevelop the area around the stadium through the creation of a sports village, including a range of new sporting facilities. He insisted then that ownership of the stadium was a prerequisite and Coun Brady said the businessman’s position remained the same.

The council leader said regeneration of the area remained a priority but the authority preferred a joint venture and retaining ownership of the stadium. He also said any change in ownership would have to go to a local referendum.

Coun Brady said: “We own the land and we still want to be involved in regeneration of the site to protect our interests.”

But Mr Allam said the relationship with the council was broken and said he remained angry with comments attributed to him by the council last year when talks over redevelopment of the site came to an abrupt halt.

He added: “I said at the time the matter was closed and that remains the case.”

Minimal returns on the huge public outlay have been compounded by the council agreeing to rent offices at the stadium for £72,500 a year – meaning taxpayers are effectively subsidising the home of Hull City football club and Hull FC rugby league club. At the same time, players’ wages at Hull City have run into tens of thousands of pounds per week.

In total, the council has received just £47,846 in lease payments since the stadium opened in 2002 but paid close to £600,000 to rent office space in its own stadium.

The council said it now plans to exercise a break clause in the rental agreement and expects to vacate the offices later this year.

Hull Council leases the stadium to the Superstadium Management Company (SMC), owned by Mr Allam. Under the deal, payment to the council is based on a small percentage of any annual profits made by the SMC. The company’s income includes rent from both Hull City and Hull FC but profits have declined since the stadium opened in 2002.

And in the SMC’s last accounting year, which ended in July 2011, the company made no profit at all, which left Hull Council with no return from the lease.

The council is bound by the terms of the 50-year lease, which was found to be legally watertight when it looked at the possibility of extricating itself two years ago.

A council spokeswoman said: “The contract between the council and the SMC was drawn up in a different financial climate and Hull’s sporting profile was much lower. Though disappointing there has not been anything in terms of profit share for the latest financial period, in the current economic climate it was unlikely to see an improvement.

“However, in reaching its objectives and raising the city’s profile the stadium continues to provide benefits to the city in terms economic regeneration.”

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That is just unacceptable

It's sounds as if Hull City Council is being well and truely screwed by the football club, something that Coventry City Council is trying to prevent here. It's not just the rent that is the issue here, SISU will only be satisfied when they have their greedy little mitts on the whole lot.
 

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